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Posted: 5/27/2003 5:30:53 AM EDT
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was that a redesign of the 45 so glocks won't explode? i cant see it does anything that the .45 acp doesn't do.
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Posted: 5/27/2003 5:35:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Not me.
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Posted: 5/27/2003 5:58:54 AM EDT
[#3]
I would not buy a glock in a standard caliber.
Why would I ever want one of those? Wait, it would be a lot easier to trace a round thats only used in a glock. Enough said. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 6:19:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Wait, it would be a lot easier to trace a round thats only used in a glock. Enough said. excellent point i had not thought about that. mike |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 6:20:06 AM EDT
[#5]
I can't see the point of a [i]DOWNLOADED[/I] .45 ACP
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:01:40 AM EDT
[#6]
No thanks
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:03:19 AM EDT
[#7]
Maybe it's for the European market where they've banned military calibers?
CRC |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:34:35 AM EDT
[#8]
For the life of me I cannot see a reason for this whole concept.
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:35:16 AM EDT
[#9]
Let's see... There are already a million billion cartidges out there. The economy is in a downturn. Hundreds of thousands (my conservative estimate) of poeple want a practical/tactical Glock in .45 ACP that takes G21 mags to match the 34's & 35's. What better time to introduce this? [rolleyes]
Makes no sense to me. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:35:33 AM EDT
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...or it could be because the lower half (frame) is identical in all dimensions to the Glock 17. It would not surprise me if Gaston had a large surplus of G17 frames and decided that this would be a great way to unload them. Unless he floods the market with G.45 ammo the same time he releases the gun I personally think that the gun will fail.
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:39:15 AM EDT
[#11]
I wouldn't buy a glockb no matter what the caliber.
Piss on glockb. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:47:51 AM EDT
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Naw, I'm still waiting for the new .40 Jennings or the 10mm Lorcin calibers to be introduced.
Seriously though, is this just Glock's attempt to get their name on a fancy new cartridge? |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 8:22:28 AM EDT
[#13]
Anyone have any extra ammo to sell me for my 1980's-vintage Pit Bull revolver in "9mm Federal" (rimmed)??? No? Didn't think so. 'Nuff said!
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Posted: 5/27/2003 8:40:03 AM EDT
[#14]
Whats the point?
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Posted: 5/27/2003 8:48:36 AM EDT
[#15]
Time will tell. Some pundits said the .40 S&W was a passing fancy when it first came out. It's basically a shortened 10mm cartridge.
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Posted: 5/27/2003 9:05:27 AM EDT
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The fact that Glock had something to do with it is the kiss of death for me.
Maybe if someone else came up with it? Glock won't see one cent of my money for anything it's involved with. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 9:20:11 AM EDT
[#17]
Hold the alt button and vote for multiple picks. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 9:42:55 AM EDT
[#18]
I like Glocks but creating a new .45 is STUPID!!! Not only that but I don't feel they've stopped the Bullet Fingerprinting crap yet... Either way I'm staying away from Glocks until I see them mend their ways. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:07:48 AM EDT
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Why would any one want one in a non-standard cal?
only need for that would be in a country that would not let you own a "Military" calib. get real Glock - Rant Off - and only four more post to "200" yipie Badredfish [devil] |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:33:32 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted: was that a redesign of the 45 so glocks won't explode? i cant see it does anything that the .45 acp doesn't do. mike [:D] |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:35:34 AM EDT
[#21]
Time will tell. Some pundits said the .40 S&W was a passing fancy when it first came out. It's basically a shortened 10mm cartridge. That is not a good comparison. .40 S&W is a shorten 10mm but is also a very much less powerful round. This .45 Glock round looks like a shorten case with the same velocities. I just do not see the point. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 2:57:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hold the alt button and vote for multiple picks. How the hell did you figure that out ? [nono] |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 4:31:06 PM EDT
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Glock .45 G.A.P ..... what does that stand for?
"GAWD AWFUL PLASTIC" "GAWD AWFUL PISTOL" |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 9:40:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hold the alt button and vote for multiple picks. Cool!!! |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 9:55:09 PM EDT
[#25]
The "purpose" is 45ACP performance in a G17 sized frame. There are a lot of people who can't handle the size of the G21, yet want a full size pistol. This new round fits that bill.
I don't know how successful it will be, might end up going the way of the 5mm Rem. Mag, the 284 Win, and the 264 Win Mag. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:01:41 PM EDT
[#26]
KA-BOOM!![grenade]
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:05:04 PM EDT
[#27]
I'm a DIE HARD Glocker over everything else, with an occasional Beretta or Sig for flavor.
