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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:03:41 AM EDT
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b5 LMT stock is best stock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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you need a smaller more Capitalistic stock on that stick............ b5 LMT stock is best stock Fixed it for you. 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:08:12 AM EDT
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Then how did these slimy hands get on it? http://i68.tinypic.com/2wqxus7.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/9tg0tt.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Then how did these slimy hands get on it? http://i68.tinypic.com/2wqxus7.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/9tg0tt.jpg Is this an MP7 thread now? 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:09:35 AM EDT
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I think you are looking for an FN P90.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:13:02 AM EDT
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Damn Fed workers in here with their MP7's.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:17:59 AM EDT
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I think you are looking for an FN P90. Depends on if you want it suppressed and/or concealed. P90 is a good gun, but it's much harder to conceal, and will fucking suffocate you suppressed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:23:09 AM EDT
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Or you could buy a Tavor and have a 16" barrel an SBR sized package.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:25:16 AM EDT
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SMH at teener OP who can't afford a nice gun so extolls the virtues of a novelty AK that exactly ZERO forces around the world use, yet shits on the most prolific and ubiquitous special forces configuration around the world. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9fJh5OjKE0/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have something that's less than 14.5", then you're basically carrying a cancer patient in the form of a gun. It's an anemic, key-holing safe filler that you'll occasionally take out to show your friends so that you can feel better about spending $200 on a tax stamp for an ineffective weapon. Or you'll just have Shockwave on it; in that case, you'll feel bad for spending ~$50. Here's some objective information regarding your velocity: You are super smart. Would you please get a hold of all of the manufactures that offer weapons in less than a 14.5"? Also, please get a class together so you can teach the police, SWAT, and spec ops that use short barreled weapons. Your knowledge and experience would be a great asset in the training community. I'll be back in a few. Need to go find a new upper for my Colt work gun. SMH at teener OP who can't afford a nice gun so extolls the virtues of a novelty AK that exactly ZERO forces around the world use, yet shits on the most prolific and ubiquitous special forces configuration around the world. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9fJh5OjKE0/maxresdefault.jpg Woah woah woah... -SBR's in 5.56 with EOTechs and GI Mags?! -Woodland Camo?!! -MICH Helmets?!!! -1911s.......19GODDAMN11s?!!!!!! Clearly these guys don't know shit. Tier 3 at best. OP would rock their world in the killhouse with his Soviet perfection. Ya'll don't even realize!
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:29:49 AM EDT
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Meh.
For my 5.56 rifles I load the 62 gr Barnes Tipped TSX and get 2950 fps out of my 14.5" and 2680 fps out of my 10.5" -- For my 300 BLK I get 2230 fps out of an 8" barrel with the Barnes black tips. For my 14.5" barreled 458 socom I get 2100 fps with hornady 250 gr GMX and 1875 with barnes 300 gr TTSX. I'm comfortable with any of the above if needed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:32:02 AM EDT
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Rather have an m92 PAP.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:33:41 AM EDT
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Depends on if you want it suppressed and/or concealed. P90 is a good gun, but it's much harder to conceal, and will fucking suffocate you suppressed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you are looking for an FN P90. Depends on if you want it suppressed and/or concealed. P90 is a good gun, but it's much harder to conceal, and will fucking suffocate you suppressed. Yep, application dependent is really what it comes down to. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:36:17 AM EDT
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http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/joliandthai/20151127_205524_zpsmfmcwcme.jpg OP, what is that hand guard on their? SLR 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:37:47 AM EDT
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Op I kinda want one but I don't understand how it is better than an ak under folder. As far as I can tell it is just 10" shorter. What the overall length folded?
