How did Germany quickly recover from WW2, but Africa can't get it together?

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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:58:32 PM EDT

So lets see where Germany was immediately after ww2 in 1945:

- Most of the country bombed to shit, including infrastructure, factories, not to mention residential

- Huge number of males age 18-35 killed in action (Most important demographic decimated)

- Government collapsed

- Country split into two, east and west, each under different systems of administration

- Entire world pissed as shit at Germany for starting ww2, including superpowers Russia, USA, UK, etc, not mention Nazi warcrimes like holocaust

- massive debts owed to countries for starting the war

Now, barely two generations later 2015, Germany is an economic world superpower, incredible standards of living, very high HDI (human development Index), high GPD

so Germany can turn around this fast from such a dire situation and you're telling me there are African countries who have been independent for 200 years, with billions of dollars of aid thrown at them and they still cant provide clean drinking water for their citizens?

-copied from misc-

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:01:05 PM EDT

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They also had to deal with the Russian shit holes.

Africa is just full of shit.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:01:52 PM EDT

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This thread is so racist.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:25 PM EDT

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My brother once put it this way...

Please explain how the zebra was never domesticated.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:27 PM EDT

[#4]

Because Germany is inhabited by Germans.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:30 PM EDT

[#5]

Because white people

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:38 PM EDT

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Tribal cultures, subjugated by imperialism, poorly prepared for freedom, set in a world with borders designed by European idiots.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:48 PM EDT

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You mean it's full of some of the most dense natural resources in the entire world?

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:03:08 PM EDT

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Cauuuuuuuuuse..... Germany's full of Germans and .........

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:04:04 PM EDT

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The problem with Africa is it is full of Africans.....that has got to be a quote.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:04:39 PM EDT

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Safest answer

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:04:41 PM EDT

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This.

For the record, North Africans (Egyptians, Carthaginians, Numidians, etc..) were some of the most advanced peoples in the Ancient World for the longest time.

Sub-Saharan Africans....not so much, aside from a few notable exceptions.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:05:28 PM EDT

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Just like the Middle East!

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:05:42 PM EDT

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There have been humans living in Africa longer than anywhere else on Earth, yet they're one of the least developed regions.

They'd be even worse off if colonialism hadn't happened.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:40 PM EDT

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I know someone that has done work in Africa and he basically said that everyone they dealt with there was trying to either cheat them, or kill them. He said that they do want success but they don't want to work for it as it would be easier to steal or kill for it. No concept or value of long term investment.
Basically just give it to me now.

Beautiful country and if they could ever get their shit together they could be a huge power in the world with all their resources, but they're impatient.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:48 PM EDT

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For the record, North Africans (Egyptians, Carthaginians, Numidians, etc..) were some of the most advanced peoples in the Ancient World for the longest time.

Sub-Saharan Africans....not so much, aside from a few notable exceptions.

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My brother once put it this way...

Please explain how the zebra was never domesticated.

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For the record, North Africans (Egyptians, Carthaginians, Numidians, etc..) were some of the most advanced peoples in the Ancient World for the longest time.

Sub-Saharan Africans....not so much, aside from a few notable exceptions.

They have advanced in leaps and bounds, I mean look at the Egypt's new space station.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:57 PM EDT

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The environmental stresses placed on European humans created a heartier, more capable strain.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:07:25 PM EDT

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I knew Africa's problems were somehow caused by Europe!

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:07:31 PM EDT

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Between that and the whole running around in loin cloths hunting with spears while the rest of the world was entering the industrial revolution. That kind of speaks to the different cultural mindsets. Innovate and expand vs. This is how we've always done it.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:07:45 PM EDT

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Africa is not a country.

It is a bazzillon little shit countries that don't like each other.

Like South America on steroids.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:08:24 PM EDT

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Because they have brains, skills, motivation, and pride in themselves and their culture.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:08:55 PM EDT

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The trouble with Africa is...

Extrapolate that as far as you need to.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:09:25 PM EDT

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Someone posted a term his college professor used to explain how people in the tropics or sub-tropics never advanced. It dealt with the climate not trying to freeze them to death or starve them to death for months of the year.

