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multiple generations of ghetto goblins that produce nothing noteworthy living off of taxpayer money is fine, but God forbid the Bundys dare raise free range cattle on some worthless land
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What do,you expect her to say? "We know a media disaster after we see it, we're going to let him get away with whatever he wants" Remember when FedDC swore death by attack copter on Bundy? The Feds got routed, they aren't coming back anytime soon. View Quote This They won't be coming back soon, but they will not let it go. Hell, they can't. They're just letting it settle down, and will come up with a less dramatic way to enforce the law. |
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. View Quote Posted from VA? Things are different out there compared to the east coast. You need to actually look at what the dispute is about, and who was doing what - and where - first. |
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Posted from VA? Things are different out there compared to the east coast. You need to actually look at what the dispute is about, and who was doing what - and where - first. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. Posted from VA? Things are different out there compared to the east coast. You need to actually look at what the dispute is about, and who was doing what - and where - first. He's right. And I own a house in Nevada and used to live there. |
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Quoted: multiple generations of ghetto goblins that produce nothing noteworthy living off of taxpayer money is fine, but God forbid the Bundys dare raise free range cattle on some worthless land View Quote A, it can be used as an offset for construction projects by the BLM to make money on solar farms. I.E. whatever BLM (remember public) land the BLM makes a solar farm on, they can offset the destruction and habitat change by using other BLM land and "restoring" it to make up for the last habitat. That worthless land is actually worth a LOT in revenue as a second order effect. As long as Bundy runs cattle, he maintains the water rights in various areas, many grandfathered in. Water in Nevada is worth more than gold as it powers growth and money. It's why all the other farmers and ranchers in the area have been chased out. Bundy doesn't run cattle, Bundy doesn't get to keep the rights. Water rights revert, water goes to Vegas, or to the new little place Reid is building across the river. So, in reality, the land is worth a LOT to many people. |
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Quoted: I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. View Quote |
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His cattle are grazing useless fucking scrub land and yes i am free to go hunt almost all of that land if there was mucb of anything to hunt there, suppose i could get some small game along the river. The blm is also trying to charge him grazing fees based on arial surveys when there are farrell cattle in the area from ranchers that just abandoned the area when blm fucked them. They are trying to strongarm him in to just leaving probably for some pet project of one of reids cronies. its fucked up they spent millions to send in armed agents for a fucking cattle round up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. His cattle are grazing useless fucking scrub land and yes i am free to go hunt almost all of that land if there was mucb of anything to hunt there, suppose i could get some small game along the river. The blm is also trying to charge him grazing fees based on arial surveys when there are farrell cattle in the area from ranchers that just abandoned the area when blm fucked them. They are trying to strongarm him in to just leaving probably for some pet project of one of reids cronies. its fucked up they spent millions to send in armed agents for a fucking cattle round up. He is the last hold out of all of the other ranchers in the area, Reid has his sights set on putting in a country club/high end housing and airport on a portion of the property that he occupies. There is also the BLM land his son has set for the Chinese solar farm that they refused to let anyone else use because of some endangered gecko, but it was totally cool for the solar farm, go figure. This was all covered in detail in the last thread. Reid has his hands in it and it stinks of shit. |
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He deserves whatever he gets for talking those crazy hippies into killing innocent people to incite a race war. WTF are u talking about? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/09/las-vegas-shooting-officers-dead-possible-white-supremacists/ These 2 fucking white supremacists scum bags who killed 2 cops in a pizza place and a CCW in a Walmart after the Bundy standoff. They showed up at the Bundy ranch and were turned away because they were full of and fucky fuck. They drove into town and killed 2 cops trying to kick start a revolution. |
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy will be held accountable for the federal land grazing fees and penalties he owes, a top federal official said. Bundy became a national figure in April 2014 when he and scores of supporters got into an armed standoff with federal law enforcement officers over his cattle’s years of alleged unpaid grazing on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) property. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, whose department includes the BLM, says Bundy will eventually have to answer for what he owes the federal government, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. “Cliven Bundy has had multiple court orders to remove his cattle from federal public lands and he has not paid his grazing fees and he has not abided by the law,” Jewell told the Review-Journal Wednesday on a visit to Incline Village, Nev., where she spoke at a Western Governors’ Association event. “We will continue to pursue that,” she said. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246103-cliven-bundy-will-be-held-accountable-interior-secretary-says http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.sPClT8dBsiIXvg5%2bjP1BEA&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Sally Jewell View Quote "Protect my brothers & sisters!" |
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1) You guys don't know shit about grazing permits, grazing, or land management of BLM lands that Clive grazes.