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:43:52 AM EDT
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seriously, what's with the taylor swift stuff?
he said avoiding 7.62x39 as always |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:47:49 AM EDT
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lol @ the people saying than a short bbl AK isn't effective. Same guy prolly owns a 308 and talks shit at the range how he could kill a terrorist at 500m or 1000m with it. What's the fps on that bullet at 500/1000 again? Yeah. A short AK is perfectly acceptable as a pdw where you're engaging at very close ranges. Much more effective than any pcc and I see no evidence that it's less effective than a 556 either.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:55:25 AM EDT
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Mini Draco used indoors= instant hearing loss I believe most calibers fall into that category. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:06:16 AM EDT
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The MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Serious? Very. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:06:42 AM EDT
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Rather have an m92 PAP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:07:34 AM EDT
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lol @ the people saying than a short bbl AK isn't effective. Same guy prolly owns a 308 and talks shit at the range how he could kill a terrorist at 500m or 1000m with it. What's the fps on that bullet at 500/1000 again? Yeah. A short AK is perfectly acceptable as a pdw where you're engaging at very close ranges. Much more effective than any pcc and I see no evidence that it's less effective than a 556 either. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile like 1,100fps baby |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:10:24 AM EDT
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Really no more MP7 and T swizzle huh?
Naked taylor with two mp7s please |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:13:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: seriously, what's with the taylor swift stuff? he said avoiding 7.62x39 as always I think that the Polaroid-looking pictures were included with her most recent album. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:16:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol @ the people saying than a short bbl AK isn't effective. Same guy prolly owns a 308 and talks shit at the range how he could kill a terrorist at 500m or 1000m with it. What's the fps on that bullet at 500/1000 again? Yeah. A short AK is perfectly acceptable as a pdw where you're engaging at very close ranges. Much more effective than any pcc and I see no evidence that it's less effective than a 556 either. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:22:08 AM EDT
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SMH at teener OP who can't afford a nice gun so extolls the virtues of a novelty AK that exactly ZERO forces around the world use, yet shits on the most prolific and ubiquitous special forces configuration around the world. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9fJh5OjKE0/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have something that's less than 14.5", then you're basically carrying a cancer patient in the form of a gun. It's an anemic, key-holing safe filler that you'll occasionally take out to show your friends so that you can feel better about spending $200 on a tax stamp for an ineffective weapon. Or you'll just have Shockwave on it; in that case, you'll feel bad for spending ~$50. Here's some objective information regarding your velocity: You are super smart. Would you please get a hold of all of the manufactures that offer weapons in less than a 14.5"? Also, please get a class together so you can teach the police, SWAT, and spec ops that use short barreled weapons. Your knowledge and experience would be a great asset in the training community. I'll be back in a few. Need to go find a new upper for my Colt work gun. SMH at teener OP who can't afford a nice gun so extolls the virtues of a novelty AK that exactly ZERO forces around the world use, yet shits on the most prolific and ubiquitous special forces configuration around the world. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9fJh5OjKE0/maxresdefault.jpg 10" AR > everything else. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:25:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:31:26 AM EDT
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this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rather have an m92 PAP. this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore lol, if by "nobody" you mean YOU, I agree completely. Yugo > Romanian. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:45:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe ~2300 FPS that AK round is moving at will be cut substantially more than the 5.56 round will be as a percentage of the total velocity as the barrel length is decreased. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:50:50 AM EDT
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Thread needs more short barrel 54R.............. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/43/38/28/4338282aff60dab8a4661ead08ab2e09.jpg I involuntarily winced and cupped my right shoulder just looking at that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:57:39 AM EDT
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The Micro Draco isn't, because it's a heaping pile of shit. .223/5.56 sucks dick when it comes from a 7.5"-11.5" because it never has a chance for velocity. It never even has its gun. As the proud owner of 6 Colt 6920s with no furniture or trigger time and numerous AR-15s that have been liquidated for medical bills, I can say that I'm a proponent of the .223/5.56. They all have 16.1" barrels, though, which means that they're actually useful. If you have something that's less than 14.5", then you're basically carrying a cancer patient in the form of a gun. It's an anemic, key-holing safe filler that you'll occasionally take out to show your friends so that you can feel better about spending $200 on a tax stamp for an ineffective weapon. Or you'll just have Shockwave on it; in that case, you'll feel bad for spending ~$50. Here's some objective information regarding your velocity: http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f41/Mazer18/velocity.jpg Notice how it excludes oddball lengths like 7.5"; that's because they're not even worth time on a chrono. http://www.operator7airsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/larry-vickers.jpg