Posted: 7/1/2015 2:21:33 PM EDT
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1. Of course not. I don't think he can spell foreign policy, let alone effectively manage it.
2. 100% Agree.
3. Do you think they are looking at Cuba from that perspective? Do you think Obama (or Kerry) wants to improve the United States' strategic position in the world? (Not being a smartass, just curious.)
Everything I've seen from them has been aimed at undermining gains made in the past 50 years of US foreign policy and building up/projecting strength around the globe.
I'd like to think his (their) intentions were based on the long game and in the best interest of the US, but that would seem contrary to their world view and actions to date. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Quoted:
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Chinese owned energy companies have been drilling in the Caribbean through shell companies for years. The only difference now is that one of them can openly do it, but even then that company (Nexen) doesn't drill much oil and most of its in US territory. But with Cuba its a whole other ballgame.
We all get it, Obama is an asshole socialist and a shitty president. But Obama isn't the US govt., he is just the head of it. Lots of shit happens without his knowledge or blessing. The dude manages to take more vacations and deal with more domestic politics than any other president, (1) you think he's sitting in briefs all day trying to fix this shit? No, this is normal US State Dept stuff dealing with China, with the occasional bone thrown to Obama supporters that indirectly benefits China.
(2)Having China in Cuba is a bad move. Trinidad and Tobago isn't a national threat to the US. US oil belonging in Louisiana waters drilled by Nexen, not so much. But Cuba is a big country, lots of people who don't like America, with a whole shit load of oil that they suddenly want pumped. They are putting out bids. We do nothing, China wins the bids and Chinese companies, not Canadian subsidiaries, actual Chinese companies with Chinese executives and Chinese workers, and Chinese security forces to defend them. Then more Chinese companies will get in bed with the Cubans, and suddenly China will have a naval base in Cuba. (3) This is the type of shit the US govt is trying to avoid and why relations are normalizing in Cuba.
Obama could have tried normalizing relations in 2008-2013, but he didn't. Suddenly, just at the same time that China is trying to win huge contracts to pump Cuban oil, located on the north side of Cuba, meaning closer to Florida, and now the US wants to normalize relations with Cuba, with everyone stressing oil as the reason. Its not a conspiracy.
1. Of course not. I don't think he can spell foreign policy, let alone effectively manage it.
2. 100% Agree.
3. Do you think they are looking at Cuba from that perspective? Do you think Obama (or Kerry) wants to improve the United States' strategic position in the world? (Not being a smartass, just curious.)
Everything I've seen from them has been aimed at undermining gains made in the past 50 years of US foreign policy and building up/projecting strength around the globe.
I'd like to think his (their) intentions were based on the long game and in the best interest of the US, but that would seem contrary to their world view and actions to date.
I don't think every single thing Obama and Kerry do is to the purposeful detriment of the United States. They are career politicians, meaning they sideline as crooked businessmen. All of their major supporters are businessmen, and people like Obama get into power by doing favors for their supporters. By ideology they are both far left, bordering on socialist, but they aren't Chinese or Cubam, neither of whose govts are actually communist, which means Obama and Kerry may act in some issues that may benefit the Chinese or Cubans but only because it benefits themselves more so. Meanwhile, a thousands things come up daily on the agenda for both me that need to be decided upon, which will have oversight by a Republican controlled Congress and much of the free press, so they can't be too outright corrupt without bad press, which both avoid as much as possible.
If you want this whole Cuba thing to be about Obama being in bed with communist Cubans, you can probably make a case for it but it will be based on your own bias unfortunately. This whole Cuban relations thing is entirely about oil and its been no secret in DC. Everyone knows why its happening but if you only read one or two articles about it, both from tainted and biased sources, then it will seem like a conspiracy. Its not, and further taints the struggle against actual conspiracies Obama was involved in by diluting them by crying wolf for everything.
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