That said, this 45 GAP is the dumbest idea to come along since the 1911. WIth so many good things GLock could have done (Factory 6" Longslide 10MM/45, Single Stack subcompact 40, which would also allow for the same gun in .357 Sig), they went and did this. Idiots. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:07:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Hundreds of thousands (my conservative estimate) of poeple want a practical/tactical Glock in .45 ACP that takes G21 mags to match the 34's & 35's. I think your estimate is a bit enthusiastic, partner. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:09:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: I'm a DIE HARD Glocker over everything else, with an occasional Beretta or Sig for flavor. That said, this 45 GAP is the dumbest idea to come along since the 1911. WIth so many good things GLock could have done (Factory 6" Longslide 10MM/45, Single Stack subcompact 40, which would also allow for the same gun in .357 Sig), they went and did this. Idiots. Do you really think a 10mm is a good idea?? It would seem most people can't handle the recoil. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:19:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Nah. That's a myth.
The recoil of the 10mm is that of a 4" .357 revolver, which was the dominant weapon in Law Enforcement for years. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of peace officers were able to handle that level of recoil just fine for a very long time. I guess people have just gotten wimpier since then. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:24:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nah. That's a myth. The recoil of the 10mm is that of a 4" .357 revolver, which was the dominant weapon in Law Enforcement for years. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of peace officers were able to handle that level of recoil just fine for a very long time. I guess people have just gotten wimpier since then. True, but that changed about the time the LEO professional became "diverse" and began to include 130# wimmins, eh? Back in the day, LEO's were he-men, chosen mostly for their ability to fight. Now it's brains over brawn, or so it's hoped. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:27:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nah. That's a myth. The recoil of the 10mm is that of a 4" .357 revolver, which was the dominant weapon in Law Enforcement for years. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of peace officers were able to handle that level of recoil just fine for a very long time. I guess people have just gotten wimpier since then. Like I said before, the 10mm was a solution to a nonexistant problem. It was a dumb idea when it was invented, it was a dumber idea to try to resurrect it. The guns are big and bulky, they don't hide well. You can't fit alot of them into a compact package, and in practical terms there is no advantage of any kind. Thank heavans someone at smith got the idea to right size it and gave us something practical and useable. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:27:49 PM EDT
[#33]
No one is saying the 10MM is for [i]everyone[/i].
Simply pointing out that the myth of excessive recoil is completley unfounded. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:29:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like I said before, the 10mm was a solution to a nonexistant problem. It was a dumb idea when it was invented, it was a dumber idea to try to resurrect it. The guns are big and bulky, they don't hide well. You can't fit alot of them into a compact package, and in practical terms there is no advantage of any kind. Thank heavans someone at smith got the idea to right size it and gave us something practical and useable. If you are smitten with dwarfism, then maybe you would have a hard time hiding the gun. Furthermore, you should understand that all guns aren't meant to be "hidden". As far as advantages, it is more powerful than the .45 ACP, shoots flater, penetrates better, and you get more of them. That's a pretty big advantage. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:38:13 PM EDT
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I'll keep my Kimber Custom TLE II if i want anything that shoots a .45. I don't think that this whole Glock .45 is going to work out in the long run. How long has the .45 ACP been out, after all?
But I will still keep my G19. I shoot it very well, no matter what anyone else says. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:51:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Like I said before, the 10mm was a solution to a nonexistant problem. It was a dumb idea when it was invented, it was a dumber idea to try to resurrect it. The guns are big and bulky, they don't hide well. You can't fit alot of them into a compact package, and in practical terms there is no advantage of any kind. Thank heavans someone at smith got the idea to right size it and gave us something practical and useable. If you are smitten with dwarfism, then maybe you would have a hard time hiding the gun. Furthermore, you should understand that all guns aren't meant to be "hidden". As far as advantages, it is more powerful than the .45 ACP, shoots flater, penetrates better, and you get more of them. That's a pretty big advantage. like you said, overpenetrates, bulky, not really practical as a defensive tool. I'd hate to be standing behind the perpatrator. Maybe an interesting playtoy but not a practical combat arm. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 10:57:30 PM EDT
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I don't know where you get "bulky".
