Page Two Ownage of Fo-age.

Monday is no good, how about Wednesday afternoon, say 1:17pm?

I fent yesterday.


Where the fuck are you guys?




I could use a little help here!


 

My thoughts also, regarding timeline of impending unsustainability.

My gut feeling is the wheels start to fall off in 10 to 15 years.

Sadly, it won't happen. Sadly.

People are too afraid of the consequences of confronting a hostile government.

The only exception would be if the military staged a coup on behalf of the people and established a new Constitutional government, which is a pipe dream I fondly hold. In reality, the military will follow orders and assist in the disarmament of America, even if reluctantly on the part of some.

All Hillary will have to do is issue an executive order banning the ownership of guns and back it up with heavy fines and imprisonment for resisters. Sure, there will be outrage and protestations of violation of the Constitution, but with the Supreme Court behind her, she will prevail. Confiscation will be swift and forceful, and we'll shed a bitter tear as we see truckloads of our guns on the way to the smelter on the nightly news.

There will also be news stories showing some guy somewhere who resisted and is being dragged away fighting and cursing, He'll be referred to as a militant lawbreaker, survivalist, anti-government traitor to America. And he'll probably be labeled a child molester and rapist to further impune his character and demean him. He'll probably have long hair, be covered in tattoos, and be wearing dirty clothes, and they'll find a rap sheet on him, too.

Nope, we'll do just like Australia did ... no one of us is big enough or strong enough to take on the U. S. military, so instead of ruining our lives by going to prison, we'll
let them take our guns. You don't think so now (cold dead hands and all that), but you will comply. for the sake of your family.

never, all the armchair revolutionaries will not leave the basement to get their safe queen AR15s dirty.

All mathematical models indicate insolvency by 2025. Then we become Greece.

I think that's the biggest roadblock to FOing

I'm on duty Wednesday. I'm a cop so do I just fo on myself? I try not to invite myself into my life.

I'm not popping the covers, that means they gotta come out of the wrappers.



Them things gonna be worth alot on the black market or the next panic.

Although I voted "never", there are conditions when a civil war might flare up.

First, a leader must appear that would have the ability and courage to rally the population. Someone who can create a dedicated following in a few short months. With a charisma and a clear message of restoring the Constitution and freedom. Then, if the Democrats do some blatantly unconstitutional move, like banning guns, if would give the people a spark to unite behind that leader and it would be on.

Can this happen theoretically? Well, has anyone in Ukraine thought that the country would be in a civil war in a course of a couple of months? Stuff like this does happen. But until there is a leadership, nobody is FOing.

Bottom line:

Individuals have to stop other individuals from breaking the law, or force them to obey the law.

There the rubber meets the road.

Fo time.

This man knows stuff.

It's inevitable in some form or other, because we've painted ourselves into a corner fiscally.

At some point all we`ll need is a catalyst of some type to blow the lid off of this place. It could be a "lone wolf" or a riot. Who knows. It appears to me that the water is VERY close to boiling over into our lives.

I think the evil SHTF fantasy starts with....
GOV and local LEO going house to house, taking guns and along the way several


gun owners are killed along with some family members during the raids.





Then what begins is Timothy Mcveigh type attacks on a a handful of federal buildings.





Due to this the military is brought in to declare martial law and capture the domestic terrorists.





Now most Americans will just bend over and take it in the ass, as long as the can watch the discovery channel


etc.





Later more complex attacks from the patriots will begin(local/Fed LEO agencys, family members etc)





Over time some will either hate or support them.





Then the attacks on local cell towers and railroads will begin, the the economy will be hit hard, but


most still wont care, but will still hate the fact the military is now running garrisons in all large cities.





9/11 brought America to its knees, imagine multiple coordinated Patriot attacks on gov buildings.





Eventually the economy will collapse, SS will end and 401k accounts will be seized. Eventually due to the crisis


military retirees will lose their pension as well.





This will cause people to either figure out a new way to survive, or joing the patriots against the new evil


government,





Many soldiers will say fuck it and retire/ETS/go AWOL etc, some will stay.





If the internet is still up, the Patriots will send out their message of fighting for freedom, even though they are all


labled terrorist.





Who knows what happens next, but the America will never be the same.





That is the so called ARFCOM SHTF fantasy, and that's all it is, a fantasy as the government will never go door to door and take guns away from their citizens.





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We won't need to. Americans fix things by voting. We learned our lesson with the War Between The States.

First, things have to get really bad. And they will.

You know how you can tell who has never been in combat?  

They are the guys fantasizing about TEOTWAWKI or "FO" time,  etc...

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lately, it's starting to resemble 2003 around here.

