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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:19:39 AM EDT
New York election officials are bracing for a mess at the polls because they expect many Bernie Sanders voters will show up who can’t vote. Only registered Democrats and Republicans are allowed to cast ballots Tuesday in the closed primary, but election officials have been getting an earful from independent voters peeved the deadline to change their party registration was Oct. 9 – long before the presidential election was on their radar. “I’m going to predict that a lot of Sanders people who come from the ranks of independent voters are not actually registered Democrats and they will cause lines and waits at the poll sites while they attempt to vote affidavit ballots or obtain court orders to vote,” said John Conklin, a spokesman for the state Board of Elections. Unlike other states, New York allows only registered party members to vote in their respective primaries. So the 5.3 million registered Democrats can vote for Sanders or Hillary Clinton and the 2.6 million Republicans can vote for Donald Trump, John Kasich or Ted Cruz. But nearly 3 million independents and other party members are shut out. Judges, the NYPD and poll workers are on alert for potential chaos, officials say. Protests are planned for noon Thursday at City Hall to rail against New York’s closed primary and last year’s October deadline to change party affiliations. “Many, many people will be shut out of voting in what very well may be the most important election in a generation in New York state,” said Jeremy Gruber, senior vice president at Open Primaries, a nonpartisan group organizing the New York rally. “No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.” Link |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:23:11 AM EDT
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tough shit.
Learn about the rules. Oh, wait... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:25:31 AM EDT
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“Many, many people will be shut out of voting in what very well may be the most important election in a generation in New York state,” said Jeremy Gruber, senior vice president at Open Primaries, a nonpartisan group organizing the New York rally. “No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.” Is it too much to ask that a senior vice president of a special interest group understand how the interest in question works? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:30:41 AM EDT
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I guess folks don't know that the primary elections are administered by the state for the parties who run candidates.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:34:28 AM EDT
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What's wrong with his nose?
 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:36:24 AM EDT
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LOL
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:40:42 AM EDT
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Yet the Democrats and Republicans will want the Independents voting for them in the general election.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:44:26 AM EDT
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I guess folks don't know that the primary elections are administered by the state for the parties who run candidates. They are, quite literally, state funded and assisted elections for private organizations. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 3:53:47 AM EDT
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I was fucking at wit's end trying to explain what a closed primary was to mongoloids and retards upset they could not vote for Trump or Rubio
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:28:20 AM EDT
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LOL I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:41:10 AM EDT
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Wait until people who registered for the wrong party start trading ballots in the middle of the polling place...
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:42:31 AM EDT
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I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. You should realize that both Bernie and Trump are generating a ton of excitement which is the exact thing you need to win an election. Those same people who you denigrate now will be able to vote no matter what in the general. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:56:46 AM EDT
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:58:06 AM EDT
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You should realize that both Bernie and Trump are generating a ton of excitement which is the exact thing you need to win an election. Those same people who you denigrate now will be able to vote no matter what in the general. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. You should realize that both Bernie and Trump are generating a ton of excitement which is the exact thing you need to win an election. Those same people who you denigrate now will be able to vote no matter what in the general. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 4:59:15 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 4/14/2016 5:10:06 AM EDT
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:07:12 AM EDT
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I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:10:28 AM EDT
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I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL I guarantee it won't just be Bernie supporters bitching at the end of the day. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:31:58 AM EDT
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Wonder if this the reason trumps kids can't vote for him. They didn't get off the dem list in time. Being life long Republicans and all that.......
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:50:20 AM EDT
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I got fucked on the NYS governor primary because I was registered independent.
