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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:28:07 AM EDT
https://youtu.be/8-Oytsl-tE0 Sig Elite 125 gr OTM fired from 8" AR15.com upper into calibrated 10% gelatin. BB calibration: 594.1 fps, 3.2" Impact velocity: 1,963 fps Penetration: Greater than 14" |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:32:48 AM EDT
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Cool, thanks for the test.
Pretty poor performance. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:33:34 AM EDT
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Cool video, thanks for posting it.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:38:16 AM EDT
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Good stuff, performed as I would expect from an OTM. Would love to see a 125gr or so Nosler ballistic tip (not sure if there are any factory offerings) since that is what I reload for my 300 BLK.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:40:25 AM EDT
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Two reactions:
1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:03:45 PM EDT
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Makes me want to go out and not buy one.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:06:52 PM EDT
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Makes me want to go out and not buy one. The 110gr Barnes bullet loads do much, much better. (I'm pretty sure this same guy does tests those as well). You'd be hard pressed to find anything in any caliber that would perform better in an 8" barrel. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:12:00 PM EDT
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Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Try shooting a plinking bullet out of a 30-30 SBR and let us know how it performs. 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:25:23 PM EDT
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Good vid OP!
Have you ever tested 125gr Hornady from that setup? My daughter an I "tested" it on two does (yummy) in 2013, just would like to see how it does in gel. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:29:53 PM EDT
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Try shooting a plinking bullet out of a 30-30 SBR and let us know how it performs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Try shooting a plinking bullet out of a 30-30 SBR and let us know how it performs. Good point. And you are right--hunting bullet out of a deer gun is not a valid comparison. I stand corrected. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:32:56 PM EDT
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.300 BLK = MEH.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:42:34 PM EDT
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Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. 300blk will shoot the same 110 grain as a 30 Carbine 300 to 400 fps faster out of 2" shorter barrel, and the BC of the bullets aren't even in the same ball park. And it's about 100 to 150fps slower than 7.62 with 125ish grain bullets. So the reason it gets compared to 7.62 is simple. It actually IS a hell of a lot closer to 7.62 performance than it is to 30 carbine performance. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:48:03 PM EDT
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300blk will shoot the same 110 grain as a 30 Carbine 300 to 400 fps faster out of 2" shorter barrel, and the BC of the bullets aren't even in the same ball park. And it's about 100 to 150fps slower than 7.62 with 125ish grain bullets. So the reason it gets compared to 7.62 is simple. It actually IS a hell of a lot closer to 7.62 performance than it is to 30 carbine performance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. 300blk will shoot the same 110 grain as a 30 Carbine 300 to 400 fps faster out of 2" shorter barrel, and the BC of the bullets aren't even in the same ball park. And it's about 100 to 150fps slower than 7.62 with 125ish grain bullets. So the reason it gets compared to 7.62 is simple. It actually IS a hell of a lot closer to 7.62 performance than it is to 30 carbine performance. I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:55:45 PM EDT
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Good video, thanks.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 1:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Ideals vs reality, my friend. The 300 blk acolytes exaggerate its performance and then people buy them and are disappointed. Happiness = Reality - Expectation. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 1:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .300 BLK = MEH. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 1:56:21 PM EDT
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.300 BLK = MEH. I usually don't hate inanimate objects, but .300 Blk is one. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 1:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I usually don't hate inanimate objects, but .300 Blk is one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .300 BLK = MEH. I usually don't hate inanimate objects, but .300 Blk is one. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:02:28 PM EDT
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.300 BLK = MEH. So, name a round that works better out on an 8" barrel...if you can. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two reactions: 1. .300 Blackout performs near .30-30 or 7.62X39?--not in that video. 2. Still lethal. Like I've said before, .300 BO is more akin to a .30 Carbine than the x39. No, it isn't. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:07:30 PM EDT
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.357 Magnum is @ +/- 90% Blackout performance. What did we achieve again?
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:09:25 PM EDT
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So, name a round that works better out on an 8" barrel...if you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 BLK = MEH. So, name a round that works better out on an 8" barrel...if you can. 5.56 50gr tsx 8" barrel on top half 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:12:12 PM EDT
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.357 Magnum is @ +/- 90% Blackout performance. What did we achieve again? And..you have a 357 magnum upper? Becuase 357 mag will feed so well in a 30 round mag? Think hard and you'll figure out what we achieved? |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:12:34 PM EDT
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.357 Magnum is @ +/- 90% Blackout performance. What did we achieve again? Make it work on an ar platform and I think you have a very solid argument. ETA...beat me by 30 seconds! |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .357 Magnum is @ +/- 90% Blackout performance. What did we achieve again? Oh SNAP Just kidding, you fail. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:24:37 PM EDT
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So, name a round that works better out on an 8" barrel...if you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 BLK = MEH. So, name a round that works better out on an 8" barrel...if you can. 5.56 50gr tsx 8" barrel on top half How's that compared to a similar 300blk round? and..at distance? (at work, or I'd look it up) 556 loses huge muzzle energy at 8", and considerable velocity. Effective range would have to suffer greatly. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:26:41 PM EDT
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I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Then I can load up those 110gr. and 125gr. hunting bullets and have a nice deer rifle. Those hunting rounds are about 37 cents a round, or about $7.40/box of 20. What's not to love? Reloading makes me love the Blackout. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:33:15 PM EDT
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How's that compared to a similar 300blk round? and..at distance? (at work, or I'd look it up) 556 loses huge muzzle energy at 8", and considerable velocity. Effective range would have to suffer greatly. Energy isn't the best indicator terminal performance. You can have two rounds with identical KE, one will be devastating and the other pretty minimal. Velocity is pretty important for temporary cavitation. The 300BLK in the video above has a somewhat marginal velocity. The 5.56 50gr is going ~2650 FPS. Out of 8" barrels, they're both short range (100 yard or so) guns, really. Expansion is just a more reliable method of getting good temporary cavity effects than yaw. As mentioned above, the TSX rounds for 300blk are great as well. 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:36:18 PM EDT
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Cool, thanks for the test.
