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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:01:59 PM EDT
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Trump Thread
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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:27:56 PM EDT
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Trump 2016
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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:32:44 PM EDT
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Trump 2016 I'm liking trump more and more. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:37:08 PM EDT
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Free trade has injured the blue collar worker and guess who voted Bubba in?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:37:25 PM EDT
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They took ur jerb.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 4:45:32 PM EDT
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This is the other reason Trump has been so strong. I think "Free trade" as a Republican mantra is hurting the party more than abortion, or the other excuses from moderates. Republicans used to believe in economic nationalism. I doubt the party is smart enough to change though.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:27:14 PM EDT
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They took ur jerb. People vote their wallet. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:28:31 PM EDT
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump?
He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:32:37 PM EDT
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:34:11 PM EDT
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Derka Durr!
(Where is Hughjafj?) |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:37:00 PM EDT
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I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. This!!! |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:37:33 PM EDT
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People vote their wallet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They took ur jerb. People vote their wallet. You sound like Bill Maher criticizing low income earning conservatives for opposing ACA. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. But that aside, at least he's not a criminal like Hillary is. She's like a living nightmare. God help us all if she wins in combination with a supine Congress and Supreme Court. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:38:59 PM EDT
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Free Trade as a policy sounds nice, but it isn't fair trade, and it's killed the middle class. I want fair trade, not this shit we have now. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:40:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:42:24 PM EDT
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They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Free Trade as a policy sounds nice, but it isn't fair trade, and it's killed the middle class. I want fair trade, not this shit we have now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Free Trade as a policy sounds nice, but it isn't fair trade, and it's killed the middle class. I want fair trade, not this shit we have now. Mr. "I'm going to make those companies bring their jobs back to the US?" All he's doing is talking about retaliatory tariffs? HAH. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:50:03 PM EDT
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Modern "free" trade is anything but and has little connection to the principles forwarded by Freidman, etc.
It's the big government fascist economic model we know in this country but with international partners. Still subsidized by you and I and QE3000, of course. No wonder there is a populist backlash. Even folks stupid enough to believe the "trickle down" slur used to discredit supply side economics know that something is rotten with our trade strategies and those who direct them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 5:51:58 PM EDT
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If I was president and if China has high tariffs on our goods I will place the same tariffs back on them.
Let the tariffs fall where they may. Why do you call free trade when it is a one way street? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:01:43 PM EDT
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Trump wants closed borders. Neocons want them open.
Trump wants fewer immigrants and visa workers. Neocons want more. Trump wants to protect American jobs. Neocons want outsourcing. Trump can't be bought off. Trump isn't an evangelical, which makes it more difficult to manipulate his ME foreign policy. It's no surprise that the GOPe despise him. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:02:34 PM EDT
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If I was president and if China has high tariffs on our goods I will place the same tariffs back on them. Let the tariffs fall where they may. Why do you call free trade when it is a one way street? You call it neoconservatism. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:08:25 PM EDT
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Free trade only works when both sides are playing by the rules. Only the US does and we fuck ourselves. On top of that... when nations artificially lower the price of labor, it firther fucks us.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:10:23 PM EDT
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You think Trump is a Republican? But that aside, at least he's not a criminal like Hillary is. She's like a living nightmare. God help us all if she wins in combination with a supine Congress and Supreme Court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. But that aside, at least he's not a criminal like Hillary is. She's like a living nightmare. God help us all if she wins in combination with a supine Congress and Supreme Court. I'd rather Hilary win than Bernie Sanders. Sanders Socialism would be 1 million times worse. But let's hope beyond hope neither wins. Personally though, I think whoever wins the Democrat nomination will be President. Our candidates suck and the Democrats have the numbers to steamroll us in a national election. 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:25:10 PM EDT
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Trump Thread Anti-GOPe Guy thread. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 6:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather Hilary win than Bernie Sanders. Sanders Socialism would be 1 million times worse. But let's hope beyond hope neither wins. Personally though, I think whoever wins the Democrat nomination will be President. Our candidates suck and the Democrats have the numbers to steamroll us in a national election. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican into the White House. But that aside, at least he's not a criminal like Hillary is. She's like a living nightmare. God help us all if she wins in combination with a supine Congress and Supreme Court. I'd rather Hilary win than Bernie Sanders. Sanders Socialism would be 1 million times worse. But let's hope beyond hope neither wins. Personally though, I think whoever wins the Democrat nomination will be President. Our candidates suck and the Democrats have the numbers to steamroll us in a national election. GOp strategy is to win over centerist dems while the Dems is to simply get their base to vote. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:02:36 PM EDT
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. Herr Merrrch is Jerrrb paying you?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:06:49 PM EDT
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Free trade enables higher consumption at the same spending levels.