The round is slimmer than a 45, and can be built into a slender 1911 frame, if you have small hands and are the type so inclined towards 1911's. The 10mm is very much a "practical tool". As far as overpenetration, it can be uploaded, downloaded, or midloaded. However you want them. I personally load mine hot, as you never know when you are going to need the extra juice, but you might prefer them weaker. Good to have the option. |
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Posted: 5/27/2003 11:02:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: like you said, overpenetrates, bulky, not really practical as a defensive tool. I'd hate to be standing behind the perpatrator. Maybe an interesting playtoy but not a practical combat arm. it's NOT any bulkier than any .45ACP chambered pistol ??? you ever shoot +P .45ACP rounds ? the .45 Glock is a solution without a problem |
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Posted: 5/28/2003 5:51:30 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: I can't see the point of a [i]DOWNLOADED[/I] .45 ACP I thought "45Glock" was a pretty goofy idea when I saw the 37 at the Shot Show, but now I am not so sure. Although a single stack 10 round 45ACP Glock would have been a much better pistol, I can see the appeal of this pistol, particularly when it comes out in a Glock 19 size frame. Then theoretically you can get a 11 shot 45 the same size as the 7 shot Glock 36. I think I read somewhere that Chuck Taylor claimed that the original intent of the 10mm was to have a round that was nearer 40s&w than the hotter 10mm rounds that originally came out. I don't know if that's accurate or not, though. |
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Posted: 5/28/2003 8:15:05 AM EDT
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I guess it's the only way to shoe-horn .45 ACP performance into a g17/22 frame.
But why do that in the first place? Why not just lengthen the grip & slide of the little G36? A G36 with a 5" barrel & longer grip to hold 8-10 rds would be sweet. I don't think anyone's going to want a G37 if you can't go to Wal-Mart & buy a box of plain FMJ for $15. Glock's first blunder. Too bad. While we're at it, how about they change the grip frame shape to be more like the Robar conversion with beavertail? |
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Posted: 5/28/2003 8:29:52 AM EDT
[#41]
me thinks the 45 GAP rnd might be popular for PDs in europe but not in the US.
it seems that glock plastic frames and mags are made thicker than metal to hold up. is it possible that if glock mags were made of thinner metal contruction rather than thicker plastic they wouldnt have this problem? the problem of stuffing a longer fat round in a small frame. everyone should get a box of 45 GAP ammo, why? cuz its gonna be a COLLECTORS ITEM when the gun fails. |
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Posted: 5/28/2003 8:43:42 AM EDT
[#42]
Based on what the ballistics/velocities they mentioned in the link, I'd just get another .40SW.
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Posted: 5/28/2003 11:23:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: That said, this 45 GAP is the dumbest idea to come along since the 1911. Piss off |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 12:00:07 AM EDT
[#44]
It sounds like a hell of a good idea.
If the 9mm framed guns can handle the 45Glock WRT durability and reliability this sounds like a winner. Too bad it did not come along in the early 80's when the wondernine phenomenom was in full swing. Sounds like the best of both worlds - the ergonomics of a good 9mm with the 45 caliber. I have average hands and hate my Beretta 92, the 1911 is so so, and the CZ-75 is *perfect.* |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 12:08:59 AM EDT
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I bought a USP 45 today. Nuff said.
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Posted: 5/29/2003 12:13:04 AM EDT
[#46]
The standard velocity .45 is WAY below the normal operating pressures for a centerfire round. Cut the case, up the pressure, voila, the new .45.
I want some .45 Supers. |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 1:16:06 AM EDT
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.45 is my favorite caliber, whether it be .45 ACP, .45 Colt or .45 WinMag. That said I have no intention of buying a .45 Short or .45 Glock. It is not just a solution without a problem, it's also a solution without a solution.
The speeds are not impressive really. They are using smaller grain rounds. You can certainly surpass that performance in properly loaded .45 ACP cartridges. The world does not need nor want another proprietary cartridge. |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 6:41:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: ...The world does not need nor want another proprietary cartridge. I didn't think that when 9mm Federal came out... I was wrong! I DID think that when .40S&W & .357SIG came out... I was wrong again! Obviously, I'm wrong about this subject a lot, so don't put any stock in anything I might offer on the subject... |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 7:08:25 AM EDT
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Had the 10 round mag ban not been enacted, this would have never been thought of. The Glock wide frame allows a short, fat cartridge to be loaded 10 to the magazine in something trim and easily handled by smaller people.
Personally, stick with a single-stack .45 ACP. The wrap around reach is similar but the longer reach makes for better control. And the .45 ACP will always trump the GAP once barrel length is considered. And forget about .45 Super, its in the league of the .41 magnum and up. Put a GAP bullet in a Super case with a magnum primer and a healthy dose of Blue Dot or N350 and look at 2100 ft/second. |
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Posted: 5/29/2003 7:43:01 AM EDT
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In May 1980, when the Austrian Army opened bidding for a new service pistol, Glock didn't know the difference between a revolver and a semiautomatic pistol. [url]http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/17/index.htm[/url] Frankly, I think the difference still escapes him. ...this 45 GAP is the dumbest idea to come along since the 1911. And you as well. |
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