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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:55:21 PM EDT
I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural.
Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. |
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He played the game, he won the prize.
Not your problem. Your dogs were retained in an enclosed area that he entered, they did what came naturally to them. |
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Quoted: I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural. Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. View Quote you aren't responsible. You place numerous signs and fences telling people to stay the fuck out. Its not your fault the person can't read or is dumb as shit. And it sure isn't your dogs fault. |
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Yeah... he kinda asked for it.
No way he didn't know the dogs were there before he opened the gate on your interior fence. Not with 5 of them. |
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Good luck. IANAL and I'm no expert, but I have a feeling that your insurance agent and lawyer will be involved in your life soon, and I agree with you it's his fault, but that doesn't matter much.
ETA: I see there are others with experience saying I'm wrong...that's good. I have a pair of bitey twins and secure my rural place like you, but I've always planned if they did their work as intended I'd have accompanying problems of insurance and lawyers. |
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Holy crap! We have a situation where the owner of the bitey dog is 100% in the right. I don't see what else you could have done, OP.
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Good luck. IANAL and I'm no expert, but I have a feeling that your insurance agent and lawyer will be involved in your life soon, and I agree with you it's his fault, but that doesn't matter much. ETA: I see there are others with experience saying I'm wrong...that's good. I have a pair of bitey twins and secure my rural place like you, but I've always planned if they did their work as intended I'd have accompanying problems of insurance and lawyers. View Quote No you're probably right. My victim didn't press the issue, but I bet she would have if I didn't have it all on surveillance video. |
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Please do not take this as me blaming you because I am not. But, you may want to rethink your signs. I am ok with the signs at the first gate. I would post another sign 70 yards out "are you stupid", at 60 yards "dumbass, really no trespassing" and so on down to the chain link fence gate. This is where you need a sign explaining that person reading the sign is about to be eaten by 4 dogs. You also need to get a camera so we can see said individuals dance around with a dog on each appendage.
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He did exactly what he wasn't supposed to do, & they did exactly what they were supposed to do. Good doggies.
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I wasn't home when it happened. My wife described him as "mid 30's sketchy looking Indian or Mexican guy with a beat-up pickup." That's half the population of my county
She said he was very apologetic and said he probably shouldn't have came on the property after seeing the signs She asked him if he was ok and he said yes as he was walking back down the drive to leave. Don't know for sure what he wanted or was doing but he wouldn't be the first person to come on my property looking around, acting wierd. Edit to ad I have now put Beware of Dog signs on the chain link fence just in case you crossed the first fence boundary and bypassed the other signs. |
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"We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. "
Sounds like a good bite. |
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While I agree you should be in the clear, I doubt you are.
I had a dog bite a neighbor kid in our fenced in back yard. Bit him on the ear and he had a hospital visit. We were not home when it happened. Much later we got a demand letter from an attorney for medical costs. Turned that over to insurance. Much later we got a cancellation notice from the insurance company. They paid the claim, but said we couldn't be insured with a vicious dog. Bottom line, if sees an attorney, your insurance will be paying and you may have trouble. |
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I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural. Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. View Quote Fuck him. I hate trespassers. |
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I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural. Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind for the kill. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. View Quote that mother fucker needed new underwear for sure. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. |
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I used to be a underground utilities locator, by calling in a ticket you gave me
permission to come on your property. I never went into a fenced area with out shaking the gate or other noise to see if any dogs show up. If they acted vicious I just left and called the contact number. That guy was a dumb ass. |
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Bottom line, if sees an attorney, your insurance will be paying and you may have trouble. View Quote From the description of the guy I would not be too worried. Does your wife carry when close to unknown people? I don't want to worry you but scum do exist in the USA. I just heard of two brothers who are alleged or thought to have killed a couple. I don't have specifics but it is best to stay vigilant. |
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I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural. Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. Fuck him. I hate trespassers. may be worth talking to a lawyer. I seem to remember a lawyer saying to press trespassing charges. Maybe before idiot has a chance to file a lawsuit? police report may be a bad idea, maybe not. I don't know. I would be worried personally. I would hate to have to give up my dog. |
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Sounds like a dirtbag played stupid games and got a stupid fuckin' prize.
