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Posted: 6/12/2003 5:17:30 AM EDT
[url]http://www.adn.com/alaska/story/3280484p-3310005c.html [/url]
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Take note-Sponsored by a Democrat, opposed by a Republican! LOL |QUOTE- No permit needed to carry concealed guns IN 90 DAYS: Governor signed bill, praising it as a Second Amendment victory. By MIKE CHAMBERS The Associated Press (Published: June 12, 2003) JUNEAU -- Alaskans will no longer need a permit to carry a concealed weapon under a bill signed into law Wednesday. In signing the bill, Gov. Frank Murkowski lauded the work of the Legislature and the National Rifle Association in protecting the Second Amendment rights of Alaskans. The bill would adopt the so-called "Vermont Carry" law that allows residents to carry a concealed weapon without a special permit. Vermont has no laws against carrying concealed weapons, the governor's office said. In Alaska, someone who applies for a concealed handgun permit is required to take a handgun course certified by the state Department of Public Safety. Rep. Eric Croft, [red]D[/red]-Anchorage, said he sponsored the bill out of frustration with continually fine-tuning the state's gun laws. "I object to the government putting a precondition on that constitutional right (to carry a weapon). I'm presumed to be a responsible citizen until proven otherwise," Croft said. House Bill 102 does not eliminate the state's concealed handgun permit program. The governor's office said Alaskans could still apply for a permit in order to carry a concealed weapon in other states or to be exempt from background checks when purchasing firearms. But the bill, which takes effect in 90 days, would allow Alaskans who can legally carry a firearm to carry it concealed without such a permit. It does not change prohibitions against carrying firearms into courthouses, school yards, bars and domestic violence shelters. About 17,000 concealed handgun permits have been issued in Alaska, said Greg Wilkinson, a spokesman for the Alaska State Troopers. The measure will aid gun owners particularly in rural areas where handgun safety courses may not be readily available, Croft said. While the measure won broad support among lawmakers -- more than half in the 60-member Legislature signed on as co-sponsors -- it did have its detractors. Sen. Con Bunde, [red]R[/red]-Anchorage, was among 10 lawmakers voting against the bill. Bunde said current Alaska law requires someone to understand their legal obligations and demonstrate proficiency before receiving a permit to carry a concealed weapon. He said people often misuse handguns because of a lack of firearm education and training. "I am a strong gun advocate and very concerned that every time someone misuses a gun, particularly a handgun, we lose in the court of public opinion," Bunde said. Also signed into law was a bill to require the state Department of Public Safety to recognize all concealed carry permits issued in other states. The gun bills were among nearly a dozen new laws signed by Murkowski during a ceremony in Wasilla. Some of the highlights: • Senate Bill 41 would create a new law crafted specifically to target Medicaid fraud. Overpayments and fraud are estimated to cost the state between $70 million and $170 million each year. • House Bill 267 expands the bonding power of the Alaska Railroad Corp. to allow it to issue up to $17 billion in tax-exempt bonds for a natural gas pipeline. • Senate Bill 26 allows state employees called to active military service to continue receiving pay and benefits. It is retroactive to Sept. 11, 2001. • Senate Bill 177 also allows retired state employees to continue to receive a 10 percent Alaska cost of living allowance if called to active duty. • And Senate Bill 148 allows eligible Alaskans on active duty to be gone from the state longer and still receive a Permanent Fund dividend check. It lengthens the time they and their spouses are allowed to be gone from the state to 180 days, in addition to their time on active duty. The current restriction is 45 days. The Anchorage Daily News - Get the whole story every day - Sign up for home delivery! |
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Now isn't that welcome news! I'll still renew my CHP for the instant check thing.
Gotta take exception to the Daily News plug. I hate that liberal rag. They sent a new editor up from Sacramento so it is not as biased as it used to be. |
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Color me surprised!
Officially, the number of states who trust their citizenry enough to not even bother with permits [b]has doubled!![/b] |
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Well I guess I agree somewhat with the Republican (at least what we see in the article) I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement. There are an awful lot of people that have never had any training of any kind. The argument that folks out in the boonies can't find classes is bunk. If they are really that isolated they either grew up with guns without too many accidents or the local PD should have time to give a brief briefing in between the there's a moose on my house calls.
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[snip] "I'm presumed to be a responsible citizen until proven otherwise," Croft said.[snip]
Wow, there is a radical thought for today's world. |
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PaDanby,
Got any data to back up your assertions? I thought not, just more liberal drivel. Go away, troll. Merlin |
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When the last mayor was elected, the FIRST thing he did was go to the city police chief and ordered him to sign off on any class III applicants who qualified. Before, he only did it for friends or friends-of-friends. I kind of rubbed my eyes when I read that. Sent the liberals and newspapers into hysteria.
