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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:08:48 PM EDT
Exhibit A:
Apart from the blatant nonsense that is obvious, take a look at the grip these students have. It's fucking terrible. So here's one of JW777's helpful hints on obtaining training: If an outfit teaches this kind of gay shit instead of fundamental skills like how we properly grip a handgun, it's an indication that they aren't a good place to spend money. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:17:44 PM EDT
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That can't be an actual training scenario.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:19:08 PM EDT
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:22:33 PM EDT
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That can't be an actual training scenario. Sadly, it is. It was actually put on some outfit's FaceBook page. They claim it's a drill that other instructors "steal" from them most often. The "Circle Derp" caption was added by others... |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:23:15 PM EDT
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Who in there right mind would even take part in that photo op? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:25:32 PM EDT
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Who in there right mind would even take part in that photo op? Students who have been sold a bill of goods precisely because there isn't enough calling out of goofy shit being sold as "training". |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:26:11 PM EDT
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Exhibit A: http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=78153 Apart from the blatant nonsense that is obvious, take a look at the grip these students have. It's fucking terrible. So here's one of JW777's helpful hints on obtaining training: If an outfit teaches this kind of gay shit instead of fundamental skills like how we properly grip a handgun, it's an indication that they aren't a good place to spend money. Surviving a Mexican Standoff? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:26:17 PM EDT
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I don't even know what to say to that.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:26:44 PM EDT
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip. What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:27:39 PM EDT
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And the training objective for that exercise is...what?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:27:45 PM EDT
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 what the fuck?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:27:52 PM EDT
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip. What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Found one of their students! 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:28:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:29:10 PM EDT
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So here's one of JW777's helpful hints on obtaining training: If an outfit teaches this kind of gay shit instead of fundamental skills like how we properly grip a handgun, it's an indication that they aren't a good place to spend money. But in the youtube video I saw they were popping smoke and doing multiple mag dumps. They must know what they are doing!! |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:29:14 PM EDT
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip. What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Boy that was quick, I was sure this thread would get to at least 30 posts before a debate over grip started. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:29:23 PM EDT
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I am pretty sure that my first firearms training, at the age of eight, started with "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to kill"
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:29:27 PM EDT
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I predict this thread will morph inevitably into a Weaver vs. Isosceles argument.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:30:05 PM EDT
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." "nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:32:42 PM EDT
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"nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." "nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. Don't bring your logic into this! He don't think it be like it is. But it do. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:33:23 PM EDT
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And the training objective for that exercise is...what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
And the training objective for that exercise is...what? From these Muzzle Front characters:
5ppl in a circle facing each other... sidearms holstered... on the count, draw and aim, ensuring your sidearm does not sweep nor point at anyone of the other 4 individuals. As the drill progresses, the circle gets smaller. Believe it or not, this circle shrunk to half the diameter you see, without safety violations such as muzzle sweeping. 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:36:45 PM EDT
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And the training objective for that exercise is...what? From these Muzzle Front characters:
5ppl in a circle facing each other... sidearms holstered... on the count, draw and aim, ensuring your sidearm does not sweep nor point at anyone of the other 4 individuals. As the drill progresses, the circle gets smaller. Believe it or not, this circle shrunk to half the diameter you see, without safety violations such as muzzle sweeping.  http://youtu.be/0kAEthfslsEOK, but what is the point, assuming there even is a point. What does this practice accomplish? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:36:50 PM EDT
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The problem is an actual training course is pretty darn boring, in my opinion. Have you ever been to a military range? I could literally yawn and go to sleep. It's boring.
The fact is people got to make money by making themselves stand out. Some produce crazy training, others lie about. Case in point that Cory and Erika where they lie about their credentials being ex-military super awesome dudes. Their training isn't too bad but they basically lie about it to attract customers. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:37:07 PM EDT
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What the fuck is the point of this drill?
Confidence? How to out herp the derp? I'm genuinely curious.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:37:37 PM EDT
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"nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." "nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. You should stop. Those of us that get it already got it and those that don't are never going to..... |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:38:04 PM EDT
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OK, but what is the point, assuming there even is a point. What does this practice accomplish? I haven't the foggiest idea. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:39:26 PM EDT
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"nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." "nailing the target time after time" in what context? What time frame? Grip is about control, and a shitty grip gives shit control of the handgun. It slows down followups and makes people more likely to miss when they are under pressure and work the trigger hard. A proper grip makes as much contact with the gun as possible and applies significant pressure which resists the torque being applied to the trigger and makes the gun track properly in recoil. PTH, what do you know.. Like your an instructor.. Oh wait, you are..