Surplus of something....whatever.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:09:45 PM EDT

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Op are you a white supremacist?

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:10:14 PM EDT

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Just like the Middle East!

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Tribal cultures, subjugated by imperialism, poorly prepared for freedom, set in a world with borders designed by European idiots.

Just like the Middle East!

Yep, great comparison. Look how the Middle East is doing. Only thing helping them is readily accessible oil that barely has to travel a few hundred miles before being loaded into ships.

Kind of like the various nations of the Americas, they too are all sorts of fucked up because of European imperialism and colonialism. Asia too.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:10:54 PM EDT

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Uh, Marshall Plan. Starring George Marshall

No Marshall Plan for Africa.

Africa is a continent, Germany a country. Africa had little techology expertise. Germany had a lot of human resources of vast experience and ability.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:10:57 PM EDT

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One of these things is not like the other.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:12:25 PM EDT

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Geography of Germany is night and day different than Africa.

In Africa, you don't have a lot of mountains that feed rivers down into valleys with high precipitation yearly, with deep sea ports near the mouths of those rivers.

In Africa, you don't have people united by common language integrated with their industries, supporting each other well-quite the contrary.

The US also didn't take any of the nations of Africa under her protective wing, commit to rebuilding, and maintain security to the present day.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:12:26 PM EDT

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As for northern Africa and the middle east Islam is the reason those countries/region will always be crap holes.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:13:01 PM EDT

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Because Germany has DIVERSITY on it's side. Africa does not.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:14:04 PM EDT

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The Marshall Plan dealt with all of Western Europe.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:15:47 PM EDT

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Africa is full of Africans. That is why they always win.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:16:10 PM EDT

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There have been humans living in Africa longer than anywhere else on Earth, yet they're one of the least developed regions.

They'd be even worse off if colonialism hadn't happened.

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Tribal cultures, subjugated by imperialism, poorly prepared for freedom, set in a world with borders designed by European idiots.

There have been humans living in Africa longer than anywhere else on Earth, yet they're one of the least developed regions.

They'd be even worse off if colonialism hadn't happened.

...or, one could say they've done a great job of conserving their land's natural beauty!

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:18:12 PM EDT

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Final answer. comparing an African country to a European one is like comparing a horse drawn plow to the space shuttle.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:19:01 PM EDT

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"I can add." - Jack Swigert

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:19:36 PM EDT

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Please explain the effect this has on domesticating the zebra. I argued with my brother about this. He said do you think for a minute that if the U.S. had a zebra population that they wouldn't at least be pulling wagons. I had to yield to his logic.

I have no explanation why Africa doesn't look like Germany and the zebra is still a wild animal.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:20:00 PM EDT

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Culture.

Unfortunately that same culture is committing suicide.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:20:50 PM EDT

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genetics...

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:20:58 PM EDT

[#38]

You know who discusses race more than the left?

Arfcom.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:21:02 PM EDT

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Gonna go with this.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:21:06 PM EDT

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I'm not touching this one with a scat porn DVD.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:22:01 PM EDT

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I know someone that has done work in Africa and he basically said that everyone they dealt with there was trying to either cheat them, or kill them. He said that they do want success but they don't want to work for it as it would be easier to steal or kill for it. No concept or value of long term investment.
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Oh, you mean just like, um, never mind.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:22:17 PM EDT

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Someone posted a term his college professor used to explain how people in the tropics or sub-tropics never advanced. It dealt with the climate not trying to freeze them to death or starve them to death for months of the year.

Surplus of something....whatever.

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The environmental stresses placed on European humans created a heartier, more capable strain.

Someone posted a term his college professor used to explain how people in the tropics or sub-tropics never advanced. It dealt with the climate not trying to freeze them to death or starve them to death for months of the year.

