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Posted: 6/15/2003 7:04:58 AM EDT

A "Different Political Correctness"???

An e-mail I recieved. There was a time when I would have laughed about it.

Think about the UnConstitutional Patriot Act I and II. Think about the
anti-terrorism laws that trash our Bill of Rights and of the judges that
uphold the UnConstitutional laws "anti-terrorism" laws. Think about the
SO-CALLED War on Drugs. Think about how Americans are under attack by
their own government via these anti-terrorism laws.Think about TV and Radio
constantly trying to indoctrinate you via public messages on Politically
Correct thinking ie: "Tolerance", "Correct Diversity views" etc. Think about
the Liberal Nazis' attack on tobacco and smokers and the manner in which the
lawmaking Nazis have created laws to protect you from yourself - and have
thus, taken away your freedom of choice and freedom to make your own
mistakes in life and learn from them.

Think about how America is rapidly becoming like the old oppressive and
tyrannical U.S.S.R. of the Cold War era.

Les

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Arsenal Uncovered
Suspect Linked to Extremist Movement

by Winston Smith

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Los Angeles - A joint task force of federal agents and state police
raided the home of a Santa Monica man Saturday, uncovering an arsenal
of illegal books and other media.

"It's astounding," said Police Chief John Lynch at a press conference
Tuesday. "I've never seen so many books in my life. It was a virtual
library."

Chief Lynch described a entire room filled wall to wall with books
and magazines. In one room officers discovered a computer, printer
and thousands of pages of printing paper. The discovery of the
computer-printer setup prompted evacuation of the neighborhood while
EOD teams rendered the device inactive.

Officers and federal agents stood in front of stacks of seized books
and magazines at Tuesday's press conference. A leather bound 1400
page copy of War and Peace was the centerpiece of the exhibit. Among
the books on display were military field manuals and books on
military history.

"These military-style books are instruments of war, plain and
simple," said Special Agent Gregory Kahn. "They have no recreational
purpose. "[red]They have no legitimate civilian use.[/red]"

"We're still counting them - we have no idea how many books we're
dealing with," said Detective-Sergeant Gary Knowles, another member
of the task force. "I'm just glad we got them off the street. Nobody
needs that many books. It's scary the kind of stuff people have in
their homes."

On Monday, agents wearing space-age HAZMAT suits were still removing
books from the house. Asked what would become of the contraband,
Agent Kahn stated that it would be destroyed in a specially built
incinerator.

The suspect, 43 year old John Benjamin, is being held without bail
pending charges. His arraignment is scheduled for next month.

Neighbors and co-workers described a quiet, polite man.

"I'd never suspect him of something like this," said community
resident Charles Lamb. "He was always so nice. This is a complete
shock."

Sources close to the investigation tell the Times that Benjamin has
been linked to the controversial National Reading Association, an
extremist group which encourages private possession of literature.
The ACLU believes that the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
guarantees the right to read and print literature. The Times was
unable to obtain a copy of the Constitution for this article, but is
submitting a Freedom of Information Act request to access the
document.

Terrorism expert and author Brian Simmons told the Times that groups
such as the ACLU are magnets for disturbed individuals like Benjamin.

"This interpretation of the Constitution is very common among the
political fringes," said Mr. Simmons. "But history just isn't on
their side. The First Amendment was intended to protect the right of
major newspapers and libraries. It's absurd to think that they [the
framers] would have wanted private possession of word processing
software and home printers."

Book collectors like Benjamin, Simmons said, suffer from a deep
rooted psychological neurosis which drives them to stockpile books.

"Who needs this many books? He couldn't possibly read them all.
People like Mr. Benjamin do it because they feel inadequate. Reading
makes them feel smarter, and publishing their thoughts makes them
feel important."

Raids of this type have sparked a nationwide debate over the millions
unregistered books possessed illegally in the U.S. Under U.S. law,
only deactivated and replica books are available to the general
public, though in some places they are legal for retired librarians
and journalists. Until last year, books printed before 1986 could
still be legally possessed by someone willing to submit to a
background check and pay a $200 per book, per year tax.

One of Benjamin's neighbors, retired army Colonel Vince Scott,
questioned the wisdom of book prohibition.

"When I was a kid, everyone owned a book, most people more than one,"
said Scott. "There were book stores on every corner. You could even
go to a library and they'd give you a book."

Judy Bliss, spokesman for the D.C.-based non profit lobbying group
Think of the Children, issued a press release following news of the
raid.