Good bite. |
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I don't understand some people. I live out in the country in SW Ok, its pretty rural. I mean like down a shitty gravel road, way off the beaten path kinda rural. Most country people have dogs in my experience and those dogs can be territorial. My house is out in the country and sits back from a gravel road by about 80 yards or so and my property has an exterior barbwire fence with a gate that I leave open most of the time cause its easier for me and the wife and kids to drive in and out without opening and closing the gate. The main gate/entrance has 3 large "Private Property/No Trespassing" signs. The house itself is surrounded by a second fence, a chain link fence and my dogs are contained within that chain link fence. So a stranger drives up, sees the No Trespassing signs and parks right at the gate in my drive. He then proceeds to walk up my driveway and opens the chain link fence and enters. His big mistake! My wife heard the dogs (we have 5, they are mostly muts) go berserk and knew something was wrong. She walked to the front door and saw the guy with four dogs latched on, one on each leg and one hanging from each arm, the last dog, our Great Dane was circling from behind. With loud yelling from my wife she was able to get the dogs to let go and the guy immediately exited the chain link fence area. We don't know him, he said he was looking for me to enquire about a possible job which I find highly suspect. My wife was worried about the dogs attacking him but I am not. He crossed two fences on posted property, his mistake not ours. I guess I need to add more signs on my property. I feel I am a responsible pet owner, even though I live out in the country with 10 acres of my own but everything around me is open farm and ranch land, I don't let my dogs roam. They stay inside a large fenced area. View Quote That's the only thing I see wrong with the story. |
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My one gun club had a problem with neighbors riding horses and ATV's on the wooded gun club property. I guess some parts would have been downrange of the trap field and rifle range. So at one of the gun club meetings I suggested putting up a fence. The gun club president was friends with the club's lawyer, and they had already talked about that. The club president said that building a fence gets you into this legal area called "attractive nuisance"...that people will climb the fence just to see what is on the other side.
EDIT: posting "Beware of Dogs", I have heard, can also be a legal "mess" too, because a lawyer seeking damages or compensation for his client's medical bills, could say "You knew those dogs were dangerous, and thus, posted those signs." |
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Generally entering your property via a walkway and going to the door isn't trespassing and theoretically you could have legal issues but I'm guessing your visitor doesn't want to tell the authorities his name, place of birth or business in the neighborhood.
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He just came to 'ask' if you had any personal property you like to go missing...
Good bite. |
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My one gun club had a problem with neighbors riding horses and ATV's on the wooded gun club property. I guess some parts would have been downrange of the trap field and rifle range. So at one of the gun club meetings I suggested putting up a fence. The gun club president was friends with the club's lawyer, and they had already talked about that. The club president said that building a fence gets you into this legal area called "attractive nuisance"...that people will climb the fence just to see what is on the other side. EDIT: posting "Beware of Dogs", I have heard, can also be a legal "mess" too, because a lawyer seeking damages or compensation for his client's medical bills, could say "You knew those dogs were dangerous, and thus, posted those signs." View Quote "The more I think about it ole Billy was right. Let's kill all the lawyers. Kill 'em tonight." |
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My one gun club had a problem with neighbors riding horses and ATV's on the wooded gun club property. I guess some parts would have been downrange of the trap field and rifle range. So at one of the gun club meetings I suggested putting up a fence. The gun club president was friends with the club's lawyer, and they had already talked about that. The club president said that building a fence gets you into this legal area called "attractive nuisance"...that people will climb the fence just to see what is on the other side. That guy is a retard. http://e.lvme.me/3risbcx.jpg Probably, in reality, the club was just too cheap to pay to have a fence installed And used "attractive nuisance" as a cop out answer. |
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I always give the dog people hell on here, but you did everything right. F that guy.
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Did the trespasser guy have a pair of channel locks in one hand, and a natural gas disconnect notice in the other hand?
Maybe we can get Turboguy to inject some common sense into this thread??? |
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