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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:55:28 PM EDT
Does anyone really know what affect this would have? I'm pretty sure some people would die, global warming would be blamed and my taxes would go up.
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San Andreas isn't the big risk.
The big risk is the Juan de Fuca plate under Oregon. Shallow subduction angle and long period of dormancy. When it slips again, the resulting earthquake will be a lot more like the devastating Chile or Alaska quakes. In Alaska, the quake was so massive that solid ground liquified and entire floors of buildings just sank into the ground. |
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California slides into the ocean.
Like the mystics and statistics say it will. |
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Does anyone really know what affect this would have? I'm pretty sure some people would die, global warming would be blamed and my taxes would go up. View Quote Either event would have a devastating effect on the US economy. It will take decades to recover. An at least equally likely and devastating event would be a major earthquake in or near the state of Washington or an eruption of Mount Rainier. Quoted:
California slides into the ocean. Like the mystics and statistics say it will. View Quote Statistics indicate an equal likelihood of everything east of the fault sliding into the Atlantic Ocean. |
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When I was stationed at Norton AFB in San Bernardino, the disaster preparedness folks told us over and over that if the San Andreas let loose, San Bernardino would pretty much cease to exist.
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Either a hilacious homeowners insurance rate incease or cancellation all together.
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Bad things
But then again, it will be a boon to the construction industry. |
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San Andreas isn't the big risk. The big risk is the Juan de Fuca plate under Oregon. Shallow subduction angle and long period of dormancy. When it slips again, the resulting earthquake will be a lot more like the devastating Chile or Alaska quakes. In Alaska, the quake was so massive that solid ground liquified and entire floors of buildings just sank into the ground. View Quote There you go again. Blaming illegals for all our problems. Geology and plate tectonics are racist. |
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Gun confiscation
Disbanding of the Constitution for "emergency purposes" $5 trillion emergency bailout |
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I've read that it would be game over if the New Madrid erupted. Most of the bridged that truckers use crossing the country would be taken out and grocery stores only have a three day inventory. It would take a lot longer than three days to fix enough of the bridges.
It would be looting, murders, and fire in the streets. And cats and dogs like going together. |
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"Cut loose" ? Meaning What?
It's pretty easy to extrapolate, if we are to assume the the historical precedent. The most interesting effect would be the US and Global markets. They would collapse in the short term, followed by a shot of stimulus that would make the TARP look like a warm cup of herbal tea. The dollar dies a little more, but it would represent a great buying opportunity in the Stock Market. Get your CAT buys teed up and ready to go! |
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count on an invasion of foreign powers descending like vultures claiming to be angels of mercy
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I've read that it would be game over if the New Madrid erupted. Most of the bridged that truckers use crossing the country would be taken out and grocery stores only have a three day inventory. It would take a lot longer than three days to fix enough of the bridges. It would be looting, murders, and fire in the streets. And cats and dogs like going together. View Quote "And behold! A white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow;. . " So kinda like that?? |
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New Madrid would likely be felt further than San Andreas in terms of its impact on the economy, logistics, food supply, and so on. I mean - lets face it, CA is already a lost cause.
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In Alaska, the quake was so massive that solid ground liquified and entire floors of buildings just sank into the ground. what was the date of that one? Magnatude 9.2. 1964: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake |
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All the sinking in the ocean stuff is from Edgar Cayce. However, he did have a good track record, especially claiming "plates" of the earth's crust, etc.
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I will find out just how good my earthquake rider on my homeowners policy is....