I had reregestered way before the primary and still couldn't vote. I had to wait for the "change" to go through until after the Governors vote. Now the wife and I are registered R. Fuck you Cuomo. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:55:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/usa-election_sanders4.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=835 New York election officials are bracing for a mess at the polls because they expect many Bernie Sanders voters will show up who can’t vote. Only registered Democrats and Republicans are allowed to cast ballots Tuesday in the closed primary, but election officials have been getting an earful from independent voters peeved the deadline to change their party registration was Oct. 9 – long before the presidential election was on their radar. "I’m going to predict that a lot of Sanders people who come from the ranks of independent voters are not actually registered Democrats and they will cause lines and waits at the poll sites while they attempt to vote affidavit ballots or obtain court orders to vote,” said John Conklin, a spokesman for the state Board of Elections. Unlike other states, New York allows only registered party members to vote in their respective primaries. So the 5.3 million registered Democrats can vote for Sanders or Hillary Clinton and the 2.6 million Republicans can vote for Donald Trump, John Kasich or Ted Cruz. But nearly 3 million independents and other party members are shut out. Judges, the NYPD and poll workers are on alert for potential chaos, officials say. Protests are planned for noon Thursday at City Hall to rail against New York’s closed primary and last year’s October deadline to change party affiliations. "Many, many people will be shut out of voting in what very well may be the most important election in a generation in New York state,” said Jeremy Gruber, senior vice president at Open Primaries, a nonpartisan group organizing the New York rally. "No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. "We’re a democracy.” Link Florida closed registration one month before the polls opened. February 15th. Voting was on March 15th. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was fucking at wit's end trying to explain what a closed primary was to mongoloids and retards upset they could not vote for Trump or Rubio |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 6:58:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's like they don't want you to vote Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:10:09 AM EDT
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Very simple to explain... The primaries are for the members of a party to select their candidate. It is not a general populace popularity contest. Registering as NPA says you don't want to be part of a party - your choice. Registering as an Independent means you are joining the Independent party (i.e., not a D or R or Green or Communist or...). If no Independent is running it is because your 'party' has decided not to select a candidate. All this 'I can't vote' crap in the primaries is stupid. Want to really see a libs head explode? Ask him how many votes have been cast to elect Hiilary, Bernis, Trump, Cruz, Santa Claus as president. The answer? ZERO! The parties are in the middle of nominations to select somebody to try and be elected. Having a popular vote in elections is a fairly recent addition to the process and is mostly moot since party delegates to the party's convention are the ones who actually choose the candidate. The individual party rules determine how long (if at all) the delegate is 'bound' to a candidate. Party's candidate, Party's rules. The General Election is where the popular vote counts for something and determines which PARTY'S candidate wins in the state (yes, this is the simplified version and I purposely left out the Electoral College process).
If you want to influence a party's choice and platform, join that party and get involved. Otherwise shut up and wait for the General Election and make your choice between the options given. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:16:51 AM EDT
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"Independents." lol |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:20:37 AM EDT
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"Independents." lol Better than In-Depends. 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:27:49 AM EDT
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Very simple to explain... The primaries are for the members of a party to select their candidate. It is not a general populace popularity contest. Registering as NPA says you don't want to be part of a party - your choice. Registering as an Independent means you are joining the Independent party (i.e., not a D or R or Green or Communist or...). If no Independent is running it is because your 'party' has decided not to select a candidate. All this 'I can't vote' crap in the primaries is stupid. Want to really see a libs head explode? Ask him how many votes have been cast to elect Hiilary, Bernis, Trump, Cruz, Santa Claus as president. The answer? ZERO! The parties are in the middle of nominations to select somebody to try and be elected. Having a popular vote in elections is a fairly recent addition to the process and is mostly moot since party delegates to the party's convention are the ones who actually choose the candidate. The individual party rules determine how long (if at all) the delegate is 'bound' to a candidate. Party's candidate, Party's rules. The General Election is where the popular vote counts for something and determines which PARTY'S candidate wins in the state (yes, this is the simplified version and I purposely left out the Electoral College process). If you want to influence a party's choice and platform, join that party and get involved. Otherwise shut up and wait for the General Election and make your choice between the options given. /thread |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:50:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very simple to explain... The primaries are for the members of a party to select their candidate. It is not a general populace popularity contest. Registering as NPA says you don't want to be part of a party - your choice. Registering as an Independent means you are joining the Independent party (i.e., not a D or R or Green or Communist or...). If no Independent is running it is because your 'party' has decided not to select a candidate. All this 'I can't vote' crap in the primaries is stupid. Want to really see a libs head explode? Ask him how many votes have been cast to elect Hiilary, Bernis, Trump, Cruz, Santa Claus as president. The answer? ZERO! The parties are in the middle of nominations to select somebody to try and be elected. Having a popular vote in elections is a fairly recent addition to the process and is mostly moot since party delegates to the party's convention are the ones who actually choose the candidate. The individual party rules determine how long (if at all) the delegate is 'bound' to a candidate. Party's candidate, Party's rules. The General Election is where the popular vote counts for something and determines which PARTY'S candidate wins in the state (yes, this is the simplified version and I purposely left out the Electoral College process). If you want to influence a party's choice and platform, join that party and get involved. Otherwise shut up and wait for the General Election and make your choice between the options given. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 8:10:33 AM EDT
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Too late. The FSA beat them to it
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Posted: 4/14/2016 8:42:44 AM EDT
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules The private clubs get to set their own rules... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 8:51:07 AM EDT
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“No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.” Screen name? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 8:52:33 AM EDT
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tough shit. Learn about the rules. Oh, wait... "So unfair!" |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 8:56:38 AM EDT