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I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement View Quote Isn't that what is in effect in most states now? You have to take a "safety" course and then pay a "registration" fee to get a license saying you took the course. Now giving a safety course in schools just as drivers ed is taught would be a good idea. Hell, if the government is so worried about gun violence and safety, then teach kids young like they do with drugs and driving. |
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Quoted: The argument that folks out in the boonies can't find classes is bunk. If they are really that isolated they either grew up with guns without too many accidents or the local PD should have time to give a brief briefing in between the there's a moose on my house calls. View Quote So you're saying you think people who have grown up with guns all their lives need mandatory training? Trust me, some of these places are incredibly isolated. The permits are moot, since the nearest Trooper is 100 miles away and needs to fly in. So why even bother with the permit business? The city of Anchorage will probably create some sort of restrictions, since we just elected a big liberal mayor this April. BTW, even when you needed a permit to carry concealed, there's an exemption that you can carry without a permit on trails where you think there's a chance you'll encounter potentially dangerous wildlife like moose or bears. I often carry when I go biking on city park trails or walk through the woods at night. |
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Quoted: The argument that folks out in the boonies can't find classes is bunk. If they are really that isolated they either grew up with guns without too many accidents or the local PD should have time to give a brief briefing in between the there's a moose on my house calls. View Quote Guess you've never lived in the Alaskan Bush. What am I supposed to do if the nearest "PD" is several hours away? Or if the "PD" can only get to my locale via plane? Such towns do exist all over Alaska. Some places don't even have gun dealers: you have to fly to one of the other towns. I'm using "PD" because, depending on locale, it could be a PD, a Sherriff, a State Trooper, a Game Warden or even the Coast Guard. Besides, having had to pass the NRA course to get my CCW I wonder the validity of such courses. We talked, we watched a video, we took an open book test (which was self graded). Then we had to take 10 shots (5 ea with revolver and automatic) and just hit the paper from 20 feet. Not the target - the paper. There was one woman who needed almost 20 rounds in order to put one on paper. She never did hit anything better than the 3 ring, yet she passsed. I don't see how such lax class sessions makes anyone a better/more responsible gun owner. I know I'm certainly not any more qualified having sat in that class for 8 hours. Edited to note that raven beat me to the same point. |
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Really neat. This means no permit to carry handguns is needed in any of the 50 states, right? Right?
[b]The Constitution of the United States of America[/b] Article IV [i]Section 1[/i]. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof. [i]Section 2[/i]. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states. |
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Quoted: When the last mayor was elected, the FIRST thing he did was go to the city police chief and ordered him to sign off on any class III applicants who qualified. Before, he only did it for friends or friends-of-friends. I kind of rubbed my eyes when I read that. Sent the liberals and newspapers into hysteria. View Quote I just wanted to make it clear you were talking about George Weurch, and not that slimeball-weasel-photoradar-ATUsaleblocking Mark Begich. Disgusting. I can't believe there is another democrat as brazen as the slickster. |
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I don't recall my history, but I think the legislature would rather have done it this way 10 years ago if it was not for Tony Knowles.
Some of the silliness in the old law came from it being lifted almost verbatim from another state's CHP law. Anyone remember real history, not the Daily News version of Alaska history? |
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I deleted my dupe thread. Sorry.
Instead of moving to another country if shit goes bad I just might move to AK. Even though the laws are the same I bet the enforcment will not be. |
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Quoted: I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement View Quote Hell, if the government is so worried about gun violence and safety, then teach kids young like they do with drugs and driving. View Quote OUTSTANDING!, Did everyone hear this? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement View Quote Hell, if the government is so worried about gun violence and safety, then teach kids young like they do with drugs and driving. View Quote OUTSTANDING!, Did everyone hear this? View Quote [hijack mode] This sounds like a good idea initially; however, I feel this is a [b]horrible[/b] idea. Being that I'm only twenty years old, I've had the "privilege" of going through the modern "drug program" and driver’s education mandated by the government. As with all things governmental, both programs are worthless flops. The drug program uses worthless scare tactics, which have the complete opposite effect on the children the programs are attempting to brain wash. Kids often use drugs because it feels rebellious. These "scary" and "evil" substances fit well into the mindset of a rebellious youth. The government also finds it appropriate to lie and give false impressions about drugs instead of using the truth and facts for education. As for drivers ed, the program has not been revised since the '70s. All the techniques taught deal with traffic problems of the past. The data given in these classes relates to 30 year old cars. What’s my point? Government re-education programs move too slowly and can not evolve fast enough to meet modern technological advances. Also, the standards and curriculum of these classes are dictated by bias self serving politicians. Governments have [i]never[/i] made good teachers. [/hijack mode] This story is great news for 2nd amendment rights. The logic of "innocent until proven guilty" has almost left our society today, and I am more than suprized to see a democrat bring forth the idea. Hopefully, the trend of modern 2nd amendment awareness continues! - Matt |
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Maybe some of the shall issue states like S.D. will figure it out, & follow suit with Alaska. I hope so, as I feel the fees, & classes are a serious infringement on our constitutional rights, & keeps a lot of folks who really need the protection afforded by a ccp affords, like the inner city people who can't afford the classes, or fees required to protect their lives from the scum so often present in their neighborhoods.