"It's appalling that these kinds of unlicensed, unregistered books
are still on our streets," said Mrs. Bliss, speaking from her
limousine. "Books have incited revolutions, led people to depression
and suicide, murder, all kinds of horrible things. Take Romeo and
Juliet for example. That play was definitively linked to teen
suicide. Or take Machiavilli's The Prince, a treatise about political
ruthlessness that has been on the nightstands of tyrants around the world.
No civilized society allows untrained civilians to possess and use books
like these. This 'book culture' needs to be stamped out."

Citizens wishing to report illicit book possession are encouraged to
call the federal hotline at 1-888-ISNITCH.

(Ok folks relax its just SATIRE! However Fahrenheit 451 doesn't sound so
farfetched now, does it? Thanks to John T. at www.mythofsisyphus.net who
found this posted on the LPI-Discuss board by El Presidente David Hughes.
-- Frodo)

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Posted: 6/15/2003 7:10:16 AM EDT

[#1]

Sounds like a book I read titled "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury. A classic book with a bleak vision of the future. Unfortunetly this fiction is becoming reality.

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:12:12 AM EDT

[#2]

dude....in 50 years it will be illegal to be fat.....

-HS

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:13:10 AM EDT

[#3]

A character from '1984' writing a news story about an event in 'F451'? Nice twist.

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:18:31 AM EDT

[#4]

First, you get mail from someone named "Frodo"? [;d]

Second, the irony of all this is that in my *public school* education, "Farenheit 451" was class reading, as was "1984", "Animal Farm", "The Red Badge of Courage", and "All Quiet on the Western Front" - just to name a few that immediately come to mind.

Thanks for reminding me about these great books!

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:33:22 AM EDT

[#5]

I even remember watching the movie(1984) in class in junior high school(back in 1972 or so). Seemed to remember that we wondered if it would really be like that in 1984.

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:34:11 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
dude....in 50 years it will be illegal to be fat.....

-HS

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[LOLabove]. . . [:|]

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:35:50 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
First, you get mail from someone named "Frodo"? [;d]

Second, the irony of all this is that in my *public school* education, "Farenheit 451" was class reading, as was "1984", "Animal Farm", "The Red Badge of Courage", and "All Quiet on the Western Front" - just to name a few that immediately come to mind.

Thanks for reminding me about these great books!

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i remember reading a news link some time ago about "animal farm" being put on as a play in China

go figure

Posted: 6/15/2003 7:53:17 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
First, you get mail from someone named "Frodo"? [;d]

Second, the irony of all this is that in my *public school* education, "Farenheit 451" was class reading, as was "1984", "Animal Farm", "The Red Badge of Courage", and "All Quiet on the Western Front" - just to name a few that immediately come to mind.

Thanks for reminding me about these great books!

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And now for some more irony- All these book were at one time or another and even now may still be banned books someplace in this country.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

Posted: 6/15/2003 8:27:41 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
First, you get mail from someone named "Frodo"? [;d]

Second, the irony of all this is that in my *public school* education, "Farenheit 451" was class reading, as was "1984", "Animal Farm", "The Red Badge of Courage", and "All Quiet on the Western Front" - just to name a few that immediately come to mind.

Thanks for reminding me about these great books!

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And now for some more irony- All these book were at one time or another and even now may still be banned books someplace in this country.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

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Sadly, [b]this quote[/b] is too true:

"There is no such thing as an underestimate of average intelligence." (Henry Adams)

Posted: 6/15/2003 8:43:43 AM EDT

[#10]

illegal books

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whats a illegal book.

"These military-style books are instruments of war, plain and
simple," said Special Agent Gregory Kahn. "They have no recreational
purpose. "They have no legitimate civilian use."

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your all fu*ked now
[wow]
[nuts]

Posted: 6/15/2003 9:12:47 AM EDT

[#11]

Posted: 6/15/2003 10:00:01 AM EDT

[#12]

At least 5 of those were required reading when I was in school. I graduated in 94.

Posted: 6/15/2003 10:13:22 AM EDT

[#13]

Man - we listened to James and the Giant Peach in second grade. I don't remember much about it - does anyone have the faintest idea why it would earn a place on the banned book list?

Some of these classics are definitely not suited for your average third grader, but the parents should know that and provide access at an appropriate age.

Edited to say that at least 10 of these books were included throughout my public education as required reading. I graduated HS in 99

Posted: 6/15/2003 10:13:52 AM EDT

[#14]

God forbid it ever come to that!!

Posted: 6/15/2003 10:24:39 AM EDT

[#15]

Why are you people so resistant to giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight terrorism? Just the other week john ashcroft, the most pro-gun attorney general in history and nra member, asked for epansion of the patriot act so the government can give us freedom from fear in this great democracy. There is absolutely nothing to worry about as these laws will ONLY be used against non-citizens. It is time that you all realize that this is no longer the 18th century with the entrance of a new era, calls for new laws.

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