Why are we supposed to limit consumers' purchasing power by imposing tariffs? The price of domestic goods would rise as more dollars chase less goods. American production tends to be costly due to government intervention. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:17:32 PM EDT
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I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican Conservative into the White House. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. I'm still voting for Cruz, but let's not burn the Trump bridge just yet. We have to face the reality that Trump is doing very well and has sustained his popularity through the debates. He can beat Hillary with his message. At the end of the day, our primary goal is to get a Republican Conservative into the White House. FIFY And Trump is at least fiscally conservative. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:22:41 PM EDT
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What this means is that Trump is targeting the white voter |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:36:42 PM EDT
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Free trade means a level playing field; is the playing field level, or is it twisted and warped in favor of everyone except for the Unitd States?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:52:33 PM EDT
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If I was president and if China has high tariffs on our goods I will place the same tariffs back on them. Let the tariffs fall where they may. Why do you call free trade when it is a one way street? This, other countries places stupid tariffs on US products while we do not reciprocate in kind. Leveling the playing field would be beneficial and encourage more domestic production. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:54:28 PM EDT
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You think Trump is a Republican? No, which is exactly why I'm voting for him. 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:01:33 PM EDT
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They took ur jerb. And with that one joke on South Park, an incredibly complex issue was reduced to... that. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:05:40 PM EDT
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Trump is targeting a big pool of potential voters among disaffected blue-collar workers, even if it means alienating the business community and conservative free-market advocates In other words, Trump is alienating the following core elements of the Republican coalition: 1. The "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans, that is, medium and large-sized business interests. 2. The neoliberal free-trade globalists. 3. The neoconservative international interventionists. 4. The Forbes laissez-faire government minimalists. Nobody has gone against these interests and won the Republican nomination. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:24:34 PM EDT
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In other words, Trump is alienating the following core elements of the Republican coalition: 1. The "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans, that is, medium and large-sized business interests. 2. The neoliberal free-trade globalists. 3. The neoconservative international interventionists. 4. The Forbes laissez-faire government minimalists. Nobody has gone against these interests and won the Republican nomination. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Trump is targeting a big pool of potential voters among disaffected blue-collar workers, even if it means alienating the business community and conservative free-market advocates In other words, Trump is alienating the following core elements of the Republican coalition: 1. The "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans, that is, medium and large-sized business interests. 2. The neoliberal free-trade globalists. 3. The neoconservative international interventionists. 4. The Forbes laissez-faire government minimalists. Nobody has gone against these interests and won the Republican nomination. 
Citations please. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:26:21 PM EDT
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What makes you think they won't raise what tariffs they have higher? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. When someone is being robbed they should just give the thief what ever he says he wants. It's the only way. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:30:04 PM EDT
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They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Free Trade as a policy sounds nice, but it isn't fair trade, and it's killed the middle class. I want fair trade, not this shit we have now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because other countries would never raise tariffs on our exports, right Trump? He's such a charlatan. A highly amusing charlatan. Cruz 2016. They already are, and we are not doing anything to counter it. All he is saying, is if they put 20% on our goods, we put 20% on theirs. Not a damn thing wrong with that and that's the way it should be. China puts huge tariffs on US goods, yet we put nothing on theirs, and we have a trade deficit with them to thank for it. Free Trade as a policy sounds nice, but it isn't fair trade, and it's killed the middle class. I want fair trade, not this shit we have now. 
