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Posted: 8/27/2015 7:20:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:00:27 PM EDT
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Yeah, I remember the PC 3rd Gen guns.
I remember a 4006 with a 4 5/8" barrel that had a single port comp, mag well funnel, and 13 round magazines, among many, many other iterations or 3rd Gen Pistols. I thought, "some day". Damn tupperware. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:04:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I remember the PC 3rd Gen guns. I remember a 4006 with a 4 5/8" barrel that had a single port comp, mag well funnel, and 13 round magazines, among many, many other iterations or 3rd Gen Pistols. I thought, "some day". Damn tupperware. This work of art?  I want one sooooo bad! |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:26:12 PM EDT
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The agencies that tried them around here gave up after the 2 year mark because after the first year they were having a 10-20% rate of parts breakage during training, every time they trained. The average cop shoots what, 500 rounds a year at most? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:33:49 PM EDT
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That guy could throw a brick and be better at it than anyone.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:35:01 PM EDT
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This work of art? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SWPCTactical40A.jpg~original I want one sooooo bad! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I remember the PC 3rd Gen guns. I remember a 4006 with a 4 5/8" barrel that had a single port comp, mag well funnel, and 13 round magazines, among many, many other iterations or 3rd Gen Pistols. I thought, "some day". Damn tupperware. This work of art? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SWPCTactical40A.jpg~original I want one sooooo bad! What differentiates the ones that are labeled "tactical?" |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:35:56 PM EDT
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Is OP jealous of a 9mm?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What differentiates the ones that are labeled "tactical?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, I remember the PC 3rd Gen guns. I remember a 4006 with a 4 5/8" barrel that had a single port comp, mag well funnel, and 13 round magazines, among many, many other iterations or 3rd Gen Pistols. I thought, "some day". Damn tupperware. This work of art? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SWPCTactical40A.jpg~original I want one sooooo bad! What differentiates the ones that are labeled "tactical?"  |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is OP jealous of a 9mm? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:50:52 PM EDT
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The agencies that tried them around here gave up after the 2 year mark because after the first year they were having a 10-20% rate of parts breakage during training, every time they trained. The average cop shoots what, 500 rounds a year at most? More like 50. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:58:27 PM EDT
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Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:13:34 PM EDT
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I had one back in 1989 or 1990 when i think it first came out and it was the worst shooting gun i ever owned till i had the adjustable rear sight replaced.
It had a flaw in the rear sight that had some play in the adjustment so every shot it changed the sight picture. I regret ever getting rid of it but the rear sight did it in for me, my dumb ass traded it for a Iver Johnson 44 mag. 
From what i remember it felt great in my hand and good trigger pull never any problems other than the rear sight but back then i was shooting pistols at 50 yards and actually aimed so needed the rear sight to actually work. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:16:51 PM EDT
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I'm jealous of Jerry for many reasons. One reason is the fact that all I have is a 6906.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg They even made it in a defensive load.  |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:19:37 PM EDT
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The .356 TSW was a great round on paper. What a shame the venue it was made for banned its use. They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg Smith's 41 AE
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:34:03 PM EDT
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What differentiates the ones that are labeled "tactical?" Slide and frame machined together and kept together throughout production - IOW, tighter slide/frame fit tolerances. Usually trigger/hammer/sear were better fitted. Not the one-at-a-time hand-fitted-from-oversized-parts of a Performance Center (PC) gun, but a noticeable step up from a non-TSW gun. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:36:09 PM EDT
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:37:36 PM EDT
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:39:23 PM EDT
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The .356 TSW was a great round on paper. What a shame the venue it was made for banned its use. They even made it in a defensive load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg They even made it in a defensive load. .356 TSW would be fun to shoot occasionally but I'd get more use out of the 9mm barrel you could get for them. (Not anymore) I don't know if you've ever had the chance to handle one of these guns or a 845 or 952 (Or other similar PC guns ). But they are exceptional. The fit, finish, and the triggers on them are awesome. SAO not DA/SA like most other 3rd gens. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:42:59 PM EDT
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659? good or bad?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:43:36 PM EDT
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What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:44:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy could throw a brick and be better at it than anyone. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:44:35 PM EDT
