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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:51:52 PM EDT
[#1]
What does the mystery case measure at?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:53:19 PM EDT
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I shot my M-1 Garand yesterday and today I was reloading the empty clips with more .30-06 ammo. I was using some de-linked military ball .30-06 I bought from the CMP. But I found two cartridges in a box of the .30-06 ammo that I do not know what they are. Here's a picture. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80189 On the left is the box the ammo came in from the CMP. The next two cartridges are .30-06 rounds. The next two are the mystery ammo. The two on the right are 7.62 X 51 NATO ball. The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Here's a headstamp of the mystery ammo. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80190 And here are the three calibers in the same order taken from above. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80191 The bullets mic out at .308. I have no idea how they got in a box of .30-06 ball. Can anyone tell me what they are? Thanks. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:53:50 PM EDT
[#3]
If O_P doesn't know, I sure as hell won't.
Tagged for curiosity. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:54:05 PM EDT
[#4]
6.8?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:55:20 PM EDT
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I shot my M-1 Garand yesterday and today I was reloading the empty clips with more .30-06 ammo. I was using some de-linked military ball .30-06 I bought from the CMP. But I found two cartridges in a box of the .30-06 ammo that I do not know what they are. Here's a picture. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80189 On the left is the box the ammo came in from the CMP. The next two cartridges are .30-06 rounds. The next two are the mystery ammo. The two on the right are 7.62 X 51 NATO ball. The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Here's a headstamp of the mystery ammo. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80190 And here are the three calibers in the same order taken from above. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80191 The bullets mic out at .308. I have no idea how they got in a box of .30-06 ball. Can anyone tell me what they are? Thanks.
That was my first thought. But I think OP knows his stuff |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:56:54 PM EDT
[#6]
What's the Czech intermediate round? 7.62x45? Could it be that?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:56:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I shot my M-1 Garand yesterday and today I was reloading the empty clips with more .30-06 ammo. I was using some de-linked military ball .30-06 I bought from the CMP. But I found two cartridges in a box of the .30-06 ammo that I do not know what they are. Here's a picture. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80189 On the left is the box the ammo came in from the CMP. The next two cartridges are .30-06 rounds. The next two are the mystery ammo. The two on the right are 7.62 X 51 NATO ball. The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Here's a headstamp of the mystery ammo. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80190 And here are the three calibers in the same order taken from above. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80191 The bullets mic out at .308. I have no idea how they got in a box of .30-06 ball. Can anyone tell me what they are? Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:57:58 PM EDT
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6.8? Looks like 6.8 at a glance. And has Lake City stamp. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:58:01 PM EDT
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:58:45 PM EDT
[#10]
Never mind
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:59:28 PM EDT
[#11]
.308x1.5" Barnes?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:00:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Looks like 30-06, then 308, then 8x57.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:00:19 PM EDT
[#14]
That's kind of scary too. Good thing you noticed it.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:01:00 PM EDT
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What's the Czech intermediate round? 7.62x45? Could it be that? That was my thought, but the bullet isn't seated deep enough for that. 7.62x45 looks like a slightly stretched 7.62x39 round, almost has a "I'm wearing a turtleneck" look. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:02:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Far right looks 8mm, Middle looks like 7.62x51
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:02:46 PM EDT
[#17]
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They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Agreed. Look at the OAL compared to the 30.06. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:02:56 PM EDT
[#18]
Let's see all the headstamps.