But the Mini Draco, even in a non-NFA registered configuration, offers a compact PDW in a time proven design. Also, your weapon will actually work when it's equipped with a side folding stock. http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/joliandthai/20151127_205524_zpsmfmcwcme.jpg Notice the velocity numbers from the Draco (which is slightly longer, but we'll lie and say that the Micro Draco has the same numbers. Energy has also been excluded from this chart because you already know that it's pretty high, so we don't need numbers: http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/pogi_pogi_pogi/762x39Velocities1.png Since 7.62x39 isn't as dependent on velocity as .223/5.56, the Micro Draco has a formidable advantage over similarly sized weapons. At a street price of $499-599, it offers an immense amount of value, fun, time, commitment, joy, compact, and wholehearted goodness that you won't find in any other platform. A) good luck finding one at the moment. B) 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, if by "nobody" you mean YOU, I agree completely. Yugo > Romanian. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rather have an m92 PAP. this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore lol, if by "nobody" you mean YOU, I agree completely. Yugo > Romanian. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yugo master race |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:29:53 AM EDT
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I have an actual PDW for PDW work.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:40:00 AM EDT
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lol @ the people saying than a short bbl AK isn't effective. Same guy prolly owns a 308 and talks shit at the range how he could kill a terrorist at 500m or 1000m with it. What's the fps on that bullet at 500/1000 again? Yeah. A short AK is perfectly acceptable as a pdw where you're engaging at very close ranges. Much more effective than any pcc and I see no evidence that it's less effective than a 556 either. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you trying to prove that you didn't read every post in the thread? 'cause that's how you prove you didn't read every post in the thread. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:51:34 AM EDT
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I involuntarily winced and cupped my right shoulder just looking at that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thread needs more short barrel 54R.............. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/43/38/28/4338282aff60dab8a4661ead08ab2e09.jpg I involuntarily winced and cupped my right shoulder just looking at that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Did someone in this country make that? Or is it some fever dream of some ex communist? I'm leaning towards the latter. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:52:53 AM EDT
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you need a smaller more Capitalistic stock on that stick............ Quote HistoryQuoted:
you need a smaller more Capitalistic stock on that stick............ Smaller I can understand. The lwrc ones look really noice, but.... How is B5 stock not capitalistic comrade? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:56:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did someone in this country make that? Or is it some fever dream of some ex communist? I'm leaning towards the latter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thread needs more short barrel 54R.............. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/43/38/28/4338282aff60dab8a4661ead08ab2e09.jpg I involuntarily winced and cupped my right shoulder just looking at that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Did someone in this country make that? Or is it some fever dream of some ex communist? I'm leaning towards the latter. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:59:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10" AR > everything else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you have something that's less than 14.5", then you're basically carrying a cancer patient in the form of a gun. It's an anemic, key-holing safe filler that you'll occasionally take out to show your friends so that you can feel better about spending $200 on a tax stamp for an ineffective weapon. Or you'll just have Shockwave on it; in that case, you'll feel bad for spending ~$50. Here's some objective information regarding your velocity: You are super smart. Would you please get a hold of all of the manufactures that offer weapons in less than a 14.5"? Also, please get a class together so you can teach the police, SWAT, and spec ops that use short barreled weapons. Your knowledge and experience would be a great asset in the training community. I'll be back in a few. Need to go find a new upper for my Colt work gun. SMH at teener OP who can't afford a nice gun so extolls the virtues of a novelty AK that exactly ZERO forces around the world use, yet shits on the most prolific and ubiquitous special forces configuration around the world. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9fJh5OjKE0/maxresdefault.jpg 10" AR > everything else. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:06:05 AM EDT
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http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/joliandthai/20151127_205524_zpsmfmcwcme.jpg OP, what is that hand guard on their? SLR |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:07:06 AM EDT
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this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rather have an m92 PAP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Except the M92 PAP has a longer sight radius and doesn't have the piece of shit rear sight of the Draco. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:10:27 AM EDT
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Except the M92 PAP has a longer sight radius and doesn't have the piece of shit rear sight of the Draco. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rather have an m92 PAP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Except the M92 PAP has a longer sight radius and doesn't have the piece of shit rear sight of the Draco. nice chrome lined barrel on the m92 oh wait |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:11:19 AM EDT
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I shoot 62 gr wolf out of my 10.5'' and 11.5''. Don't care about expansion blah blah blah - stand in front of it at 300 yards and lmk how it fares for ya. Step your game up to 75 gr TULA "hollow point".