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Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. CZs are in production. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:47:03 PM EDT
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What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:48:07 PM EDT
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That guy could throw a brick and be better at it than anyone. It's a good thing he lives where it doesn't snow. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:48:42 PM EDT
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. CZs are in production. CZs were underground until a few years ago in the US, and nobody really wanted them over tupperware, Sigs, and Berettas. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:51:59 PM EDT
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CZs were underground until a few years ago in the US, and nobody really wanted them over tupperware, Sigs, and Berettas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. CZs are in production. CZs were underground until a few years ago in the US, and nobody really wanted them over tupperware, Sigs, and Berettas. CZ was a gun most people had not heard about, and once people learned the quality you could get for the price, their popularity boomed.. Now it is one of the most copied designs out there. Not sure what it "hipster" about it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:54:19 PM EDT
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Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. Never even tried a SW auto. I was referring to the "CZ" part of the post. CZ's popularity has everything to do with the quality you get, not to mention they can be carried cocked and locked or in DA/SA mode, not to mention the slide in frame system gives you a very tight lock up. Seriously, my factory 75 compact was tighter from the factory than some 1911's that cost 3x the money...and I love 1911's. When you try to shake it, it feels like it is one solid piece of steel. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:02:09 PM EDT
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659? good or bad? Full size 2nd gen stainless double stack 9mm. I believe. Buddy has one. I believe it has a front sight that's milled into slide. Has screw on grip panels. 3rd gen introduced the uni-molded plastic grip/mainspring housing. Nothing particularly special or bad about it. I'd say good or bad depends on condition, price, and your own personal feeling when it's in your hand. 3rd gen models for me, actually I prefer the TSW line, for the non-PC models. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:13:29 PM EDT
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Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. Summit gun broker had a pile of TSWs for a long time. I think they were listed for $3-400? Everyone I knew told me to stay away from 3rd gen Smiths, because they sucked. There seems to have been a resurgence in popularity lately. They still don't get me excited though. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:19:47 PM EDT
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CZ was a gun most people had not heard about, and once people learned the quality you could get for the price, their popularity boomed.. Now it is one of the most copied designs out there. Not sure what it "hipster" about it. Countless CZ copies exist because the CZ-75 had no patent protection in ComBloc Czechoslovakia. It was cheaper to clone a CZ than pay licensing fees for other designs. They are hipster because they were relatively unknown in the US, are vintage designs, are different, and those qualities are hipster. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:43:36 PM EDT
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I went through Firearms Instructor school with a couple of CHippieS that had third-gen 40's. They had to have range staff bring them out new funs to replace the malfunctioning 4005's they carried. Third Gen Smiths were steaming piles of shit compared to the Sig-Sauers, Glocks, HKs, and Berettas they competed against. Note, he is using a Performance Center 5906; never did a stock Smith win an accuracy competition in my county.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 6:23:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 659? good or bad? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 6:26:31 AM EDT
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The agencies that tried them around here gave up after the 2 year mark because after the first year they were having a 10-20% rate of parts breakage during training, every time they trained. The average cop shoots what, 500 rounds a year at most? This. I was a S&W 4006 armorer. I hated those fucking guns. 
There is a reason only two departments in this nation issue the S&W third gen guns. Yes it's about cost. and 3rd gen guns are a nightmare to support in parts and parts breakage repair. Our department spent as much on parts and support of S&W 3rd gen guns to the point it was fiscally irresponsible. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:06:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The .356 TSW was a great round on paper. What a shame the venue it was made for banned its use. They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg I just saw one of those sell for $1,100 +/- never seen one before |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:10:41 AM EDT
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This. I was a S&W 4006 armorer. I hated those fucking guns.
There is a reason only two departments in this nation issue the S&W third gen guns. Yes it's about cost. and 3rd gen guns are a nightmare to support in parts and parts breakage repair. Our department spent as much on parts and support of S&W 3rd gen guns to the point it was fiscally irresponsible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The agencies that tried them around here gave up after the 2 year mark because after the first year they were having a 10-20% rate of parts breakage during training, every time they trained. The average cop shoots what, 500 rounds a year at most? This. I was a S&W 4006 armorer. I hated those fucking guns.
