New Small Arms Lubricant............U.S. Army

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - New Small Arms Lubricant............U.S. Army

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:06:43 AM EDT

Hopefully not a dupe...............

The U.S. Army is touting a new and improved lubricant for small arms ranging from the standard M4 carbine to the M240 machine gun, officials said.

"Unlike the conventional “wet lubricant” known as CLP (for cleaner, lubricant and preservative), the new product uses a dry surface treatment known as durable solid lubricant, or DSL, according to a press release on Tuesday from officials at Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey.

The push to develop the new technology dates to 2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments, including in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, if cleaning procedures weren’t followed, the release states.

The new durable solid lubricant developed by engineers at the U.S. Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center, or Ardec, uses a dry surface treatment that’s applied during the manufacturing process and has the potential to improve performance on any number of small arms while decreasing maintenance, according to the release.

Adam Foltz, an experimental engineer at the center, explained the differences in the technology.

“With typical wet lubricants, soldiers need to reapply in order for the weapon system to function properly. Soldiers also have to regularly clean off carbon residue that builds up from firing and it can be tough to clean,” he said in the release. “Our DSL has a high wear resistance and a low friction coefficient, so it’s easy to clean off anything that builds up. You can use a steel brush to knock off any residue, and you don’t even have to worry about reapplying anything.”.......................

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:12:13 AM EDT

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What unicorn farts is this?

Teflon or some shit?

CLP works just fine.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:13:32 AM EDT

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Nothing against you RDak, but I'm so tired of every year seeing a "durable solid lubricant " and it's eventual downfall, I just don't care.

Silicone, Graphite, and other "miracles" have been around for decades, this new and improved crap is nothing more than typical snake oil salesmanship.

Remember FrogLube?

the new technology dates to 2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments,

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And how the heck will this replace a good cleaning?

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:15:15 AM EDT

[#3]

I'll stick with 5w-20 synthetic.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:15:37 AM EDT

[#4]

Dry and caking is better than wet and sloppy?

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:17:28 AM EDT

[#5]

AGNTSA

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:36:31 AM EDT

[#6]

Meh, dry film lube and CLP works just fine for me.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:37:17 AM EDT

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Nothing against you RDak, but I'm so tired of every year seeing a "durable solid lubricant " and it's eventual downfall, I just don't care.

Silicone, Graphite, and other "miracles" have been around for decades, this new and improved crap is nothing more than typical snake oil salesmanship.

Remember FrogLube?

And how the heck will this replace a good cleaning?

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Nothing against you RDak, but I'm so tired of every year seeing a "durable solid lubricant " and it's eventual downfall, I just don't care.

Silicone, Graphite, and other "miracles" have been around for decades, this new and improved crap is nothing more than typical snake oil salesmanship.

Remember FrogLube?

the new technology dates to 2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments,

And how the heck will this replace a good cleaning?

No problem...........this was a semi troll post to be honest with you.

I have no idea if this stuff is good, bad, what it comes in, how to apply it, etc.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:43:54 AM EDT

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No problem...........this was a semi troll post to be honest with you.

I have no idea if this stuff is good, bad, what it comes in, how to apply it, etc.

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Nothing against you RDak, but I'm so tired of every year seeing a "durable solid lubricant " and it's eventual downfall, I just don't care.

Silicone, Graphite, and other "miracles" have been around for decades, this new and improved crap is nothing more than typical snake oil salesmanship.

Remember FrogLube?

the new technology dates to 2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments,

And how the heck will this replace a good cleaning?

No problem...........this was a semi troll post to be honest with you.

I have no idea if this stuff is good, bad, what it comes in, how to apply it, etc.

Apply it? It sounds like it's applied at manufacturing. Wasn't it Anderson or someone who produced "no lube needed" rifles for a while?

I don't know what the verdict was on those.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:45:40 AM EDT

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Apply it? It sounds like it's applied at manufacturing. Wasn't it Anderson or someone who produced "no lube needed" rifles for a while?

I don't know what the verdict was on those.

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I have no idea............just got the message in my email box with the linked article.

It does seem to be something done when the gun is made though.

Will there be an aftermarket treatment made available.............I don't know.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:49:24 AM EDT

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Infarted spectromegraphitron analysis will reveal that this is actually just powdered sugar dyed black.

Five more years of lubricant development and we'll be able to bake a cake in the field with nothing but cleaning supplies, tin foil and a bumpfire stock.

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:49:27 AM EDT

[#11]

I wonder if it's anything like the old Hoppe's Dri-Lube

Posted: 2/25/2016 4:56:47 AM EDT

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Apply it? It sounds like it's applied at manufacturing. Wasn't it Anderson or someone who produced "no lube needed" rifles for a while?

I don't know what the verdict was on those.

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Nothing against you RDak, but I'm so tired of every year seeing a "durable solid lubricant " and it's eventual downfall, I just don't care.

Silicone, Graphite, and other "miracles" have been around for decades, this new and improved crap is nothing more than typical snake oil salesmanship.

Remember FrogLube?

the new technology dates to 2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments,

And how the heck will this replace a good cleaning?

No problem...........this was a semi troll post to be honest with you.

I have no idea if this stuff is good, bad, what it comes in, how to apply it, etc.

Apply it? It sounds like it's applied at manufacturing. Wasn't it Anderson or someone who produced "no lube needed" rifles for a while?

I don't know what the verdict was on those.

Yeah it was. RF-85 or some shit like that. Verdict was it does not work for shit. Stoppages within the first 500 rounds etc.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:08:16 AM EDT

[#13]

In before Frog Lube.........

Edit: Damnit. Not even close........