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Homeowners policies explicitly exclude losses caused by earthquakes. If your house gets shaken apart you had best pray that it catches on fire too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Either a hilacious homeowners insurance rate incease or cancellation all together. Homeowners policies explicitly exclude losses caused by earthquakes. If your house gets shaken apart you had best pray that it catches on fire too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So in other words keep a box of matches handy |
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I've read that it would be game over if the New Madrid erupted. Most of the bridged that truckers use crossing the country would be taken out and grocery stores only have a three day inventory. It would take a lot longer than three days to fix enough of the bridges. It would be looting, murders, and fire in the streets. And cats and dogs like going together. View Quote Getting across the Mississippi by vehicle would be impossible for a long while. They'd have to barge supplies in...assuming they had a serviceable port. |
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San Andreas isn't the big risk. The big risk is the Juan de Fuca plate under Oregon. Shallow subduction angle and long period of dormancy. When it slips again, the resulting earthquake will be a lot more like the devastating Chile or Alaska quakes. In Alaska, the quake was so massive that solid ground liquified and entire floors of buildings just sank into the ground. View Quote This. Just saw a story on this last night. Even with a 7.9 (the highest possible with the San Adreas fault) they estimate 1800 dead and some cracking but not huge chasms or the state falling into the sea. Apparently all the big buildings have been successfully modded and constructed. And no tsunamis, the quake has to occur at sea for a tsunami. 2012 and San Andreas lied!!! |
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I'm not familiar with west coast soils but a lot of the ground in the Midwest is going to get squirrely with liquefaction.
It will be a crazy mess. Lot of dead people, buildings and bridges down or unsafe, food shortages, water and sewer lines broken leading to out of control fires and disease. Oh, and last big new Madrid quake made the Mississippi River run backwards for a bit if I remember correctly from a geology class 20 years ago. |
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As for the New Madrid, look up the formation of Reelfoot lake in northwestern TN.
The MS river flowed backwards for a couple of days to fill it up. |
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Quoted: Quoted: In Alaska, the quake was so massive that solid ground liquified and entire floors of buildings just sank into the ground. what was the date of that one? Downtown Anchorage: |
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http://www.livescience.com/16673-earthquake-san-francisco-california.html
San Andreas would be bad because of population, but it maxes out at 8 Cascadia because it could be much more powerful and would destroy the coast of the PNW and possibly Alaska and Japan with the tsunami. It could be as much as 9 or I suppose 9.5 even. It has the potential to the the largest ever. The Boxer day quake that caused the massive tsunami in Thailand and the Indian ocean was a 9.2 as I recall and it split like a zipper all the way up the coast for 10 minutes. The New Madrid is likely only going to be limited to a 7.0. It will be bad because of the population and building codes. The wild estimates of damages are from almost impossible scenarios of 7.7 quakes along all three of the fault lines around the "New Madrid". Plus if I recall correctly there is soothing about the soil in that area that will magnify the effects. All of them could be bad. Cascadia is the one where things will be bad for lots of people though. There is literally no place to go for some of the people who will be in low lying areas. |
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When New Madrid goes again (it is overdue) it will love St. Louis tenderly, like a Marine in Bangkok on leave from Vietnam taking the first hooker he sees.
Memphis will lose every building over 3 stories, nothing of downtown will remain after the Mississippi washes it clean. Not out of the realm of possibility that we see severe damage as far off as Nashville, Little Rock, Louisville. Not world-ending for those places, but they will hurt. I will be on State Active Duty for over a year, I should think. This is the scenario that Kentucky Emergency Management practices for every year. |
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4 regions of the Agency I worked for ( for 26 years) got together and did a revamped response plan in 2007.......It was also part of the "Catastrophic Annex" to the National Response Framework.....
