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Posted: 10/31/2015 11:54:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2015 11:58:16 PM EDT
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I'm betting fake (or a different plane getting shot down), but if they did do it, I hope they didn't do it with American weapons.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:00:21 AM EDT
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Falling out of the air at several thousand feet because of ROPers is not a way I would want to go. RIP.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:00:55 AM EDT
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Were they shouting snackbar all the time? if NO, then I call fake. It doesn't make sense for ISIS to attack Russia since Russia wasn't really messing with them, unless they are wanting more foreign recruits; or they want the Chechens to get freaky again. Prolly SA7s from Libya.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:01:14 AM EDT
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So is this from a fighter jet?
It would take a good camera to film a jet getting hit at 30k ft |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:01:32 AM EDT
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Regardless these airliners need defensive counter measures in today's world.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:02:28 AM EDT
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Its going to be fun to watch this one work itself out. If its true that they shot it down one has to wonder where they got the arms used for the shoot down?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:02:48 AM EDT
[#7]
Fair skies and tailwinds to those onboard.
May fuck be upon those that shot it down. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:03:18 AM EDT
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I don't believe it. Aircraft was supposedly at FL310 in that video?
Not to mention the total lack of surface to air assets capable of reaching that altitude |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:03:23 AM EDT
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I'm calling BS. Unless it was a bomb on board. They don't have anything to shoot down a plane @ 30,000 ft.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:05:38 AM EDT
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But I hope Russia Nukes Raqqa regardless. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:05:43 AM EDT
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Were they shouting snackbar all the time? if NO, then I call fake. It doesn't make sense for ISIS to attack Russia since Russia wasn't really messing with them, unless they are wanting more foreign recruits; or they want the Chechens to get freaky again. Prolly SA7s from Libya. Impossible |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:05:54 AM EDT
[#12]
Looks fake as fuck
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:08:35 AM EDT
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Yeah, maybe fake. But a good one, the airliner came down in two pieces, the tail section was burnt, not the front. Just like the pics. As for armaments, anything the Libyan's had is now in the Sinai.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:09:03 AM EDT
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Were they shouting snackbar all the time? if NO, then I call fake. It doesn't make sense for ISIS to attack Russia since Russia wasn't really messing with them, unless they are wanting more foreign recruits; or they want the Chechens to get freaky again. Prolly SA7s from Libya. SA-7 has a maximum altitude effectiveness of 4500 meters. The airliner was above 30,000 ft. , or twice as high. . |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:09:22 AM EDT
[#15]
I guess Ambassador Stevens gave them the good shit.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:09:25 AM EDT
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I think the video is sketchy.
But if this is on them, if they really are responsible, and mind you I am no fan of Russia or Putin, I hope they get death rained down upon them so hard you'd need a microscope to find their body parts. The pictures of the victims... 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:10:40 AM EDT
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Libya shipped a couple manpads over that way 4 years ago. People actually call BS? I'm thinking what took the goat fuckers so long.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:11:10 AM EDT
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But I hope Russia Nukes Raqqa regardless. Seems that's what it's coming to. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:12:01 AM EDT
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Already posted here and confirmed as fake.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:12:43 AM EDT
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Libya shipped a couple manpads over that way 4 years ago. People actually call BS? I'm thinking what took the goat fuckers so long. Nothin outside of an IADS type missile is going to hit something at 30k ft |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:13:45 AM EDT
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Derp!
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:13:56 AM EDT
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Libya shipped a couple manpads over that way 4 years ago. People actually call BS? I'm thinking what took the goat fuckers so long. What system shipped by Libya is capable of bringing down an airliner at 31,000'? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:16:21 AM EDT
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In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface-to-air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns.
