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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:01:06 PM EDT
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6.5 . THE hot bullet and so many ways to go with it.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:01:13 PM EDT
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308 just because every newbie who jumps into 6.5 c is making it next to impossible to get brass or loaded ammunition
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:02:27 PM EDT
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Where's that LRRPF52 guy when we need him?
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:03:00 PM EDT
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I am sure most people would tell you 308 but I have had great luck out of my 6.5.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:04:02 PM EDT
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6.5mm rifle bullets beat the ever loving fuck out 7.62mm rifle bullets.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:04:53 PM EDT
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6.5 . THE hot bullet and so many ways to go with it. .308 is a great round but 6.5's are where all the time, money, and research seems to be going...well, bullet diameters from .260 to .290, anyway. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:05:57 PM EDT
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308 just because every newbie who jumps into 6.5 c is making it next to impossible to get brass or loaded ammunition haha so 6.5 
is current availability slim? |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:09:08 PM EDT
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6.5 it is then.
y'all make it easy haha. Thanks |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:10:55 PM EDT
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haha so 6.5
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308 just because every newbie who jumps into 6.5 c is making it next to impossible to get brass or loaded ammunition haha so 6.5
is current availability slim? extremely . the ruger precision didn't help either. local stores including cabelas are treating 6.5 ammo like .22 lr, one box per |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:11:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:12:57 PM EDT
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If I were starting out with long-range shooting and wanted to shoot 1000 yards, I'd go with 6.5, hands-down.
7.62 can do it, but it won't do it as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:13:13 PM EDT
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extremely . the ruger precision didn't help either. local stores including cabelas are treating 6.5 ammo like .22 lr, one box per Quote HistoryQuoted:
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308 just because every newbie who jumps into 6.5 c is making it next to impossible to get brass or loaded ammunition haha so 6.5
is current availability slim? extremely . the ruger precision didn't help either. local stores including cabelas are treating 6.5 ammo like .22 lr, one box per so start buying dies, bullets and such now then scour the ground for extra brass? 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:14:10 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:16:00 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:16:50 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. 
I don't care! I'm horrible! Blow me. 
But yeah, the 6.5 does a better job. I just like cheap (relatively) and available (relatively) ammo and loading supplies. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:16:53 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. It's not horrible, it's just ballisticly inferior to 6.5Cm/6.5x47/.260 Rem |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:18:06 PM EDT
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I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least. 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:18:47 PM EDT
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I really like .260 Rem. I have a .308 right now, but once I get some other things taken care of, it's getting rebarreled.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:20:07 PM EDT
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:20:38 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least.
It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:22:27 PM EDT
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It's not horrible, it's just ballisticly inferior to 6.5Cm/6.5x47/.260 Rem Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. It's not horrible, it's just ballisticly inferior to 6.5Cm/6.5x47/.260 Rem Meh. Bolt gun = 6.5C Semi = .308WIN Different applications, IMO, for starters. The fun part of the arguments start when the 260REM and 6.5C guys start fighting. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:22:58 PM EDT
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It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least.
It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:23:05 PM EDT
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I like 308..... it's a very versatile round and very plentiful.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:23:20 PM EDT
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6.5, if you want the most accuracy and range.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:25:38 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. Lol. Works fine for me. I doubt OP will use the 6.5 to its full advantage so why get a caliber that you can't even find ammo for. Lmao |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:26:05 PM EDT
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Meh. Bolt gun = 6.5C Semi = .308WIN Different applications, IMO, for starters. The fun part of the arguments start when the 260REM and 6.5C guys start fighting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. It's not horrible, it's just ballisticly inferior to 6.5Cm/6.5x47/.260 Rem Meh. Bolt gun = 6.5C Semi = .308WIN Different applications, IMO, for starters. The fun part of the arguments start when the 260REM and 6.5C guys start fighting. You do realize CM work perfectly well in a properly built semi-auto, right? 
Secondly outside of single feeding the .260 in a bolt-action the is no advantage to using it vs 6.5CM. Literally it comes down to a .7 grain difference favoring the .260 and you have to shove the bullet into the powder collum in order to get the 260 to fit into a magazine. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:26:57 PM EDT
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308 just because every newbie who jumps into 6.5 c is making it next to impossible to get brass or loaded ammunition Well that settles it. I'm going 6.5 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:27:41 PM EDT
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Lol. Works fine for me. I doubt OP will use the 6.5 to its full advantage so why get a caliber that you can't even find ammo for. Lmao Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. Lol. Works fine for me. I doubt OP will use the 6.5 to its full advantage so why get a caliber that you can't even find ammo for. Lmao You know this internet you're posting on right now? Yeah, 6.5 CM can be found in a bunch of places as well as LGS and places like bass-pro/Cabelas..ect |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:29:10 PM EDT
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thanks for the replies guys
Made up my mind caliber wise and grateful for the help |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:29:14 PM EDT
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6.5mm is "happening" right now. Like its been mentioned there is a ton of loads, equipment, new products, expertise, being generated on it. Not just that but also ballistically the 6.5s are better. Better BCs, less recoil, short actions, and longer lives on barrels. As a young hunter I was always suprised the 6.5 Swede didnt have a larger following on this side. It was, and is, an excellent hunting cartridge and has been around a long time. I see the 6.5s really taking off even more in the future. If you get a good deal on bullets or brass I'd stock up.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:29:17 PM EDT
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Same loads, drift over 1000 yards at 10mph wind.