Figure 12 million people in the "high risk" areas.....probably 16 by now..... After the incident, the fires, the dam/levee failures, the US&R, sheltering, temporary housing, long term recovery, the worst would set in.....the long term economic impact and restoring infrastructure..... It's on par with WW3.....and with what DHS and Fugate have done with FEMA over the past few years, it might be worse.....the whole agency is now run by ex-Coast Guard flunkies with little to no real emergency management background...... I'll be getting a debris removal contract..... |
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The Sierra's weren't made because the plates are pulling CA away, think of it as Plan B for invading Nevada/Arizona etc
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I've read that it would be game over if the New Madrid erupted. Most of the bridged that truckers use crossing the country would be taken out and grocery stores only have a three day inventory. It would take a lot longer than three days to fix enough of the bridges. It would be looting, murders, and fire in the streets. And cats and dogs like going together. View Quote So... business as usual in Memphis and East St. Louis then? |
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Homeowners policies explicitly exclude losses caused by earthquakes. If your house gets shaken apart you had best pray that it catches on fire too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Either a hilacious homeowners insurance rate incease or cancellation all together. Homeowners policies explicitly exclude losses caused by earthquakes. If your house gets shaken apart you had best pray that it catches on fire too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I can guarantee that mine will burn to the foundation just as the earthquake strikes. Along with everyone elses in the neighborhood. |
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The coastal fault lines will kill more people. There's just no way around it.
New Madrid will have a bigger and longer lasting affect in the US as a whole. Imagine no commerce crossing the Mississippi River for a good amount of time. Everything between the Ozarks and the river is going to be a sandy slushy mess. Lots of rice and soy bean fields destroyed for a harvest or two. |
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When New Madrid goes again (it is overdue) it will love St. Louis tenderly, like a Marine in Bangkok on leave from Vietnam taking the first hooker he sees. Memphis will lose every building over 3 stories, nothing of downtown will remain after the Mississippi washes it clean. Not out of the realm of possibility that we see severe damage as far off as Nashville, Little Rock, Louisville. Not world-ending for those places, but they will hurt. I will be on State Active Duty for over a year, I should think. This is the scenario that Kentucky Emergency Management practices for every year. View Quote Can I get that guaranteed in writing? |
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There is a huge lake system and documented reports as the aftermath the last time New Madrid let go in a big way. Next time millions will be affected directly.
Bridges from St. Louis to Memphis would fall down, not just close. There are two ferries between St. Louis and the lower end of the boothill. I had a dream about a volcano rising up near New Madrid. It was tall enough to see from St. Louis and had snow cover at the top after just a few days. Made a beautiful sight in my dream. |
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4 regions of the Agency I worked for ( for 26 years) got together and did a revamped response plan in 2007.......It was also part of the "Catastrophic Annex" to the National Response Framework..... Figure 12 million people in the "high risk" areas.....probably 16 by now..... After the incident, the fires, the dam/levee failures, the US&R, sheltering, temporary housing, long term recovery, the worst would set in.....the long term economic impact and restoring infrastructure..... It's on par with WW3.....and with what DHS and Fugate have done with FEMA over the past few years, it might be worse.....the whole agency is now run by ex-Coast Guard flunkies with little to no real emergency management background...... I'll be getting a debris removal contract..... View Quote So...Costa to the rescue? |
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4 regions of the Agency I worked for ( for 26 years) got together and did a revamped response plan in 2007.......It was also part of the "Catastrophic Annex" to the National Response Framework..... Figure 12 million people in the "high risk" areas.....probably 16 by now..... After the incident, the fires, the dam/levee failures, the US&R, sheltering, temporary housing, long term recovery, the worst would set in.....the long term economic impact and restoring infrastructure..... It's on par with WW3.....and with what DHS and Fugate have done with FEMA over the past few years, it might be worse.....the whole agency is now run by ex-Coast Guard flunkies with little to no real emergency management background...... I'll be getting a debris removal contract..... So...Costa to the rescue? Worse eta: there are some smart folks in charge of Response/Recovery.......the real buffoonery is up near the "top"..... |
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There is a huge lake system and documented reports as the aftermath the last time New Madrid let go in a big way. Next time millions will be affected directly. Bridges from St. Louis to Memphis would fall down, not just close. There are two ferries between St. Louis and the lower end of the boothill. I had a dream about a volcano rising up near New Madrid. It was tall enough to see from St. Louis and had snow cover at the top after just a few days. Made a beautiful sight in my dream. View Quote Bootheel. |
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