Many of Libya's air defence systems were destroyed during the civil war,[14] how much, if any, remained intact afterwards is unknown. Many of the anti-aircraft guns captured by rebel forces were turned on Libyan Army ground forces after being bolted onto pick up trucks.[15] SAM / Vehicle-mounted SAM system SA-7 Grail 9K31 Strela-1 SA-9 9K35 Strela-10 SA-13 S-75 Dvina SA-2 S-125 Neva/Pechora SA-3 S-200 Angara/Vega/Dubna SA-5 9K33 Osa SA-8 Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:18:59 AM EDT
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Its going to be fun to watch this one work itself out. If its true that they shot it down one has to wonder where they got the arms used for the shoot down? I know right? Who in their right mind would supply terrorists with anti-aircraft missiles. ETA - I see above nothing we handed out goes that high. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:19:24 AM EDT
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In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface-to-air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns. Many of Libya's air defence systems were destroyed during the civil war,[14] how much, if any, remained intact afterwards is unknown. Many of the anti-aircraft guns captured by rebel forces were turned on Libyan Army ground forces after being bolted onto pick up trucks.[15] SAM / Vehicle-mounted SAM system SA-7 Grail 9K31 Strela-1 SA-9 9K35 Strela-10 SA-13 S-75 Dvina SA-2 S-125 Neva/Pechora SA-3 S-200 Angara/Vega/Dubna SA-5 9K33 Osa SA-8 Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns. Manpads wont hit anything that high nor will the AAA guns, and I would think the Egyptians and IDF would be quick to notice someone lighting off search radar for a real SAM. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:21:54 AM EDT
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I know right? Who in their right mind would supply terrorists with anti-aircraft missiles? Cough...Benghazi...cough Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its going to be fun to watch this one work itself out. If its true that they shot it down one has to wonder where they got the arms used for the shoot down? I know right? Who in their right mind would supply terrorists with anti-aircraft missiles? Cough...Benghazi...cough Like what? Patriots and Standard Missiles? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:22:13 AM EDT
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If they did do it, I hope this galvanizes Russian public opinion to
rain death upon them in Old Testament style............ |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:22:31 AM EDT
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Like what? Patriots and Standard Missiles? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its going to be fun to watch this one work itself out. If its true that they shot it down one has to wonder where they got the arms used for the shoot down? I know right? Who in their right mind would supply terrorists with anti-aircraft missiles? Cough...Benghazi...cough Like what? Patriots and Standard Missiles? I should have read further before posting. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:22:59 AM EDT
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In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface-to-air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns. Many of Libya's air defence systems were destroyed during the civil war,[14] how much, if any, remained intact afterwards is unknown. Many of the anti-aircraft guns captured by rebel forces were turned on Libyan Army ground forces after being bolted onto pick up trucks.[15] SAM / Vehicle-mounted SAM system SA-7 Grail 9K31 Strela-1 SA-9 9K35 Strela-10 SA-13 S-75 Dvina SA-2 S-125 Neva/Pechora SA-3 S-200 Angara/Vega/Dubna SA-5 9K33 Osa SA-8 Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns. I think someone would notice some SAMs going off. The again, not like they have an obligation to let us know. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:23:02 AM EDT
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now?
Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:25:22 AM EDT
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:28:25 AM EDT
[#32]
an SA-5 has a ceiling of 66000 ft and that's the old ones.
ETA: at Mach 4 |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:29:32 AM EDT
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It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Even Putin cant make entire embassies disappear |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:31:33 AM EDT
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Even Putin cant make entire embassies disappear He dropped some apartment buildings on a bunch of people. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:33:59 AM EDT
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He dropped some apartment buildings on a bunch of people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Even Putin cant make entire embassies disappear He dropped some apartment buildings on a bunch of people. I knew he was muscular for his age, but he has ascended to marvel comic book villian level now? Dropping buildings on people? You know its bad when pro government posters say "false flag" |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:34:25 AM EDT
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an SA-5 has a ceiling of 66000 ft and that's the old ones. ETA: at Mach 4 Hey, that's got a history of shooting down an airliner, too. 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:35:10 AM EDT
[#37]
Yea, poke a bear with a nuclear arsenal, and a psychopath at the controls.