There is a reason only two departments in this nation issue the S&W third gen guns. Yes it's about cost. and 3rd gen guns are a nightmare to support in parts and parts breakage repair. Our department spent as much on parts and support of S&W 3rd gen guns to the point it was fiscally irresponsible. But steel! But heavy! That automatically means good!
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:14:56 AM EDT
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Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg Meh. .356 TSW is a dead gamer caliber. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:25:32 AM EDT
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3rd Gen S&Ws?
Good shooters, American designed, American made, excellent Customer Service, and prices are headed up. Stuff like that makes a difference to me. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1764401_Smith_and_Wesson_repaired_my_25_year_old_pistol_under_warranty.html&page=1 |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:28:08 AM EDT
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The agencies that tried them around here gave up after the 2 year mark because after the first year they were having a 10-20% rate of parts breakage during training, every time they trained. The average cop shoots what, 500 rounds a year at most? That is weird the agencies around here loved them.The dept. I worked for carried them for almost 15 years about (400guns), the city agency (500+ guns) was also about 15 years..I know a former city armorer and he absolutely called them bulletproof. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:43:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:46:22 PM EDT
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The .356 TSW was a great round on paper. What a shame the venue it was made for banned its use. They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice PC 3rd gen , but I'd prefer one of these. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/terrypopkin/3566Limitedcomp.jpg They even made it in a defensive load. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/5422154836/7141059/20abbd0c1c0bfdde35b48cd15e4d51f3.jpg IPSC? (I Play at Shooting Cardboard?) I thought the whole purpose of it was to get around the 9mm minor/major thing. .38 supers, 9x21s were the other ways of "getting around" it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:47:33 PM EDT
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I really like the s&w 3rd gens
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:48:56 PM EDT
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What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Uhm....not all steel. Receiver is aluminum alloy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhm....not all steel. Receiver is aluminum alloy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Uhm....not all steel. Receiver is aluminum alloy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:50:34 PM EDT
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Nobody wanted them when they were in production, but they are popular now. Yeah, they are popular now because they were CHEAP and people figured out that they were actually pretty decent guns. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:54:54 PM EDT
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Uhm....not all steel. Receiver is aluminum alloy. Well then, I stand corrected. All of the ones I've shot/handled were aluminum alloy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:04:23 PM EDT
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659? good or bad? 2nd generation gun. My issued duty gun for several years. A good, solid weapon, though heavy. The hammer spring is removed in a similar fashion to a 1911 main spring and has a barrel bushing, grip panels and grip screws; all similar to a 1911. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:05:57 PM EDT
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That guy could throw a brick and be better at it than anyone. I was going to come on and say about the same thing 
But then again I have a lot of respect for the gentleman and this gun seems to impress him favorably so I am making a note to watch out for the Performance Center autos. You have to respect a guy who works so hard at being good at what he does but you also have to chuckle when he just always seems to be having a good time at it along the way. I have had the pleasure of meeting the guy a couple of times when he was doing demos and he is one interesting character. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:11:51 PM EDT
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I had a PC 4006, it was the most expensive handgun I had ever owned at the time. It took forever to get it but I did love it sooo much!
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:13:47 PM EDT
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Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3rd gen Smiths are quickly replacing CZs as the new hipster guns. What is hipster about a gun that is all steel construction, and competes in price with polymer framed guns? Just because it isn't a Glock or M&P doesn't make it a "hipster gun." Bulky, heavy, backwards slide mounted safety, DA/SA trigger... S&W couldn't give them away so they discontinued them. Dealers and distributers were selling used ones for chump change. Nobody wanted them a few years ago but now they're "cool" becuase they're the opposite of what's popular. Like vinyl records, Members Only jackets and PBR. I had one back in the day , only owned it a couple of years , have to look back to see what model it was , single action was about 12 lbs. and the double first shot was nearly twice that . I remember I could never find a trigger pull gauge that went high enough . Needless to say you had to be inside the barn to actually hit the barn . One of the few guns I ever sold and don't miss it . I realize mine was one of the worst but I still find it weird that the early S&W autos have become a thing these days |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:17:32 PM EDT
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That guy could throw a brick and be better at it than anyone. It's a good thing he lives where it doesn't snow. Ever seen the thing where he rings a gong at 100yds with a J frame snub held upside down pulling the trigger with his pinky? Note I don't say shooting at a gong but "ringing a gong" |
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