"Free Trade" as being practiced is analogous to the flood of illegal aliens being identified in the PC media as "immigrants". |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:30:09 PM EDT
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I'm liking trump more and more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump 2016 I'm liking trump more and more. Yep |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:32:32 PM EDT
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In before Hughjafj
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:44:07 PM EDT
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In my fantasy world I'm a Rand Paul guy, but back here in the real world?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:12:21 PM EDT
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Free trade enables higher consumption at the same spending levels. Why are we supposed to limit consumers' purchasing power by imposing tariffs? The price of domestic goods would rise as more dollars chase less goods. American production tends to be costly due to government intervention. When, as a result of the effects of the fraudulent and unfair free trade policies we currently engage in, the average American is employed in low wage jobs by Walmart, and in the hospitality, or service industries, it's going to be difficult to maintain spending levels and a decent standard of living. People wonder why their generation has lower expectations than the ones that preceded their own........ask yourselves; regarding the employment of Americans, what has changed? I shouldn't bitch; I'm getting richer as the economy becomes "more efficient" ( while fucking over the American Worker) while America goes down the tubes and yet, people demand more of the same. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:25:53 PM EDT
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Many American workers want top dollar for mindless, skill-less work. Consumers should not have to subsidize Americans that aren't skilled enough to make it on their own. Most of the time, we just call that welfare.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:35:35 PM EDT
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Many American workers want top dollar for mindless, skill-less work. Consumers should not have to subsidize Americans that aren't skilled enough to make it on their own. Most of the time, we just call that welfare. American workers are historically and currently the most productive workers on the planet. Individuals who promote the sort of reguritated opinion that you have just expressed continue to make me wealthier. Thanks; I suppose. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:39:08 PM EDT
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American worker efficiency (productivity) is still the highest in the world, there are skilled workers still it's not all pizza delivery dudes and burger flippers. I would be very happy to see manufacturing return to the USA from off shore. Our economy needs it very badly.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 10:01:28 PM EDT
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American worker efficiency (productivity) is still the highest in the world, there are skilled workers still it's not all pizza delivery dudes and burger flippers. I would be very happy to see manufacturing return to the USA from off shore. Our economy needs it very badly. I don't like posting this sortof thing here but fuck it. Over the years that I owned and operated my business I put literally hundreds of millions of dollars into the economy by offering specialized services and building facilities that were not available elsewhere. I purchased millions of dollars of Cummins and Caterpillar generator sets annually and millions of dollars worth of industrial valves of all sizes, pipe of all kinds, electric pumps and motors, boilers of all sorts, lithium bromide chilers ranging from around 90 tons to 1600 tons, ancillary equipment, electrical switchgear, wire...........And I always strove to use American made because a) it was superior, and b) it was good for America. And you know what? The great majority of that stuff is no longer made in America anymore and the foreign stuff is crap. For example, 50 year service life American Made 24" boiler king and globe valves have been relaced by Chinese or Indian valves, since American made valves were no longer available anymore. The replacements have a life cycle of about 10 years, require constant service, leak like hell, and the valve hand wheels will cut your hands off if you don't wear gloves......Garbage. And don't get me started on Mexican, Chinese, or Indian pipe....its pure crap. Many manufacturing jobs have gone overseas that should have remained here in the USA. Don't blame the workers, it's all about paying a couple of dollars a day for labor rather than employ Americans. And yes; I realize thatvevery swinging dick on this board who has ever read a textbook, had a professor tell him otherwise, or regurgitates what he's been told to think, knows better than I. But I do realize where Donald Tump is coming from. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 10:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many American workers want top dollar for mindless, skill-less work. Consumers should not have to subsidize Americans that aren't skilled enough to make it on their own. Most of the time, we just call that welfare. I'd rather pay them $60k a year to do a mindless, labor intensive job, than $30k a year to burn their neighborhoods down and shoot at the police. One makes them a semi productive citizen with some skin in the game, the other makes them a leech who will spend their days reproducing or engaged in crime. Ideally they'd get paid for their worth or starve, but that's not going to happen and we all know it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 11:18:30 PM EDT
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American worker efficiency (productivity) is still the highest in the world, there are skilled workers still it's not all pizza delivery dudes and burger flippers. I would be very happy to see manufacturing return to the USA from off shore. Our economy needs it very badly. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 11:22:55 PM EDT
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Trump is my pick so far.
None of the career politicians have the balls to call shit like it is. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 11:25:27 PM EDT
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Trump is my pick so far. None of the career politicians have the balls to call shit like it is. Their donors don't allow them to. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 11:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their donors don't allow them to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is my pick so far. None of the career politicians have the balls to call shit like it is. Their donors don't allow them to. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 11:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They took ur jerb. |
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