My opinion: .30 works. .30 can be accurate. With the data and practice from 1000 yards and less, you can do just about anything with .308 that you can do with a 6.5, but 6.5 makes it easier to do with a lower margin of error at lower recoil. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:29:56 PM EDT
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I have a Grendel so I went for 6.5C instead of .308 despite having a ton of 7.62 brass laying around. Pics are always fun <a href="http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/joecoastie99/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/IMG_20151218_165814_zps6ok43dwg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg538/joecoastie99/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/IMG_20151218_165814_zps6ok43dwg.jpg</a> That's my plan as well. Building a Grendel now, a bolt gun in Creedmoor will be next. Seems like a good pair. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:30:08 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least.
It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber.
LRRPF52 and DeltaElite are both correct, actually. The US took the lazy way out and then after getting other countries to sign onto using the .30 cal the US then dumped it for the 5.56...
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:30:17 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least.
It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber.
He's not wrong tho |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:32:44 PM EDT
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:33:44 PM EDT
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6.5 and 6.8 guns are much smaller.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:34:28 PM EDT
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So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. I used the last .30 cal bullet I used. I'd be happy to chart whatever projectile you'd prefer to see. I'd much rather dial 28 MOA than 41 MOA myself. Since I quit loading for .308 for anything but hunting, I used FGMM because the velocity is available and last I knew it was considered a standard. Give me a projectile and muzzle velocity you feel is more apples to apples and I'll chart it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:34:48 PM EDT
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I like 308..... it's a very versatile round and very plentiful. Absolutely! It's just if you want the utmost accuracy and you plan on competing, 6.5 and 6mm is where it's at. 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:34:50 PM EDT
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.308 win is a horrible round for horrible people...... that seems to be the consensus here. I've said it before, I'll say it again... over the years the .30 cal rifle bullet has set back small arms designs decades at least.
It's true. The worst thing to happens to small arms in the last century was the insistence to chamber rifles and machineguns in .30 caliber.
Yep. The Germans had the excellent 7X57... fucked up and adopted the 7.92x57. The Japanese had a superb little 6.5 cartridge, fucked up. and went with the lackluster 7.7. The Garand in .276 would have been even better than it was. The .30 Carbine round necked down to .22-.25 would have been a world beater. The Germans again fucked up the intermediate "assault rifle" cartridge buy insisting on a .30cal bullet (That cartridge with a 6-6.5mm bullet might still be in use). The Soviets did the same thing with their version of it.... |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:36:32 PM EDT
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jumping into the world of precision shooting and trying to decide caliber. We have deer rifles in .308 but it seems the newest craze is 6.5 creedmoor? -I'd like to eventually shoot 1000 yards. -I am able to reload for either caliber Which one? To make poll go to edit and click add a poll. .308
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:36:40 PM EDT
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So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. Whether you like it or not, the 6.5 bucks the wind and has less drop than your best .308 Win loading |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:38:40 PM EDT
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So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. Spit the best .308 bullet out as fast as you can, and an 18" 6.5mm will beat it for wind drift still. The biggest thing you see shooting long range is how the higher BC pills just don't like being pushed around by the wind like they do to .308. Trajectory of the .308 is like a small mortar in direct-lay mode. I have watched both side-by-side for well over a decade now, after the previous decade of watching mostly .308 and .300 Win Mag through the spotting scope, so when you get behind the 6.5mms, the first thing you notice is flatter trajectory and substantially reduced wind deflection. For bolt guns, at least here in Utah and the West, I'm seeing a trend where 6.5 Creedmoor has become the new baseline long range cartridge. There are still plenty of .308s out there, but we're finally catching up with what the Scandinavians knew in the late 1800s already with 6.5x55, and Brits and others discovered in the early 1900s with that and 6.5x54 M-S. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:40:14 PM EDT