The cartridges in the middle sure look like .308/7.62x51 to me.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:02:58 PM EDT
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Far right looks 8mm, Middle looks like 7.62x51 Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:04:54 PM EDT
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That was my thought, but the bullet isn't seated deep enough for that. 7.62x45 looks like a slightly stretched 7.62x39 round, almost has a "I'm wearing a turtleneck" look. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the Czech intermediate round? 7.62x45? Could it be that? That was my thought, but the bullet isn't seated deep enough for that. 7.62x45 looks like a slightly stretched 7.62x39 round, almost has a "I'm wearing a turtleneck" look. It's a Tactical Turtleneck, a Tactineck. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:04:56 PM EDT
[#21]
nope, not it
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:05:12 PM EDT
[#22]
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Looks like 6.8 at a glance. And has Lake City stamp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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6.8? Looks like 6.8 at a glance. And has Lake City stamp. 6.8 mics out to .277 |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:05:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Is it a spotter round of some sort?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:05:51 PM EDT
[#24]
7.65 Argentine, perhaps.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:05:54 PM EDT
[#25]
30-06, .308, 30-06 converted to 8mm
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:08:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Looks like 30-06 (7.62x63), .308 (7.62 x 51) and 8mm Mauser from here.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:10:14 PM EDT
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Looks like 30-06 (7.62x63), .308 (7.62 x 51) and 8mm Mauser from here. 8mm mics out at .323 |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:10:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.65 Argentine, perhaps. 7.65x53 would only be 2mm longer (case length) than 7.62x51. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:11:48 PM EDT
[#29]
I'm going with 7x46 UIAC http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/04/07/7x46mm-uiac-universal-intermediate-assault-cartridge/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:11:54 PM EDT
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7.65x53 would only be 2mm longer (case length) than 7.62x51. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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7.65 Argentine, perhaps. 7.65x53 would only be 2mm longer (case length) than 7.62x51. It's a strange one. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:13:36 PM EDT
[#31]
Was going to say a wildcatted round of some sort, but the red primer sealant looks LC factory.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:14:19 PM EDT
[#32]
LC91??? That's really throwing me off.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:14:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Something that O_P does NOT know???
Maybe all the doomsday nuts were right
In for the learning opportunity
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:15:32 PM EDT
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o Agreed. Look at the OAL compared to the 30.06. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Agreed. Look at the OAL compared to the 30.06. I agree too. There's about 1/2" difference in case length. If those grid squares are 1/4" then it appears there is 1/2" difference between left and center. Only 1/4" difference between left and right |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:16:02 PM EDT
[#35]
7.5x54 French?
No idea if LC ever produced that round but it seems unlikely. I am curious to see a definitive answer. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:16:11 PM EDT
[#36]
7.62x45?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:16:18 PM EDT
[#37]
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They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. I was mistaken. I don't know how 2 8mm rounds got in that box, but that's what they are. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:17:27 PM EDT
[#38]
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They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box.
They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Agreed. The two in the middle are 7.62x51. Look at the case length in relation to the neck of the 30-06 round. 308 Win OAL is 2.015;30-06 neck starts at 2.109. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:18:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Need pics of each case with calipers
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:18:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Spotter rounds of some sort?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:18:50 PM EDT
[#41]
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7.65 Argentine, perhaps. That would be longer than 7.62 NATO. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. The two in the middle are 7.62x51. Look at the case length in relation to the neck of the 30-06 round. 308 Win OAL is 2.015;30-06 neck starts at 2.109. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The two on the right are most certainly not 7.62x51 NATO. They look more like 8mm (7.92mm) x 57 Mauser. The two in the middle look like 7.62x51 NATO. Nope, they are 7.62 X 51 NATO. Took them right out of a box. They must've been in the wrong box too. The two, in the first photo, on the far right....are NOT 7.62 NATO. Agreed. The two in the middle are 7.62x51. Look at the case length in relation to the neck of the 30-06 round. 308 Win OAL is 2.015;30-06 neck starts at 2.109. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:20:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Mystery solved. I'm goofy.
Thanks for all the help. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:21:09 PM EDT
[#44]
The two rounds on the right are NOT 7.62x51 NATO.
Mic the case length and see. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:21:57 PM EDT
[#45]
It's like a safe thread that started with an open safe.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:22:22 PM EDT
[#46]
What is the O.A.L.?
Experimental Prototype round, can't recall the designation, an in between the 5.56-7.62. Less weight, still more power. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:23:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the Czech intermediate round? 7.62x45? Could it be that? Thinking this. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:23:10 PM EDT
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How does it look next to a 7.62 x 39? It looks like a 7.62x40or45
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:25:34 PM EDT
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So, from left to right, 7.62x63, 7.62x51 and 7.92x57... AKA .30-06, 7.62 NATO and 8mm Mauser. Mystery solved.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:27:04 PM EDT
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So, from left to right, 7.62x63, 7.62x51 and 7.92x57... AKA .30-06, 7.62 NATO and 8mm Mauser. Mystery solved. So we got trolled? cuz it sure as hell seems like a 308 win |
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