2) You don't know WHY grazing permits came to be, and why they are a good thing. 3) Grazing permits are CHEAP. The fees don't even cover the costs of managing that grazing so that it's sustainable. They would have to be ~$10/AUM. They are $1.69. 4) Clive could have easily obtained one. 5) The guys who posted up for him are idiots for fighting that cause, as it is an empty one if you understand 1-4 on a more intimate level. 6) What did you expect? If they let Clive get away with this, they will have a bunch more of this same shit. |
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The lands not worthless at ALL. A, it can be used as an offset for construction projects by the BLM to make money on solar farms. I.E. whatever BLM (remember public) land the BLM makes a solar farm on, they can offset the destruction and habitat change by using other BLM land and "restoring" it to make up for the last habitat. That worthless land is actually worth a LOT in revenue as a second order effect. As long as Bundy runs cattle, he maintains the water rights in various areas, many grandfathered in. Water in Nevada is worth more than gold as it powers growth and money. It's why all the other farmers and ranchers in the area have been chased out. Bundy doesn't run cattle, Bundy doesn't get to keep the rights. Water rights revert, water goes to Vegas, or to the new little place Reid is building across the river. So, in reality, the land is worth a LOT to many people. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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multiple generations of ghetto goblins that produce nothing noteworthy living off of taxpayer money is fine, but God forbid the Bundys dare raise free range cattle on some worthless land A, it can be used as an offset for construction projects by the BLM to make money on solar farms. I.E. whatever BLM (remember public) land the BLM makes a solar farm on, they can offset the destruction and habitat change by using other BLM land and "restoring" it to make up for the last habitat. That worthless land is actually worth a LOT in revenue as a second order effect. As long as Bundy runs cattle, he maintains the water rights in various areas, many grandfathered in. Water in Nevada is worth more than gold as it powers growth and money. It's why all the other farmers and ranchers in the area have been chased out. Bundy doesn't run cattle, Bundy doesn't get to keep the rights. Water rights revert, water goes to Vegas, or to the new little place Reid is building across the river. So, in reality, the land is worth a LOT to many people. Which begs the question of: Why didn't he just get his permit? He is entitled to the permit. Fed AUM's are CHEAP compared to state/private aums (Fed AUM = $1.69/aum. Private/state average AUM: ~$20.) and stay legal so he wouldn't have issues. You are right about his water rights and how big of a deal they are.....which is why I don't understand why he'd get all pissy about paying a fraction of the costs per AUM that he'd pay if he was dealing with the entities he wants to deal with (private/state) rather than the feds....who he dislikes (but gives him a deal of ~1/20th of the cost). The reason for grazing permits stems from the dirty 30's, the soil conservation service, and the dust bowl. Those things were caused by improper land management. We cannot and should not let that happen again.....which it will if we allow for another tragedy of the commons by allowing unregulated over-use/abuse/neglect of lands that could otherwise be used sustainably (which is better for everyone in the end). |
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Another Angry Lesbian in a position of authority in this administration? No whey...
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And here we have a poster who discovered feminism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy will be held accountable for the federal land grazing fees and penalties he owes, a top federal official said. Bundy became a national figure in April 2014 when he and scores of supporters got into an armed standoff with federal law enforcement officers over his cattle’s years of alleged unpaid grazing on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) property. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, whose department includes the BLM, says Bundy will eventually have to answer for what he owes the federal government, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. “Cliven Bundy has had multiple court orders to remove his cattle from federal public lands and he has not paid his grazing fees and he has not abided by the law,” Jewell told the Review-Journal Wednesday on a visit to Incline Village, Nev., where she spoke at a Western Governors’ Association event. “We will continue to pursue that,” she said. ... http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246103-cliven-bundy-will-be-held-accountable-interior-secretary-says http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.sPClT8dBsiIXvg5%2bjP1BEA&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Sally Jewell Good God! The misfits and outcasts have taken over all of the govt! And here we have a poster who discovered feminism. The critical theory of the 60's paid off. Angry lesbianism prevalent throughout government. Local, state and fed. |
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will al Sharpton be held accountable for the millions of $ in back taxes that he owes? |
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy will be held accountable for the federal land grazing fees and penalties he owes, a top federal official said. Bundy became a national figure in April 2014 when he and scores of supporters got into an armed standoff with federal law enforcement officers over his cattle’s years of alleged unpaid grazing on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) property. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, whose department includes the BLM, says Bundy will eventually have to answer for what he owes the federal government, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. “Cliven Bundy has had multiple court orders to remove his cattle from federal public lands and he has not paid his grazing fees and he has not abided by the law,” Jewell told the Review-Journal Wednesday on a visit to Incline Village, Nev., where she spoke at a Western Governors’ Association event. “We will continue to pursue that,” she said. ... http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246103-cliven-bundy-will-be-held-accountable-interior-secretary-says http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.sPClT8dBsiIXvg5%2bjP1BEA&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Sally Jewell View Quote I sure he will. He suffer an "accident" of some kind. and all the evidene will disappear and the feds will be heavily involved. the fed gov is lawless. you should be too. |
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This They won't be coming back soon, but they will not let it go. Hell, they can't. They're just letting it settle down, and will come up with a less dramatic way to enforce the law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What do,you expect her to say? "We know a media disaster after we see it, we're going to let him get away with whatever he wants" Remember when FedDC swore death by attack copter on Bundy? The Feds got routed, they aren't coming back anytime soon. This They won't be coming back soon, but they will not let it go. Hell, they can't. They're just letting it settle down, and will come up with a less dramatic way to enforce the law. they will wait until bundy dies and then jump his heirs in court. |
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Affix foil headgear.