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:41:00 PM EDT
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I haven't the foggiest idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OK, but what is the point, assuming there even is a point. What does this practice accomplish? I haven't the foggiest idea. Know what? They probably don't have a better answer, either. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:43:32 PM EDT
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Inverse Death Blossom.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:44:07 PM EDT
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Too much goofy crap, cult of personalities, and "lifestyle" in the firearms community in general.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:45:39 PM EDT
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Please attend my summer tactical pool home defense course. 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:45:42 PM EDT
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Too much goofy crap, cult of personalities, and "lifestyle" in the firearms community in general. as bad as Tapout/Affection.. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:46:35 PM EDT
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Apparently they are too "professional" for 1m separation.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:47:30 PM EDT
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Has anyone posted the never go full retard poster on their FB page yet?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:49:06 PM EDT
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We need links man!
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:50:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:50:38 PM EDT
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It can be difficult for new people to spot bad training. If you're new, how are you supposed to know which grip is good and which isn't?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:52:35 PM EDT
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I knew what this thread was about before I even clicked on it. That pic is really making the rounds right now.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:53:03 PM EDT
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It can be difficult for new people to spot bad training. If you're new, how are you supposed to know which grip is good and which isn't? Maybe do a little research on the company you are about to give your money to. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:54:03 PM EDT
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as bad as Tapout/Affection.. "Affection"? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:55:18 PM EDT
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Maybe do a little research on the company you are about to give your money to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It can be difficult for new people to spot bad training. If you're new, how are you supposed to know which grip is good and which isn't? Maybe do a little research on the company you are about to give your money to. Hard to do that when they keep popping up.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:55:19 PM EDT
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It can be difficult for new people to spot bad training. If you're new, how are you supposed to know which grip is good and which isn't? Basically a good way to tell is how they do a malfunction drill. If they say anything besides, "Tap, rack, bang" then leave. Don't even stand around to watch. By the time he starts showing you his awesome side tactical super whopper can-do mag flip/super side charger racking finger magwell banging move you'll be halfway home. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:56:38 PM EDT
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as bad as Tapout/Affection.. "Affection"? damn auto correct. affliction
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:01:35 PM EDT
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as bad as Tapout/Affection.. "Affection"? damn auto correct. affliction My new Affection T, bro! lol 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:08:18 PM EDT
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HAHA TIME TO OPERATE!
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:09:36 PM EDT
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But do they allow appendix carry?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:13:22 PM EDT
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Found one of their students! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip. What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Found one of their students! I can't wait for school to start all these retarded post by children will stop. Wait I mean, obviously if he uses what works for him he must be a fool. I mean bro, if you don't use tier one tactical shit all day every day you deserve to be ridiculed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:13:58 PM EDT
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We need links man! Outfit is called "Muzzle Front" I guess because if you take a class with them you're going to be in front of a muzzle. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:15:17 PM EDT
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I can't wait for school to start all these retarded post by children will stop. Wait I mean, obviously if he uses what works for him he must be a fool. I mean bro, if you don't use tier one tactical shit all day every day you deserve to be ridiculed. If you're supposedly in a TRAINING class and you're using a fucked up grip while participating in faggotry of this magnitude, then what you've been sold as "training" is most certainly worthy of ridicule. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:23:30 PM EDT
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What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ladie is the only one with a proper thumbs forward grip. What makes one grip more "proper" than another? I have seen unconventional grips (for me) and that person was nailing target time after time. Couldn't call it "improper" when it'd kill a bad guy more dead than I could have managed with the "proper thumbs forward grip." hay guys i was just thinking about ow everyone's all like "LIFE IS LIKE AN FPS WITHOUT A RESPAWN LOL" but sometimes the admin just sets respawn delay to be WAY TOO LONG, so it sorta seems like there's no respawn, and you kinda forgot you're playing the game until suddenly you're out in the open and soom AUG whore ganks you and I think this could be it because even if a bunch of cavemen did respawn and were all like "HOW I BUY CLUB" just now, we'd probably put them in insame asylums or they'd join up with terrorists or something so no one would really notice until we get, like, the black plague respawn in a billion years and on top of that sometimes nobody respawns until one team wins the match so maybe what we did wrong was breed too fast, so the match went on and on before one team could kill the other and now all we gotta do is finish off the other team and there'd be like A GOOGOPLEX RESPAWNS and everyone'd be all like "GG lol" but most of 'em would be sarcastic because they've been in observer mode with jesus for trillions of years and the whole time they were like "HE'S BEHIND THE FUCKING BOX". |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:26:26 PM EDT
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Okay don't go to their webpage and read the bio's.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:26:56 PM EDT
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What the fuck
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