Small Arms Terrorist attack, Helps or hurts us?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Small Arms Terrorist attack, Helps or hurts us?

Posted: 5/20/2003 7:31:13 PM EDT

While listening to the radio today they mentioned the alert level was raised to orange, and a terror attack was possible. They also had an interview with someone about terror attacks, and the guy said he didn't think that Al Queda had the resources or people to pull off a large Sept 11 type attack, but a small bomb or small arms attack would be possible.

Which got me to thinking, Would a terrorist small arms attack that might be stoppable by citizens with guns, actually help gun owners out in the long run by making more people want to protect themselves, or would it backfire terribly for us and have the grabbers REALLY mad and make them come after us 10x as hard.

Would something like this prompt MORE gun legislation if handguns were used in combo with ak's and ar's?

I would think that with common sense this would be the prime example of why banning AW's from law abiding citizens does no good, since Terrorists are the very definition of lawless criminals who could care less about what the laws regarding [i]anything[/i] are.

Your thoughts?

Posted: 5/20/2003 7:47:49 PM EDT

[#1]

I think an attack in a mall by 3-4 terrorists with guns and explosives, if stopped by 2 or 3 legally carrying CCW holders just as the terrorists started shooting but before they set off the bombs I think it would help us

Posted: 5/20/2003 7:58:03 PM EDT

[#2]

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I think an attack in a mall by 3-4 terrorists with guns and explosives, if stopped by 2 or 3 legally carrying CCW holders just as the terrorists started shooting but before they set off the bombs I think it would help us

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Well, forget that happening in Chicago, as only [b]TERRORISTS[/B] are allowed to have guns there.

Posted: 5/20/2003 8:05:26 PM EDT

[#3]

I can see it now I drop three of these assholes in a mall at Christmas (our holy time) and I get arrested for carry in NJ.
( I would still do it to protect myself and innocents,but it would suck losing my RKBA)

Hey ya think I would get a Presidential pardon?

Posted: 5/20/2003 8:09:40 PM EDT

[#4]

i think it would 'help'....just like after 9/11 with gun sales exploding/control groups shutting their mouths(temporarily)etc....that said, if 3 or 4 terrorists legally bought a couple of AR's and killed a bunch of ppl., that would obviously be bad

Posted: 5/20/2003 8:28:55 PM EDT

[#5]

Well as we see in another thread, criminals are now running rampant in Iraq and the Iraqis are arming themselves to the teeth.

So I think more people would want guns. Something happened to the American psyche on 9/11. No longer do people rely on the authorities to protect them. Now more people are taking measures to care for themselves and their own defence. If there was one good thing to come out of 9/11, that is it.

Posted: 5/20/2003 9:36:36 PM EDT

[#6]

Seeing that terrorists will most likely strike a largely poplulated area where it is illegal to carry CCW and no one will come to the rescue with a firearm I would say no. Another attack will only support the patriot act and other laws infringing on our rights.

Posted: 5/20/2003 10:09:17 PM EDT

[#7]

No terrorist attack helps the American way of life. It will always be distorted to gain political value. In other words, it will always be used to generate fear voters. That is always a bad thing for RKBA.

Posted: 5/20/2003 10:27:59 PM EDT

[#8]

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No terrorist attack helps the American way of life. It will always be distorted to gain political value. In other words, it will always be used to generate fear voters. That is always a bad thing for RKBA.

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Sad to say, BustinCaps is exactly right. No matter what happened, the antis & the media would twist it into another excuse for more restrictive gun laws. Just like A**hole Schumer crying after the WTC bombings that more gun control would have prevented terrorists from using box cutters to hijack airplanes.

Posted: 5/20/2003 11:13:50 PM EDT

[#9]

god, can they really be that stupid? Anyone with just a little common sense would see there is ZERO connection between law abiding gun owners and TERRORISTS.
it sucks to hear that :(

Posted: 5/21/2003 4:07:54 AM EDT

[#10]

Last time I heard anything about intercepted terrorist communications, they are more likely to travel unarmed to draw less attention. If they get pulled over and searched, there would be less reason to be searched any further if unarmed.

Posted: 5/21/2003 4:16:00 AM EDT

[#11]

A small arms terrorist attack won't sway anyone either way. Those who are pro-gun will remain pro-gun, those who are anti-gun will remain anti-gun. Those who are undecided will remain undecided.

Posted: 5/21/2003 4:29:18 AM EDT

[#12]

I think it would depend on the circumstances. No matter what, the antis would use it to bash us. The unknown is how well we respond and how effective a case we can make to rebut their stupidity. What would be important would be the perception of the general public and the results of the shootout.

Ideally, the engagement would be short and sweet, with the perps becoming room temp and no innocents hurt. That would, I think play into our favor greatly. In Israel, many folks carry and aren't afraid to use their weapon. Just last year a young soccer mom pushing her baby in the stroller while shopping for groceries popped a bomber about to blow the hell out of the market. She saw what was going down, walked up behing him and shot the scumbag in the noodle from behind with her pistol.

IF one of us got into it with the badguys and lots of bystanders got hit...especially by our fire, we would pay dearly in the media, even if the perps got it too. That does bother me, because I carry daily and I'm always worried that somebody is going to freak out if they see me draw my weapon in response to a terrorist. I go over it in my head...how to get them to be quiet and stay the hell out of the way...but there's always that 10% who are either busybodies and try to interfere or are so terrified of guns they impede my ability to successfully win the gunfight. Hopefully, I won't have to fight...but I will not be a victim. I know a P-99 ain't much against an AK-47, but I will fight back. Who knows? I might get lucky and whack one of the bastards.

Posted: 5/21/2003 4:40:52 AM EDT

[#13]

Listening to the Mike Gallagher show yesterday, he brought up the fact that the Feds did a study on current gun laws and the loop holes that allow visiters to the US to purchase a firearm after being here 90 days.

Of course he seemed to be on our side and thought that this would only be fuel for the Dems (Schumer-Feinstein) to add to their anti-gun agenda.

Here's my email to him:

Mike, a short note about your topic this morning concerning the ability of foreigners or terrorists to obtain firearms through our system.

I believe that a person that is NOT a US citizen should not be allowed to own or possess a firearm in the US and the international list of terror suspects should be integrated into the current background check required to purchase a firearm. I also believe as you do, that this Federal report will most likely be used for the Democrats anti-gun agenda and to help extend the 1994 assault weapons ban due to sunset in September 2004.

Why would a possible terrorist want to walk into a gun store or gun show and purchase a legal, semi-auto version of a military rifle or for that matter ANY firearm, when he would be required to fill out the appropriate Federal paperwork and submit to a background check!

As porous as our borders are, a terrorist seeking to use a firearm to commit a terrorist act could simply smuggle his own choice of FULL-AUTO weapons into the country! Why should he try to utilize our system to obtain weapons! As easy as it is to cross our southern border for some people, so could a terrorist, along with ANY choice of weapons and equipment he wants!

A good example would be the Cuban military patrol boat that entered US waters and docked at a Florida marina! The crew was armed with FULL-AUTO AK47s and began roaming our streets looking for asylum! What other types of weapons could that boat have carried in its hull? Weapons of mass destruction perhaps?

Now, more than ever, in a time when our country is a target of terrorist attacks, Americans need to be able to utilize their 2nd Amendment right to defend them selves. This Federal study will be another tool the Democrats will use to try and strip us of our gun rights, making us even easier targets for future terror attacks.

Here is an excellent web sight that explains the "94" AW ban.
http://www.awbansunset.com/index.html

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