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Is it too much to ask that a senior vice president of a special interest group understand how the interest in question works? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“Many, many people will be shut out of voting in what very well may be the most important election in a generation in New York state,” said Jeremy Gruber, senior vice president at Open Primaries, a nonpartisan group organizing the New York rally. “No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.” Is it too much to ask that a senior vice president of a special interest group understand how the interest in question works? They do understand. That's why they are trying to destroy the process. Direct democracy is tyranny of the majority, and it's part of a concerted effort to destroy our republic. They know exactly what they're doing. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:18:31 AM EDT
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If you want to influence a party's choice and platform, join that party and get involved. Otherwise shut up and wait for the General Election and make your choice between the options given. Or don't give your vote to the party that didn't want it, and watch them lose. If the parties want to play all, "We're private clubs and you're not invited," that's fine. But then those party members have no grounds for complaint when their hand-picked candidate loses the general election. More than 40% of all voters are not party-aligned. Telling that many voters, "No, you can fuck off, we don't need you," seems counterproductive. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:15:13 AM EDT
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I'm independent and my state is not a closed primary and I can select a dem (red color, don't know why), rep (blue color, don't know why), green (green color) besides absent (yellow) ballot at the polls. I mention the colors as it kind of takes away from the "private" part of voting some. Anyway, what happens in a closed primary as in do you only have a choice of say in the above of Bernie and Hillary or can you do a write in if you wish for say Trump, Cruz or whomever on your ballot? It seems you can't as stated Trumps kids didn't change over in time to be able to cast a vote. Just a curiosity question.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:35:36 AM EDT
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The private clubs get to set their own rules... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules The private clubs get to set their own rules... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:39:57 AM EDT
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Wait until people who registered for the wrong party start trading ballots in the middle of the polling place... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:44:05 AM EDT
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I disagree. I think all primaries should be closed. Why should non party members get a say in the nominee of a party? That would be like having non citizens getting a vote in who runs the country.. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:50:32 AM EDT
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“No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.” These are PARTY primaries. Their primary, their rules. Feel free to write your choice in come November if they don't make the cut. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:54:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if this the reason trumps kids can't vote for him. They didn't get off the dem list in time. Being life long Republicans and all that....... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both the GOP and Democrats have weaved themselves into State Laws in such a manner as to prevent other parties from gaining ground and to control the populace. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:00:32 PM EDT
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There are fairly powerful third parties in NY on the state and local level Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I don't mind the closed primary, but the ridiculous thing is that they made the deadline for changing parties last year if you wanted to vote this year. It only takes them a couple of days to process the changes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:01:52 PM EDT
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lol...
Riots.... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:02:31 PM EDT
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That should make things quite interesting for the Republicans. Has anyone looked at how the candidates fair on closed rather than open primaries?
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:07:34 PM EDT
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That should make things quite interesting for the Republicans. Has anyone looked at how the candidates fair on closed rather than open primaries? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw where Cruz does better in closed primary states than Trump. But KY is a closed primary and Trump won here so I don't think there's any real way to say. I'm predicting Trump carrying most of the North East, and I'm saying this as a Cruz guy. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:20:38 PM EDT
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The private clubs get to set their own rules... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules The private clubs get to set their own rules... then they should organize and pay for the primary elections themselves. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:22:06 PM EDT
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then they should organize and pay for the primary elections themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules The private clubs get to set their own rules... then they should organize and pay for the primary elections themselves. Correct. That's how it was originally. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:26:51 PM EDT
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The primary should be for the party to choose their candidate. It is up to the party to balance various considerations in doing this, including the candidate's positions, history, loyalty, and electability. The purpose of the party is to influence politics by supporting candidates. It has nothing to do with backing the most popular person, but has much to do with getting the candidate that will help the party's influence the most elected.
Suppose there is a very popular personality, who does not fit either parties agenda. He could win with either parties support, but it would be an empty win for the party. Meanwhile, both parties believe they have candidates that can win and actually support the party's platform. Mr Popular should never be on the ballet. Closed primaries allow the parties to actually choose their candidates rather than be hijacked by others. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:30:19 PM EDT
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I can already hear the outraged squeals of disenfranchisement.
"The establishment stole my vote! Six months ago! By making me too lazy and ignorant to follow the rules!" |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:31:32 PM EDT
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Two parties primaries should not be held the same day, and IMHO all primaries should be open. You may live in a heavily represented area by one party and you are not of that party you should be allowed to vote IF they change the rules I do not agree with the "open" aspect. If you want to vote in the primary for a certain party, be registered for that party according to your state rules. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:38:12 PM EDT
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That should make things quite interesting for the Republicans. Has anyone looked at how the candidates fair on closed rather than open primaries? Trump typically has a rougher time in closed primaries. I can definitely see him not making 50% and losing out on quite a few delegates. |
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