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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:18:53 PM EDT
Some people were recently convicted of trying to smuggle in a boatload (literally) of guns. The BBC has the following picture of what it describes as "AK-47-style assault rifles". I'm genuinely intrigued if anyone can give a more definitive identification?
Two men found guilty over UK gun smuggling The guns - 22 assault rifles similar to AK-47s, and nine Skorpion sub-machine guns - were brought into the UK from Boulogne on a 38ft (12m) cruiser, the MV Albernina, the court heard.  Caption: "More than 20 AK-47-style assault rifles were also in the haul" |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:19:46 PM EDT
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VZ58
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:19:51 PM EDT
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Some people were recently convicted of trying to smuggle in a boatload (literally) of guns. The BBC has the following picture of what it describes as "AK-47-style assault rifles". I'm genuinely intrigued if anyone can give a more definitive identification? Two men found guilty over UK gun smuggling The guns - 22 assault rifles similar to AK-47s, and nine Skorpion sub-machine guns - were brought into the UK from Boulogne on a 38ft (12m) cruiser, the MV Albernina, the court heard. http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11A62/production/_88509227_88505906.jpg Looks like CZs |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:20:55 PM EDT
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VZ 58
Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:21:18 PM EDT
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VZ58
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:22:09 PM EDT
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I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:22:17 PM EDT
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Awesome! Once again, thank you Arfcom!
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: VZ58 Which are damn nice guns too. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:23:01 PM EDT
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Yup
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:23:16 PM EDT
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I'd give my left nut for a pair of fun-switch Scorpions.
Those short barreled VZ58's are also pretty sexy. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:23:23 PM EDT
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Look like VZ58s to me
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:24:17 PM EDT
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AK-47 sounds scarier than VZ-58
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:25:33 PM EDT
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I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines.
But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher. 
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:27:39 PM EDT
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Dirty fucking heathens!
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:28:43 PM EDT
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They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines. But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher. We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:33:21 PM EDT
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They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK. Yup. Vaguely similar cosmetically and chambered in the same caliber, other than that they are a totally different rifle. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:48:19 PM EDT
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We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines. But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher. We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins. Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness. If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons. 
I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome. 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:49:21 PM EDT
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VZ 58 Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's. Did we tell them to goat-fuck off? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:54:20 PM EDT
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The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags.  |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:30:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:35:17 PM EDT
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They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK. None. Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:36:49 PM EDT
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Without clicking the article I wonder where these guns were going. Possible Paris style attack planned for London?
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:53:36 PM EDT
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Supposedly they are 11 times deadlier than an AK
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
No they don't accept AK mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags. But they have a BHO |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:55:03 PM EDT
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These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:55:17 PM EDT
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None. Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK. None. Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series. Nothing about the design is similar except they both have barrels |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:56:21 PM EDT
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Without clicking the article I wonder where these guns were going. Possible Paris style attack planned for London? CZs are for killing Muslims |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:56:36 PM EDT
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Well they're Ak-47-ish. Kinda. Sorta. From a distance.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMuh Klobbs
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
None. Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK. None. Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series. Similar design but better executed would be the Finnish RK rifles, the CZ only looks like an AK from a distance, to a layman. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:08:17 PM EDT
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These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban. Yep. Extremely smooth shooting rifles. Former boss in FL has a post May sample that is very sweet shooting. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 4:22:41 PM EDT
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These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban. But they look like an AK, which is the scary bad guy gun. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 4:45:00 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:05:55 PM EDT
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Looks French.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:07:06 PM EDT
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VZ 58 Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's. Leave it to a goat fucker to prefer an AK to a beautiful VZ-58. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:08:45 PM EDT
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IRA getting edgy again?
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness. If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons.
I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines. But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher. We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins. Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness. If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons.
I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome. The VZ mags are aluminum and better than AK mags. Unissued and factory wrapped mags were available for $15 just a few years ago. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:15:24 PM EDT
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Awesome! Once again, thank you Arfcom! They've been imported here for years, so it's not like we're real smart or anything. 
The Skorpions I'm guessing are VZ-61's. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCool. That's what I figured. I have a couple of those in SBR form. Great little gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:22:40 PM EDT
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I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR. That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:52:13 PM EDT
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That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR. That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14 Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines: 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 5:56:36 PM EDT
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It's the gun the female sniper used in the movie Full Metal Jacket
- Clint |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 6:07:01 PM EDT
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I prefer the VZs over the AK.
Just some of the cool features are; last round BHO, striker fired, huge ejection port, much more ergonomic safety, a milled receiver, and its still a pound lighter than the stamped AKM. Fun rifle. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 6:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines: http://i.imgur.com/Admf6LW.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR. That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14 Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines: http://i.imgur.com/Admf6LW.png https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/sa-vz58-pistols |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 6:17:23 PM EDT
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The VZ58 also shows up in the last Bond movie. One hanging on a wall, and more that Bond takes from bad guys and uses to pick off more bad guys at impressive range.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 6:30:29 PM EDT
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The VZ58 also shows up in the last Bond movie. One hanging on a wall, and more that Bond takes from bad guys and uses to pick off more bad guys at impressive range. It also showed up in an older Bond flick, "Octopussy." 
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