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:14:10 AM EDT
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The MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Put your hands together for Jerry Tsai ladies and Gentlemen! Dont forget to tip your bartenders and servers..... |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:14:21 AM EDT
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fucking gross, thanks for ruining my breakfast op!
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I believe it. Fackler did a lot of testing and concluded that, even when it yaws, x39 is kind of a shitty cart. If I had to choose my opponents rifle for a gunfight... AK vs AR... I'd want him to have an AK every single time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have yet to see normal 7.62x39 expand, even from longer barrels. I've seen keyhole injuries, and some that are decades old that look just like a keyhole in paper. Crazy. It's one of the most survivable rifle cartridge injuries in the world because of projectile construction and lack of speed on impact. The BCs are so bad, by the time it's on target even at closer ranges common in contact, it doesn't do much other than penetrate and perforate through and through. The data in the OP about short barrels is false, especially for 11.5". 11.5" 5.56 velocity is impressive. 10.5" with Brown tip will smoke your bags. So will M855A1 from 10.5" guns. I believe it. Fackler did a lot of testing and concluded that, even when it yaws, x39 is kind of a shitty cart. If I had to choose my opponents rifle for a gunfight... AK vs AR... I'd want him to have an AK every single time. Thanks for saying this more elegantly than my planned "I'd rather be shot by any of that x39 shit than by fusion or gold dot out of any of those 5.56 sbr's"
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:15:52 AM EDT
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you need a smaller more Capitalistic stock on that stick............ b5 stock is best stock LWRCI UCIW is best stock. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:17:06 AM EDT
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nice chrome lined barrel on the m92 oh wait Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rather have an m92 PAP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Except the M92 PAP has a longer sight radius and doesn't have the piece of shit rear sight of the Draco. nice chrome lined barrel on the m92 oh wait How deep is your stack of corrosive 7.62x39? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:23:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How deep is your stack of corrosive 7.62x39? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this gun was nothing more than a filler for when dracos weren't being imported after it happened, nobody gave a shit about them anymore Except the M92 PAP has a longer sight radius and doesn't have the piece of shit rear sight of the Draco. nice chrome lined barrel on the m92 oh wait How deep is your stack of corrosive 7.62x39? Unless the barrel is CHF, chrome lined, and barrel swabbed with Costa cum, it's not even good enough to give away. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:25:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNo thats an over priced anemic pos! Instead of wastebasket gun we call this one Shit in a shoebox 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:26:00 AM EDT
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How deep is your stack of corrosive 7.62x39? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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nice chrome lined barrel on the m92 oh wait How deep is your stack of corrosive 7.62x39? ...and do you know how Simple Green works?
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:27:24 AM EDT
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Am I the only person who has shot a MP7A1 and just wasn't impressed with it?
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:34:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAre those Taylor Swift stalker photos? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:36:56 AM EDT
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Are those Taylor Swift stalker photos? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Are those Taylor Swift stalker photos? Why do so many people seem to have a problem with these pictures? 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:37:47 AM EDT
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Are those Taylor Swift stalker photos? Why do so many people seem to have a problem with these pictures? The aspie crowd sees something that does not belong, and that's all they concentrate on... |
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