Pretty poor performance. Bear in mind this is probably not intended to expand or fragment and is not marketed for that. It does serve well to indicate how much more hate is in a rifle FMJ, compared to even the best pistol JHP. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:37:04 PM EDT
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Good stuff, performed as I would expect from an OTM. Would love to see a 125gr or so Nosler ballistic tip (not sure if there are any factory offerings) since that is what I reload for my 300 BLK. I'm always looking for reasonably priced .300 BLK loads locally. If I see it, I'll test it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:40:34 PM EDT
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300blk will shoot the same 110 grain as a 30 Carbine 300 to 400 fps faster out of 2" shorter barrel, and the BC of the bullets aren't even in the same ball park. And it's about 100 to 150fps slower than 7.62 with 125ish grain bullets. So the reason it gets compared to 7.62 is simple. It actually IS a hell of a lot closer to 7.62 performance than it is to 30 carbine performance. Good point. People tend to conflate ".300 BLK is almost like 7.62x39mm" with ".300 BLK is exactly the same as 7.62x39mm". .300 BLK does fall short of the velocity that 7.62x39mm can produce, but not by a lot. It seems to shine at about 110 gr, whereas 7.62x39mm really struts at about 125 gr. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:41:39 PM EDT
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Wait until the .277WLV catches on more lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 BLK = MEH. I usually don't hate inanimate objects, but .300 Blk is one. Yeah, .277 Wolverine doesn't have the Freedom Group shoving it down our throats. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:53:07 PM EDT
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That's why I use 110 varmageddon for my plinking round in 300blk. I can reload them for around 30 cents a round and they still give me good performance if needed. I use the barnes 110 for hd/hunting and have used hornady 125 sst in the past to take deer. I just loaded up a bunch of 125 nosler bts and a few 125 speer tnt, which both look promising out of a 9 inch barrel.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:54:36 PM EDT
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.300 BLK does fall short of the velocity that 7.62x39mm can produce, but not by a lot. It seems to shine at about 110 gr, whereas 7.62x39mm really struts at about 125 gr. Does 7.62X39 do as well out of an 8" barrel? I'm sure someone has done the testing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, .277 Wolverine doesn't have the Freedom Group shoving it down our throats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .300 BLK = MEH. I usually don't hate inanimate objects, but .300 Blk is one. Yeah, .277 Wolverine doesn't have the Freedom Group shoving it down our throats. "If you think 6.8SPC sucks, just WAIT until you see .277WLV!!!"
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:22:14 PM EDT
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That's why I use 110 varmageddon for my plinking round in 300blk. I can reload them for around 30 cents a round and they still give me good performance if needed. I use the barnes 110 for hd/hunting and have used hornady 125 sst in the past to take deer. I just loaded up a bunch of 125 nosler bts and a few 125 speer tnt, which both look promising out of a 9 inch barrel. I've debated buying them....do you have a review? You talking about the black rounds from Noveske, right? |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I shoot .300 Blackout precisely due to cost--LOW cost. Using cast/powder coated bullets (I cast myself) I can shoot it for about 7 cents a round. That's $1.40 per box of 20. Quote HistoryQuoted: I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Let's not ignore the opportunity cost of doing that work. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:27:41 PM EDT
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Let's not ignore the opportunity cost of doing that work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Let's not ignore the opportunity cost of doing that work. Which is substantial, since this is Arfcom and everyone hear makes at least $750 an hour. 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is substantial, since this is Arfcom and everyone hear makes at least $750 an hour. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Let's not ignore the opportunity cost of doing that work. Which is substantial, since this is Arfcom and everyone hear makes at least $750 an hour. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:30:28 PM EDT
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Does 7.62X39 do as well out of an 8" barrel? I'm sure someone has done the testing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 BLK does fall short of the velocity that 7.62x39mm can produce, but not by a lot. It seems to shine at about 110 gr, whereas 7.62x39mm really struts at about 125 gr. Does 7.62X39 do as well out of an 8" barrel? I'm sure someone has done the testing. I don't have access to an 8" barrel, but 7.62x39mm does substantially better from a 10.5" barrel than .300 BLK does from an 8" barrel, FWIW.