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I used the last .30 cal bullet I used. I'd be happy to chart whatever projectile you'd prefer to see. I'd much rather dial 28 MOA than 41 MOA myself. Since I quit loading for .308 for anything but hunting, I used FGMM because the velocity is available and last I knew it was considered a standard. Give me a projectile and muzzle velocity you feel is more apples to apples and I'll chart it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. I used the last .30 cal bullet I used. I'd be happy to chart whatever projectile you'd prefer to see. I'd much rather dial 28 MOA than 41 MOA myself. Since I quit loading for .308 for anything but hunting, I used FGMM because the velocity is available and last I knew it was considered a standard. Give me a projectile and muzzle velocity you feel is more apples to apples and I'll chart it. What barrel length are we using? My loads are all from a 20" bbl. so it wouldn't be fair to compare to the superior 6.5 with a 24" bbl. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:43:15 PM EDT
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What barrel length are we using? My loads are all from a 20" bbl. so it wouldn't be fair to compare to the superior 6.5 with a 24" bbl. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. I used the last .30 cal bullet I used. I'd be happy to chart whatever projectile you'd prefer to see. I'd much rather dial 28 MOA than 41 MOA myself. Since I quit loading for .308 for anything but hunting, I used FGMM because the velocity is available and last I knew it was considered a standard. Give me a projectile and muzzle velocity you feel is more apples to apples and I'll chart it. What barrel length are we using? My loads are all from a 20" bbl. so it wouldn't be fair to compare to the superior 6.5 with a 24" bbl. I will give you 20 fps per inch, which I've found to be an accurate estimation in that velocity range. Or I'll take it away from the 6.5 whichever you prefer. So +80 fps to your MV or minus 80 from mine. After I chart, if you have the data I'd be curious to see if your real world POI is +/- where I'm calculating it would be. So lets take 80 FPS away from the 6.5. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:44:36 PM EDT
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Semi Auto: 6.5 Grendel
Bolt Gun: 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington, or 6.5x47 Lapua for barrel life in the 3000-4200 round range |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:46:08 PM EDT
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I have a Grendel so I went for 6.5C instead of .308 despite having a ton of 7.62 brass laying around. You know, I've heard you can make 6.5C from .308 brass.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:50:04 PM EDT
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I have a Grendel so I went for 6.5C instead of .308 despite having a ton of 7.62 brass laying around. You know, I've heard you can make 6.5C from .308 brass. It's not really worth it. Sell the .308 brass and buy Winchester box ammo for 6.5 Creedmoor. That brass is awesome. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:50:52 PM EDT
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Yeah that 300 Norma Magnum is a piece of shit.... There's nothing inherently wrong with a .30 cal round. I own two custom rifles LongRifles Inc. made the 308 and a diffeerent smith made the 6.5 creedmoor. Both are hammers and the Creedmoor is definitely easier to shoot at distance as it bucks the wind more. However, the 308 has 3x the barrel life and really the 6.5 Creedmoor outpaces the 308 at the outer fringes of where most people shoot. If you want to shoot 1,100+ yards regularly or shoot in PRS matches, go Creedmoor. If you're shooting less distance regularly or not in a competition environment there's nothing wrong with the 308 and you can walk into most stores and buy match ammo off the shelf. People seem to forget there's been a lot of advances in ballistics over the years AND advances in smokeless powder. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:51:14 PM EDT
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I will give you 20 fps per inch, which I've found to be an accurate estimation in that velocity range. Or I'll take it away from the 6.5 whichever you prefer. So +80 fps to your MV or minus 80 from mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is drop from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards with a 6.5 142 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2800 FPS vs a .30 168 grain Sierra MBTHP at 2650 FPS (Essentially my 6.5x55 long range handload versus Federal Gold Medal Match .308) charted in the same atmospheric conditions, rifle setup, etc. http://i64.tinypic.com/20ac5s4.jpg So you used one of the best bullets for the 6.5 and one of the worst bullets for the .308? We use scopes with elevation knobs for a reason, dialing drop. I used the last .30 cal bullet I used. I'd be happy to chart whatever projectile you'd prefer to see. I'd much rather dial 28 MOA than 41 MOA myself. Since I quit loading for .308 for anything but hunting, I used FGMM because the velocity is available and last I knew it was considered a standard. Give me a projectile and muzzle velocity you feel is more apples to apples and I'll chart it. What barrel length are we using? My loads are all from a 20" bbl. so it wouldn't be fair to compare to the superior 6.5 with a 24" bbl. I will give you 20 fps per inch, which I've found to be an accurate estimation in that velocity range. Or I'll take it away from the 6.5 whichever you prefer. So +80 fps to your MV or minus 80 from mine. OK, that is fair. My 230otm(g1 .719 /g7 .368) load is 2397fps(47.7gr w760 3.245" oal) Now of course the danger space will be reduced due to drop but wind drift won't show the huge difference you 168 chart shows. Obviously too long for mag feed but I am target shooting ,I have time to single feed |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:51:46 PM EDT
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Is that a Sierra bullet?
ETA: I'm not in any kind of competition vs those who prefer .308. I'm only interested in the data. The more data the easier for others to make their own decision. |
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