Surplus of something....whatever.

http://www.amazon.com/Race-Evolution-Behavior-History-Perspective/dp/0965683621/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440814574&sr=1-1&keywords=race+evolution+and+behavior

Race, Evolution and Behavior: A Life History Perspective---Mass Market Paperback, by J. Philippe Rushton (Author)

Using evidence from psychology, anthropology, sociology and other scientific disciplines, this book shows that there are at least three biological races (subspecies) of man Orientals (i.e., Mongoloids or Asians), Blacks (i.e., Negroids or Africans), and Whites (i.e., Caucasoids or Europeans). There are recognizable profiles for the three major racial groups on brain size, intelligence, personality and temperament, sexual behavior, and rates of fertility, maturation and longevity. The profiles reveal that, ON AVERAGE, Orientals and their descendants around the world fall at one end of the continuum, Blacks and their descendants around the world fall at the other end of the continuum, Europeans regularly fall in between. This worldwide pattern implies evolutionary and genetic, rather than purely social, political, economic, or cultural causes.

Even mentioning that this book existed almost got me thrown out of my Sociology class.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:23:11 PM EDT

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This.

For the record, North Africans (Egyptians, Carthaginians, Numidians, etc..) were some of the most advanced peoples in the Ancient World for the longest time.

Sub-Saharan Africans....not so much, aside from a few notable exceptions.

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My brother once put it this way...

Please explain how the zebra was never domesticated.

This.

For the record, North Africans (Egyptians, Carthaginians, Numidians, etc..) were some of the most advanced peoples in the Ancient World for the longest time.

Sub-Saharan Africans....not so much, aside from a few notable exceptions.

But they are both pure and lazy humans

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:23:41 PM EDT

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I seen monkeys throwing sticks at a lion and they looked like they were
using the wrong hand. Kinda threw like a girl.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:24:30 PM EDT

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Yes it was...

Sheena was an african

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:26:26 PM EDT

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Germany didn't fully recover until the 1980s but Africa suffers from many ails that will take along time to fix.

Few African countries have a stable government to enforce contracts which is the bedrock for economic growth.

Sub Saharan Africa was essentially thrust into the future with colonialism. They were 10000 years behind the europeans.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:27:45 PM EDT

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http://www.amazon.com/Race-Evolution-Behavior-History-Perspective/dp/0965683621/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440814574&sr=1-1&keywords=race+evolution+and+behavior

Race, Evolution and Behavior: A Life History Perspective---Mass Market Paperback, by J. Philippe Rushton (Author)

Even mentioning that this book existed almost got me thrown out of my Sociology class.

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The environmental stresses placed on European humans created a heartier, more capable strain.

Someone posted a term his college professor used to explain how people in the tropics or sub-tropics never advanced. It dealt with the climate not trying to freeze them to death or starve them to death for months of the year.

Surplus of something....whatever.

http://www.amazon.com/Race-Evolution-Behavior-History-Perspective/dp/0965683621/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440814574&sr=1-1&keywords=race+evolution+and+behavior

Race, Evolution and Behavior: A Life History Perspective---Mass Market Paperback, by J. Philippe Rushton (Author)

Using evidence from psychology, anthropology, sociology and other scientific disciplines, this book shows that there are at least three biological races (subspecies) of man Orientals (i.e., Mongoloids or Asians), Blacks (i.e., Negroids or Africans), and Whites (i.e., Caucasoids or Europeans). There are recognizable profiles for the three major racial groups on brain size, intelligence, personality and temperament, sexual behavior, and rates of fertility, maturation and longevity. The profiles reveal that, ON AVERAGE, Orientals and their descendants around the world fall at one end of the continuum, Blacks and their descendants around the world fall at the other end of the continuum, Europeans regularly fall in between. This worldwide pattern implies evolutionary and genetic, rather than purely social, political, economic, or cultural causes.

Even mentioning that this book existed almost got me thrown out of my Sociology class.

His professor coined a term, he posted it here several years ago. Surplus of Harsh Environment or Deficit of Moderate...I do not even know if I am close. It was in a thread about Hawaii and it turned to how come the Hawaiians or Polynesians never really advanced beyond what would be considered a hunter/fishing/gathering existence...Answer, they did not have too.

Posted: 8/28/2015 10:27:47 PM EDT

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Did I make it in before the "Africa has a couple nice cities and you're all racist and would be smart like me if you visited one of the few really nice cities built by Europeans in Africa but you're just racist " crowd?