Ask one of these guys [:d]

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Wonder if anyone is stupid enough to pay for a raffle ticket?

I have a pre ban Mak90 to sell.
You interested ?

With the low registration #s its a smart move.  The odds are in his favor

Learn how to spell mouth first.

[b]And would you like to tell us what the libel is?[/b]

You can believe what you want to believe.

Nobody wants you to change your mind about them.But don't come and try to tell those of us  who were there and saw things, that they did not happen just because you don't want to believe it!


1)WTF does the Texas shoot have to do with the BRC?

2)WTF does the Armalite rifles have to do with the previous LEGP?

3)WTF finances were put on the line by anyone?

IIRC you had to pay for the rifles when you ordered before they were built.At least I did!
Or if you could get someone to finance it for you, you put down a non-refundable deposit on the rifle and paid in full before you got it.
[b]So what finances did they put on the line?[/b]

How was their deal different than finding out first how many people wanted rifles,and asking them for the money before ordering?

I think you don't know what you are talking about and yet are making statements that are based on your complete ignorance of the facts.

If you want to pretend nothing happened,I don't really care,but don't tell those of us who were present how you THINK things happened.

Were you at the BRC?
Did you buy either the 2001 or 2002 LEGP?

If they are such fine people,why don't you stick over at their site and tell them how great they are?

Most of us here, want nothing to do with them,so don't waste your time trying to convince us that it is all a big lie, because we know better.

Before this thing gets people's panties in a bunch or gets out of control, let's look at what's important...

Tim and John are people to avoid in life. They are selfish, egotistical, and poor business men. If you want to trust them, it's your call. If you want to back them, it's your call. If something happens (as it has, over and over again) then please don't come and tell us you weren't warned.

After months of continued silence on these issues and their attacks, I will remind you all of my favorite items from the book of CastleArms:

- TheRedGoat incident
John Spake (owner of Castle Stoves and Castle Arms) felt compelled to get in on the action and sent an email to TRG's boss. His goal, to get Brian fired from his job. Why would a guy with NOTHING to do with this mess want to get involved? And why would he try to harm someone he doesn't even know? (Ask TRG if you think this is a lie.)

- The 2002 BRC
Donations and prizes, both unclaimed and forgotten, were handed out to friends or kept, with no public statement on their future. These were items collected for the ATTENDEES, not CastleArms or BRC property. (This information came out late last year and was admitted to by CA.)

Insults and poor treatment of vendors/sponsors/attendees led to a scramble to clean up issues. NOBODY should be attacked in public, let alone screamed at and insulted in front of families with children. (A few people witnessed a few of these incidents.)

- The Brothers In Arms Fund
A wonderful idea to collect monies for those guys from the site who fell on hard times. Very little information was kept on donations and the funds laid dormant while we raised funds amongst ourselves to help people in need. No idea where the funds exist today. (Everyone has been witness to this fiasco.)

- The AR15.Com Attack
Mr Greene carefully planned the theft of [b]YOUR[/b] private information from the website. By tapping on people who he felt were "loyal" to CastleArms, he attempted to convince them of a rising emergency in my life which was going to lead to the downfall of the site. He told people I sold my house to cover site expenses and pushed hard for those people to quickly gather as much information and send it his way. Not once was any SrStaff or member of my family contacted, except by those he tried to deceive. Why? Because with this information, he could gather up support for the website they were planning. (A number of people were contacted by TimG and have openly discussed this.)


This is but a small sample of the wonderful people at GunTalk and CastleArms. Since then we've had a number of other, smaller, exchanges in which they do their best to either cover up these events, or attack us in some way. I usually ignore them, since I don't have the time to baby sit a few idiotic remarks. I try to be very open about where this site sits, where it's going, and how my time stacks up. I don't do this full time, I don't claim to be able to respond to things right away, and there is no business needs or goals behind anything we do.

I feel that we need to be accountable and answer to all of YOU. They feel they don't have to answer to anyone. Notice the difference?