The country will fall to liberal/socialist/progressive agenda with exactly zero fight and zero shots being fired. You're crazy if you think anyone will give up their iPhone, Netflix, and  easy access to a smorgasbord of fast food to fight for constitutional rights.

I see it playing out like this:

- I honestly don't believe the left will ever attempt large scale confiscation bans.  The potential for violence - a lot of it - is too great.

- What I do believe they will do is continue to follow the path of "incrementalism and gradualism" - i.e., they will continue to ban future production and sale of this or that.  They will also require more and more registration of currently owned "assault weapons" (so called), as in the New York model.

- Gradually over time they will create a situation in which fewer and fewer people own guns, and those that do will have to go through more and more red tape to transfer them.  They may someday
make it so that heirs cannot inherit them, and they have to be turned over to the state upon the original owner's death.

- It will play out over 30 or 40 years, and someday, we will arrive at a situation where almost no one owns guns anymore.  Which, of course, will be tragic, as a unique part of American heritage will have died.

That's just my .02 on how I think it will unfold in the years ahead.  We (current owners) will probably keep our guns until we die, but after that, they gradually go away.

Kalergi Plan.

It's getting to the point now, that somebody is going to have to pick me up and let me man the rail gun....because I'm not running around ninja style anymore ....just life folks....just life.

Hillary is the very worst candidate that the democrats have run since Mike Dukakis.

She is positively reptilian, her arrogance radiates from her like a glowing aura.

In order to take advantage of this massive folly on the part of the dems, the GOPe is backing a unlikeable, un-presidential, fundamentalist senator.  Not a governor, a fucking senator.

He is practically guaranteed to lose to the weakest candidate the dems could find to run.

Why is this happening?  It's because we voters have no standards at all.  We'll vote for anyone the party serves up, and they know it.

When Hillary the scumbag whips his ass in November, then we'll all blame each other for letting each other down.  

And republican party will continue to be a joke and laugh all the way to the bank.


It's like Ralph Nader said: If you always just vote for the lesser of two evils, you always end up with an evil government.

 Can we pop cherries? Everyone likes poppin' cherries!

If we have another election like 2000, everything could go to pieces later this year.  The Supreme Court will be tied 4-4 and won't be able to arbitrate the problem, and the legitimacy of the federal government and the social capital of the country as a whole has substantially eroded over the last 16 years.

I really think we are on pretty thin ice, but because the ice hasn't actually started cracking yet people can't see, or more likely refuse to see, how precarious things really are.

+1

I'm not going to keep hammering this thread but you guys are missing a key idea:

The government was legally elected by YOU and YOUR NEIGHBORS.

Obama did not elect himself.   The giant mass of earth-dog centrist voters elected him.

He isn't the cause of the problem, he's the effect of the problem.


The United States has a elected government.

We are always just two voting cycles from having any government we want, as long as it conforms to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.


Remember when Jim Yeager said he was going to start shooting people?

Who was there to shoot?  His fellow citizens?  Or the legally elected politicians they voted into office?


If you want to know who the enemy of the USA is, go look in the mirror.

We all voted for scumbags, and now the republican party is an irrelevant junk heap.

Did anyone hold a gun to your head and make you vote for some worthless fucking big government statist RINO?

When is the last time that you voted for a real honest to goodness small-government fiscal conservative?

Are you proud to call yourself a republican?

Can we have a fucking candidate once in a while with some actual executive experience, who actually did a good job.  Who reduced the size of the government instead of getting rich off it?


We could have a real republican party just by voting for it.  Simple as that.

That would be the fo-time heard around the world.

"They" fo first.

Yup. I don't see a revolution. I see a quiet acceptance of our shackles. Our ancestors would've been shooting motherfuckers in the face already.

I said back in 2012 that that election was our final, slim, chance to avoid an eventual war, and we blew it, and I still believe it.  I predicted back then that the start would probably be within 5 years, and certainly within 10, it is now spring of 2016, you can do the math.  I do not want a war, and I still intend to do my best to avoid it and I very much hope my prediction proves incorrect, but the more that happens, especially recent events, the surer I am that I was right.  We have gone too far down the rabbit's hole, I simply see no scenario in which we get a peaceful solution, if the status quo were to continue we would face an eventual uprising by a very pissed off right, or barring that, the certain eventual economic collapse of the country which would bring an inevitable social collapse with it, the result of both would be a war.  Alternatively, the grown ups could get back in charge and slam on the breaks and start actually trying to fix things to prevent the collapse, but that would lead to the FSA rioting and leftist terrorism leading to eventual full scale rebellion and war to put it down, I simply see no peaceful avenues at this point, too much of the country has become too dependent on the government.