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:10:30 AM EDT

[#14]

If i could sell some bullshit like that to the government we would all go on a cruise and purchase a few islands. One for shooting, one for drinking and one for holding prisoners.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:24:07 AM EDT

[#15]

NiB

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:28:54 AM EDT

[#16]

Uhhhmmm . . . No thanks . . .

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:34:34 AM EDT

[#17]

I'll stick with my left over supply of CLP from when I was in the Army...has a NSN # on it.. I wonder if I can order more when I run out.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:36:58 AM EDT

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The Breakfree CLP works just fine.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:47:10 AM EDT

[#19]

you know.. i wonder what would happen if you threw the BCG into a tumbler with a bunch of moly...

wonder if it would hold up at all

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:47:21 AM EDT

[#20]

I recently aquired a bottle of Cerakote dry film lube, haven't looked yet at application, waiting to get my mini mill fully straightened out first, all my goats started having kids, and I need to build a new shelter first.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:49:26 AM EDT

[#21]

Speaking of lube and coatings.....I was thinking today why we don't coat the inside of the upper receiver where the BCG rides with chrome, NiB, TiN....ect?

Wouldn't it be easier to clean that way? And it's not like it gets as hot or receives as much pressure as the bolt itself.

Posted: 2/25/2016 5:58:28 AM EDT

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Dry and caking is better than wet and sloppy?

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Guns should be the same as sex, wet and sloppy.

Posted: 2/25/2016 6:19:31 AM EDT

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ITT we learn about people who don't keep up on technology as applicable to coatings, as well as people who don't know much about POL.

Posted: 2/25/2016 6:20:54 AM EDT

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I don't keep up with acronyms either.

Posted: 2/25/2016 6:21:31 AM EDT

[#25]

I for one welcome our new graphene overloads.

Posted: 2/25/2016 7:50:36 AM EDT

[#26]

It will work every bit as good as the much vaunted ACU and the Vegetable Omelet MRE. Mobil 1 anybody??

Posted: 2/25/2016 7:53:41 AM EDT

[#27]

I've been using Mobil 1 grease and oil since the Fireclean thread. I also have Canola and Coconut oil in the kitchen if I run out

The Mobil one stuff I already had so no cost really.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:01:40 AM EDT

[#28]

I suspect is some variant of a Nickel Boron type coating.

READING is fundamental, its not a lube the soldier applies, its a coating applied to the part at manufacturing.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:02:47 AM EDT

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I suspect is some variant of a Nickel Boron type coating.

READING is fundamental, its not a lube the soldier applies, its a coating applied to the part at manufacturing.

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I think this is more in line with what it is.

I couldn't find out any more about it though.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:03:57 AM EDT

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It will work every bit as good as the much vaunted ACU and the Vegetable Omelet MRE. Mobil 1 anybody??

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The Advanced Combat Uniform isn't too bad (now, I think they fixed the whole crotch blowout thing), unless you meant Universal Camouflage Pattern. That... was neat.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:17:43 AM EDT

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Speaking of lube and coatings.....I was thinking today why we don't coat the inside of the upper receiver where the BCG rides with chrome, NiB, TiN....ect?

Wouldn't it be easier to clean that way? And it's not like it gets as hot or receives as much pressure as the bolt itself.

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My LWRCi upper is coated inside.

And yes, it makes it easier to clean, but it's a piston rifle so there's not much to clean anyway.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:27:19 AM EDT

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the "new" coating have been around on the civilian side long before any dod testing. Since they have been around, they also have been proven shit for the most part.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:31:14 AM EDT

[#33]

I still use LSA, getting a bit hard to find.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:32:41 AM EDT

[#34]

Wire brush? I pass.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:40:30 AM EDT

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Five more years of lubricant development and we'll be able to bake a cake in the field with nothing but cleaning supplies, tin foil and a bumpfire stock.

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That's progress I could get behind!

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:42:00 AM EDT

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That's progress I could get behind!

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Five more years of lubricant development and we'll be able to bake a cake in the field with nothing but cleaning supplies, tin foil and a bumpfire stock.

That's progress I could get behind!

Off topic but for you guys who go camping now and then..........you take the spent wood ashes and sprinkle them on the oily skillet, mix a bit of water and you have a low grade soap.

Rinse with a bit more water and VOILA............semi cleaned out pan!!

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:48:45 AM EDT

[#37]

I am going to respond to the next RFQ with my sustainable, renewable, eco-friendly gun lube. Studies have already shown that if you charge enough for it, and put it in a neat little bottle, people will buy it...

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:52:06 AM EDT

[#38]

This shit was supposed to be a feature of the m-16 when it first came out, wasn't it?

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:59:01 AM EDT

[#39]

Only took them 13 years to develop? Making the sidearm replacement program look bad.

Posted: 2/25/2016 8:59:40 AM EDT

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Infarted spectromegraphitron analysis will reveal that this is actually just powdered sugar dyed black.

Five more years of lubricant development and we'll be able to bake a cake in the field with nothing but cleaning supplies, tin foil and a bumpfire stock.

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The secretary of defense will give cooking classes as we continue to feminize life in the US. She won't be much good for anything else.

Posted: 2/25/2016 9:01:21 AM EDT

[#41]

Is it FireClean, Frog Lube or Militec?

ETA - Or NP3, Nickle Boron, Titanium Nitrride or Black T?

None of which will actually be the commercial formulations so they can avoid paying royalties to anyone.

Posted: 2/25/2016 9:07:42 AM EDT

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lubricant

get behind

Giggity.

Posted: 2/25/2016 9:08:47 AM EDT

[#43]

When I was a team leader I got so tired of having squad leaders tell my dudes about running weapons dry because of sand in Iraq. I was the heretic telling guys wetter is better. Especially the 249.