I didn't mean to get so carried away with this response, but when someone defends a person or group who has attacked me at every turn, I get a bit annoyed. (You guys know they tried to get the IL Attorney General on us right? That's a fun story too!) They have done nothing, but throw insults and threats at me for the past year, and I have yet to attack them or try to undermine any of their efforts.

I have been absolutely salivating for this to be made public.  [pissed]

Guys, it is not mine to post details (also, I don't KNOW all the details), but suffice to say, we have a VERY rabidly anti-gun Attorney General here in Illinois, and BOGUS charges were made to her regarding this site.  The POS who did this can be named by [b]GoatBoy[/b] if he sees fit, but suffice to say he is associated with the CA bunch.  [pissed]

Anyone who wishes to come to this site and defend those sorry POS individuals is either ignorant of the facts and should STFU, or stupid in the extreme and should STFU.  Your choice which category you fall into.  [:(!]

Well we have Adam_White and HKocher who have shown
their true colors and are Castle Arms sympathizers.
Anyone else wanna show their colors.
Buy supporting Castle Arms you also think what they do
is ok, which means its ok for us to call you boss, steel, lie
and call the Attorney General on a website thousands of
gun owners enjoy. Adam_White and HKocher, you two
are real stand up guys. Your as low as the Castle Arms
cronies and Arock as far as I am concerned.

The BRC will be a sucess the day that Fire Extinguishers can learn to fly.

Check out the special drawing!


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Hmmm, These guys think rigged drawings at other
peoples expense is funny.

Dude, read my post more carefully.
No one is saying anything about the sponsors.
Its defending Castle Arms!
That's the point.
How was that unclear to you ?

Ok since this hits too close to home I obviously can't recommend it's removal and wouldn't mind a discussion, BUT [b]I will ask that everyone respect other people's opinions.[/b]

Everyone has their own insight into things and their own slant. All I can do is tell the stories as honestly as possible. Why should you believe my side is the truth? 1) I have nothing to hide, nothing to gain, nothing to lose. 2) Assorted people can vouch for what I say. In fact even CastleArms admitted to much of the old discussions.

There's absolutely no need to rehash things and bring up hard feelings, but it's safe to say I have more distrust for CastleArms than I do for the anti's. Any group who would attack another pro-gun entity or it's members, has issues. Their single minded focus on making money shows them for who they are.

And don't ask about the AG thing... I dealt with it and wont be sharing any information unless they try to bring it up again. [rolleyes]

No problem [8D]

[b]HKocher[/b], honestly, I did not mean to impugn you or anyone else who has posted in this thread.  I only meant that the actions of said individuals are indefensible and [b]IF[/b] someone did try to defend them it would be because they are ignorant of the facts, etc.--I did not mean to imply that you (or anyone) [b]WERE[/b] defending them.  Sorry--I could/should have been more clear.  Mea culpa!  [:(]

I agree this whole mess is ugly and unnecessary, but [u]on the part of the Avila's[/u], IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES FORCED UPON THEM, as reiterated by [b]Balzac72[/b] above, and hashed over endlessly on FA.com.  I hope the whole mess goes away soon.  I hate it when "gun people" fight amongst ourselves, but like the Paul Podhorn situation, sometimes cancers crop up that need to be excised.  [:(]

Sorry for throwing you in the same category so quickly.
I don't blame you for just wanting it to end.

Full-auto has been where the mud slinging has been
going on forever and I have jumped in every time
the CA cronies have started shit with arfcom.
They have shown to many times they don't want it
to just go away. And every time they show up to start it
I'll be there with Ed and the rest of the crew.
I have met Ed, consider him a friend. I have met
at least 40 other DFW members because of what
Ed and Goatboy and the Staff do here.
There would be no DFW crew if it were not for this site
and the people running it. I don't disregard friendships
so easily as others have in the past. This site has done a lot of great things
for the gun community and I will help defend it any way I can.

It'd be easier for us NW folks to just buy the goat a plane ticket out here and we could take a brewery circuit tour and drink our asses off.  The ticket would be cheap, goats fly livestock/cargo class right?