My prediction remains the same as it was back in 2012, that it will happen sometime between summer 2013 and summer 2018 with an outside chance of summer 2018 to summer 2023, but no later than that.  As you know it is currently spring 2016, if I were to try to make a more specific prediction I would say the ultra polarization of the country combined with a very unusual election year could set things off during the summer of 2017, first month to top a 90 degree average would be my guess.  It probably starts when a black lives matter "protest" or something simular turns violent, like Ferguson or Baltimore (notice how stuff like that is becoming more common?) except it won't be contained, simular copy cat riots will start to pop up all over the country, spurred on by social media and the regular media, it will spin out of control and people will be forced to defend themselves.  Meanwhile BLM finally gets outed as the terrorist organization that it is, a crackdown will ensue and a general revolt by the left results and is put down, with vigor.  It's all over by 2019 and we go back to normal, just without welfare state baggage and a few million leftists.  But now your pushing it, I refer back to my main prediction.

This. All the blowhard WILL NOT COMPLY shit is just that, shit. For every 1 person who will "FO" there are a thousand who will grumpily slug along in their daily lives as long as they still have the internet and other distractions in life.

FO time is never going to happen, but if by some miracle one day enough people decide to the power will be so far shifted it will be too little too late.

Panopticon.  We are living in it.

Never.  

Police and Military will make sure your "fo time" is limited to your property...labeling you as a right-wing gun nut...

of all the things i thought i'd never see in GD, poststructuralism ranked highly.  and IMO you're spot on with this.

I think you have the most likely order mixed up. Economic collapse would probably start things off, then they confiscate 401ks, and when unemployment and crime skyrocket (see the crime rates during the Great Depression), they use it as an opportunity to start confiscating guns. If people are already hungry, unemployed, and pissed off, taking their 401k and attempting to take their guns would certainly get the party started. But I'm just a broken down old man with no guns, so I'll be watching the show from my rocking chair.

November 13th 2015. My personal FO time.

Joined the site after years of lurking on November 18th.
Became NRA Life member in December. Recently upgraded to Endowment.

I am now at war. I only go out of my way for like-minded individuals. Try my best to not support the enemy. I keep a clean look, speak well to strangers or people that I am not sure of their beliefs. Every one is talking politics these days. That is when I can attack. Let them know my beliefs, and be blunt but not offensive about it. Unless I know they are leaning my way. Then I recruit.

My father is my newest recruit. Man has always talked about politics. Until the day I found out he wasn't even registered to vote. I told my own father he was not to talk politics with me till he was. He will be voting this election, and on our side.

We are already at war. We all can do ALOT without popping mags. First vacation day in the books this year was for Election day. I am taking people to the polls that otherwise may not even know where to go. And from now till then I will be reminding them and gathering more followers.

Thank you - the compliment is high praise coming from you.  Honestly, I am still trying to wrap my mind around the concept in hope of escaping the prison.  Any help would be appreciated.

i use a lot of foucault in other ways, but never made time for the panopticon/discipline stuff until this last month or so (should have been looking at it much sooner).  so you're probably ahead of me on this.  here's a link to the full version of security, terrotiry, population: a series of lectures in which he lays out his core arguments about how the state and society come to control us.  he's definitely a leftist, but he's very suspicious of the state, and his ideas cut both ways--it's fascinating reading.

What a pathetic sight that is.

You want that?

We are tens of millions strong. Quit your fucking sniveling and let that sink in.

Yep and GD will ridicule them and cheer their deaths.

Never say never, but it isn't happening anytime soon without a major change in climate and government.

Things must get to the point that going to war is better than not, and we are not there yet by a long shot.



 

And how many of those are going to step up? I'd bet low thousands tops. We're long past a mass armed rebellion, we've been a 'tinderbox' for a long time according to many and the match has been struck several times to stand up to the .gov and all we got was a handful of 'terrorists' and gun owners cheering on their demise because it didn't fit their agenda.

As long as the bread and circuses continue the revolution will be postponed.

The Military would fall apart within days of any attempt to use them for confiscation.

You guys that think the U.S. Military is some kind of indestructible juggernaut have no idea how vulnerable the Military really is to an effective insurgency.

You also grossly underestimate how many hard core conservatives there still are in the .Mil. Mostly in the senior Enlisted ranks.

There is no fucking way you're getting a single convoy out the gate if your Senior NCO's don't want it to happen.

Sure there are plenty of Sheniqua's and D'Andres who will blindly follow orders, but without effective leadership they are nothing more than a poorly organized mob that will crumble on contact.



But sadly, nothing is ever going tohappen like this. It will be slow, deliberate, and we will all alow it to happen.