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Since we're hyped up on AK, check out our new Alaska Machine Gun Association web page:
[url]http://www.amga.net/[/url] |
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Quoted: [jealousy]I hate you guys.[/jealousy] View Quote Ditto!! |
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Quoted: [jealousy]I hate you guys.[/jealousy] View Quote Hah - Hah... This is the first I've heard of it! Woohoo! I have put off getting one because I heve never been fingerprinted - and never want to be. I carry in my car and that has had to do. In 90 days I'll definitely start carrying. I remember when Weurch was running and we were pushing for him to win because he had stated before-hand that he would force the Chief of Police to sign for Class3. IIRC the Chief was replaced shortly afterward as we all cheered! |
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I was born in AK. I go back every now and then. I notice the Alaskan attitude towards guns is very relaxed.
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Quoted: Well I guess I agree somewhat with the Republican (at least what we see in the article) I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement. There are an awful lot of people that have never had any training of any kind. The argument that folks out in the boonies can't find classes is bunk. If they are really that isolated they either grew up with guns without too many accidents or the local PD should have time to give a brief briefing in between the there's a moose on my house calls. View Quote Too much time at DU, get to detox, quickly! There are too many people posting who have no training in grammar and spelling, they should have permits and tests before they can post. Just as ridiculous. |
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I had Hunter Education Safty when i was in school. This included firearm safty. I think teaching Firearm or Hunter Education safty in school is a great idea whether the govt. flubs it or not. The exposure to at least some information is better then none IMHO.
The FFA (Future Farmers of America) was the organization that ran the Hunter Education Safty class. Hmmm....Alaska.... |
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Woah, this is great news. When I'm 21 I guess I'll start carrying. My dad said it was a mixed blessing. Maybe some whackos will carry too.
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Quoted: ...Maybe some whackos will carry too. View Quote Many thinks many of the "whackos" would have been carrying regardless. At least this way, you'll be able to legally carry without the hassle of the application process. When you're 21 of course. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ...Maybe some whackos will carry too. View Quote Many thinks many of the "whackos" would have been carrying regardless. At least this way, you'll be able to legally carry without the hassle of the application process. When you're 21 of course. View Quote Exactly. Do you think the permit laws kept criminals (and whackos) from carrying in the first place? Not likely. The only upside to the need for a permit is in the extrememly rare case that a cop busts a criminal for CC and prevents him from commiting a crime. Of course, there is no way to tell when that has happened unless a criminal tells them what he was up to... Ain't gonna happen. As a law abiding citizen I'd rather be able to defend myself and my family without the permit hassle and the government's permission. Not to mention the fees involved. |
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AWESOME. It's nice to hear some good news once in a while. [:)]
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'ld like to see a basic safety and legal responsibility training requirement View Quote Hell, if the government is so worried about gun violence and safety, then teach kids young like they do with drugs and driving. View Quote OUTSTANDING!, Did everyone hear this? View Quote [hijack mode] This sounds like a good idea initially; however, I feel this is a [b]horrible[/b] idea. Being that I'm only twenty years old, I've had the "privilege" of going through the modern "drug program" and driver’s education mandated by the government. As with all things governmental, both programs are worthless flops. The drug program uses worthless scare tactics, which have the complete opposite effect on the children the programs are attempting to brain wash. Kids often use drugs because it feels rebellious. These "scary" and "evil" substances fit well into the mindset of a rebellious youth. The government also finds it appropriate to lie and give false impressions about drugs instead of using the truth and facts for education. As for drivers ed, the program has not been revised since the '70s. All the techniques taught deal with traffic problems of the past. The data given in these classes relates to 30 year old cars. What’s my point? Government re-education programs move too slowly and can not evolve fast enough to meet modern technological advances. Also, the standards and curriculum of these classes are dictated by bias self serving politicians. Governments have [i]never[/i] made good teachers. [/hijack mode] This story is great news for 2nd amendment rights. The logic of "innocent until proven guilty" has almost left our society today, and I am more than suprized to see a democrat bring forth the idea. Hopefully, the trend of modern 2nd amendment awareness continues! - Matt View Quote Matt, You're exactly right, but I think R-32 & Offspring were trying to highlight your exact same point (i.e., government training programs to combat drugs and car accidents are failures, as would be any similar gun training program) you made during your "rant." -ARgue |
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"I object to the government putting a precondition on that constitutional right (to carry a weapon). I'm presumed to be a responsible citizen until proven otherwise," Croft said.
"constitutional right"?[brick] [red]"The sole purpose of the Second Amendment was to place an enumerated restraint on the powers of the federal government concerning the existing right of the people to keep and bear arms."[/red] [url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/06/11/greenslade.htm[/url] [blue]Way to go Alaska[/blue][beer] [green]49 to go.[/green][50] |
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This is awesome. This can be the next goal for the states that already allow concealed carry with a permit - repeal the requirement for a permit. Allow the permit program to stay in place for those citizens who want to carry in other states.
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