https://youtu.be/6IvIpwDGa_s Winchester 120 gr PDX1 fired from 10.5" Zastava M92 PAP Impact velocity: 2,182 fps Penetration: 12.9" Retained weight: 111.4 gr Max expansion: 1.048" Min expansion: 0.193"
https://youtu.be/fkQ566gw_pM 122 gr Wolf HP fired from 10.5" barrel Zastava M92 PAP Impact velocity: 2,206 fps Penetration: N/A Retained weight: 108.1 gr Max expansion: 0.921" Min expansion: 0.478" |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is substantial, since this is Arfcom and everyone hear makes at least $750 an hour. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I never quite understood the hate for the 300BLK. The argument of pistol versus carbine has always ragged over home defense. Now you have a cartridge that will give 2x the power of a .40 out of a 8" barrel that uses powder very efficiently and has a capacity of 30 rounds. I'm having a hard time seeing why folks crap all over the round...the only down side I see is cost, but if you catch a sale, it's not all THAT bad. Let's not ignore the opportunity cost of doing that work. Which is substantial, since this is Arfcom and everyone hear makes at least $750 an hour. Even if you only make $50 an hour, the cost is going to come out a bit above 7 cents a round. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:40:25 PM EDT
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Someone should import an shitton of those hp Wolf bullets for our American 30 cal short.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:52:13 PM EDT
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I like it. Barnes black tips for deer hunting and 220 grain subs for home defense with the AAC can
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:54:44 PM EDT
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I have two 300blk out guns...
A 8inch that I use for home defense with a suppressor...125grain Nosler BT supers A 16 inch gun for hogs and dear with a 110 barnes Tac-Tx (I have not chrono graphed these but the 125 noslers were 2315FPS average out of this gun) Not my video.
I also shoot 220 grain subs out of the 8 inch for my night time plinking needs..
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:01:01 PM EDT
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Bear in mind this is probably not intended to expand or fragment and is not marketed for that. It does serve well to indicate how much more hate is in a rifle FMJ, compared to even the best pistol JHP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, thanks for the test.
Pretty poor performance. Bear in mind this is probably not intended to expand or fragment and is not marketed for that. It does serve well to indicate how much more hate is in a rifle FMJ, compared to even the best pistol JHP. This is a great takeaway from the test results. If a person feels a G19 with 147 HST is "adequate" for personal defense, then mediocre rifle rounds from short barrels are also "adequate". I'm not a .300 acolyte, and believe a rifle cartridge should be able to outshine a pistol, but I have not doubt the .300 could be decisive at ranges of "across my living room". |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:04:23 PM EDT
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This is a great takeaway from the test results. If a person feels a G19 with 147 HST is "adequate" for personal defense, then mediocre rifle rounds from short barrels are also "adequate". I'm not a .300 acolyte, and believe a rifle cartridge should be able to outshine a pistol, but I have not doubt the .300 could be decisive at ranges of "across my living room". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, thanks for the test.
Pretty poor performance. Bear in mind this is probably not intended to expand or fragment and is not marketed for that. It does serve well to indicate how much more hate is in a rifle FMJ, compared to even the best pistol JHP. This is a great takeaway from the test results. If a person feels a G19 with 147 HST is "adequate" for personal defense, then mediocre rifle rounds from short barrels are also "adequate". I'm not a .300 acolyte, and believe a rifle cartridge should be able to outshine a pistol, but I have not doubt the .300 could be decisive at ranges of "across my living room". Not to mention it is way way easier and faster under stress to accurately shoot a 8inch AR then it is a standard handgun for most people. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:06:01 PM EDT
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Good vid OP! Have you ever tested 125gr Hornady from that setup? My daughter an I "tested" it on two does (yummy) in 2013, just would like to see how it does in gel. I've been thinking about filling doe tags with an 8.5" .300 SBR with Barnes 110's this fall. Like from a tree stand at less than 50 yards. I just hate the thought not having a dead deer within 75 yards or so. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:07:47 PM EDT
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Someone should import an shitton of those hp Wolf bullets for our American 30 cal short. Bear in mind, that is atypical performance for Russian hollow point rifle bullets. I only included it because it's one of the few short barrel 7.62x39mm tests I have. I'd prefer a soft point for any cheap Russian rifle bullet. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .357 Magnum is @ +/- 90% Blackout performance. What did we achieve again? Yeah, I was going to post that it appears similar to 357M or 10mm. I think Oly makes a 10mm upper. I'd kind of like a 10mm AR SBR upper that uses Glock mags. Then I'd be running ammo I can use in the rifle and pistols. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:11:22 PM EDT
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I have two 300blk out guns... A 8inch that I use for home defense with a suppressor...125grain Nosler BT supers A 16 inch gun for hogs and dear with a 110 barnes Tac-Tx (I have not chrono graphed these but the 125 noslers were 2315FPS average out of this gun) Not my video.  http://youtu.be/nsRUfA1_Alw
I also shoot 220 grain subs out of the 8 inch for my night time plinking needs.. lies.. thats vid is all lies.. the 300 sux. is just that. a shitty round that needs forgotten. |
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