ISIS lacks critical thinking skills. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:35:56 AM EDT
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I knew he was muscular for his age, but he has ascended to marvel comic book villian level now? Dropping buildings on people? You know its bad when pro government posters say "false flag" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Even Putin cant make entire embassies disappear He dropped some apartment buildings on a bunch of people. I knew he was muscular for his age, but he has ascended to marvel comic book villian level now? Dropping buildings on people? You know its bad when pro government posters say "false flag" I guess you're not familiar with the origins of the Chechen wars. Hint: It wasn't velociraptors released by mujahideen killing a bunch of Russian civilians.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:39:21 AM EDT
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Hint: It wasn't velociraptors released by mujahideen killing a bunch of Russian civilians. How did we get from a passenger airliner to the chechen war? Loosening associations between concepts is a symptom of psychosis. Are you going to claim that because the USA did the Shock 'n Awe bombing in Baghdad, that we also blew up the chinese factory a few months ago? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:39:50 AM EDT
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? So what are you saying mdk? Tell me more. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:40:00 AM EDT
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Putin shoots it down and of course ISIS claims they did it and now Putin looks justified doing his thing. perfect planning.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:42:28 AM EDT
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So what are you saying mdk? Tell me more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? So what are you saying mdk? Tell me more. Since this is an airplane thread, can l make airplane sounds while spoon feeding you? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:46:06 AM EDT
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I think someone would notice some SAMs going off. The again, not like they have an obligation to let us know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface-to-air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns. Many of Libya's air defence systems were destroyed during the civil war,[14] how much, if any, remained intact afterwards is unknown. Many of the anti-aircraft guns captured by rebel forces were turned on Libyan Army ground forces after being bolted onto pick up trucks.[15] SAM / Vehicle-mounted SAM system SA-7 Grail 9K31 Strela-1 SA-9 9K35 Strela-10 SA-13 S-75 Dvina SA-2 S-125 Neva/Pechora SA-3 S-200 Angara/Vega/Dubna SA-5 9K33 Osa SA-8 Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns. I think someone would notice some SAMs going off. The again, not like they have an obligation to let us know. Isn't that area pretty remote? Even if the missile were trailered in and it was the size of a telephone pole there are some places a launch could go unseen. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:47:43 AM EDT
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I don't believe it.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:47:51 AM EDT
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Putin shoots it down and of course ISIS claims they did it and now Putin looks justified doing his thing. perfect planning. There are even looser associations with the Chechens and the apartments and the Russian public bought that. Hey, if it's enough justification to nuke the bastards, game on. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since this is an airplane thread, can l make airplane sounds while spoon feeding you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? So what are you saying mdk? Tell me more. Since this is an airplane thread, can l make airplane sounds while spoon feeding you? Since you're probably making airplane sounds anyway, you might as well kill two birds with one stone.  |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:51:19 AM EDT
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Since you're probably making airplane sounds anyway, you might as well kill two birds with one stone.
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Given that the news media knew exactly who was responsible for the Plane in Ukraine before it even hit the ground, why dont they know this one by now? Is there going to be an investigation to trace the missile back to Libya then the US? So what are you saying mdk? Tell me more. Since this is an airplane thread, can l make airplane sounds while spoon feeding you? Since you're probably making airplane sounds anyway, you might as well kill two birds with one stone.
I bet he's making dinosaur noises.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:53:05 AM EDT
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I guess you're not familiar with the origins of the Chechen wars. Hint: It wasn't velociraptors released by mujahideen killing a bunch of Russian civilians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It could just as easily have been a Russian false flag, if it was indeed a SAM. Putin has a very personal history with that sort of thing. Even Putin cant make entire embassies disappear He dropped some apartment buildings on a bunch of people. I knew he was muscular for his age, but he has ascended to marvel comic book villian level now? Dropping buildings on people? You know its bad when pro government posters say "false flag" I guess you're not familiar with the origins of the Chechen wars. Hint: It wasn't velociraptors released by mujahideen killing a bunch of Russian civilians. 
I swear, every time he posts I hear the theme music from Jurassic Park in my head. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:57:12 AM EDT
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I guess Ambassador Stevens gave them the good shit.  I guess you've spoken to some people...
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Posted: 11/1/2015 12:59:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess Ambassador Stevens gave them the good shit. |
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