Bundy was the last hold out. The BLM had put all the other ranchers in the region out of business by reducing their herd sizes to ridiculously low headcounts that made cattle ranching unprofitable. They demanded Bundy reduce his herd from historic 800-1200 head to an unrealistic 70 head for "Environmental Impact reasons". This reduction would have put him out of business like all those before him. Tin foil part. Agenda 21. The gov does not want you to be self sufficient in your rural homestead. They want you in the urban areas where they can monitor you with the millions of cameras installed there and you are under their thumb with law enforcement minutes away if you step out of line. With you gone this opens up the rural areas to the big boys. The beltway criminals do the bidding of the huge Ag multinationals that butter their bread. As a small independent farmer/rancher they don't want you saving your seeds for next years crop or using gov land for grazing. They are doing everything possible to put you out of business through ridiculous gov USDA and EPA regulation. The handwriting is on the wall. If you are a small farmer/rancher or manufacturer you are competing with the big boys running the show and your days are numbered. |
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In before a bunch of easterners that know everything about everything in the western states chime in. View Quote They dont have a clue! I hope the IRS amd ATF show up at there house and make sweet love to them................ The BLM is as bad as every other out of control 3 letter agency. |
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“Climate change is visible at national parks across the country, but this report underscores the economic importance of cutting carbon pollution and making public lands more resilient to its dangerous impacts,” said Secretary Jewell. “Through sound science and collaboration, we will use this research to help protect some of America’s most iconic places – from the Statue of Liberty to Golden Gate and from the Redwoods to Cape Hatteras – that are at risk from climate change.” View Quote I read this in General Rippers voice. Something about climate change affecting our precious bodily fluids would fit right in. |
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Quoted: Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy will be held accountable for the federal land grazing fees and penalties he owes, a top federal official said. Bundy became a national figure in April 2014 when he and scores of supporters got into an armed standoff with federal law enforcement officers over his cattle’s years of alleged unpaid grazing on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) property. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, whose department includes the BLM, says Bundy will eventually have to answer for what he owes the federal government, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. "Cliven Bundy has had multiple court orders to remove his cattle from federal public lands and he has not paid his grazing fees and he has not abided by the law,” Jewell told the Review-Journal Wednesday on a visit to Incline Village, Nev., where she spoke at a Western Governors’ Association event. "We will continue to pursue that,” she said. ... http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246103-cliven-bundy-will-be-held-accountable-interior-secretary-says http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.sPClT8dBsiIXvg5%2bjP1BEA&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Sally Jewell View Quote Fuck the BLM |
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1) You guys don't know shit about grazing permits, grazing, or land management of BLM lands that Clive grazes. 2) You don't know WHY grazing permits came to be, and why they are a good thing. 3) Grazing permits are CHEAP. The fees don't even cover the costs of managing that grazing so that it's sustainable. They would have to be ~$10/AUM. They are $1.69. 4) Clive could have easily obtained one. 5) The guys who posted up for him are idiots for fighting that cause, as it is an empty one if you understand 1-4 on a more intimate level. 6) What did you expect? If they let Clive get away with this, they will have a bunch more of this same shit. View Quote All I saw was a giant .gov agency that wasted 90% of the money it took in on stupid regulatory bullshit. They need $10 as a giant .gov bureaucratic jobs program! Not land management. |
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Bundy is just interpreting the laws all Justice Roberts-like.
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. View Quote Please quote me the part of the Constitution that grants to the Federal level of governemnt permission to own or control land that is NOTa military installation, Federal court, custom house, non-State territory, or the national capitol. The Constitution. If I may quote Uncle Joe Biden, its ".... a big fucking deal". Especially if you believe people should have guns. |
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Good God! The misfits and outcasts have taken over all of the govt! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy will be held accountable for the federal land grazing fees and penalties he owes, a top federal official said. Bundy became a national figure in April 2014 when he and scores of supporters got into an armed standoff with federal law enforcement officers over his cattle’s years of alleged unpaid grazing on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) property. Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, whose department includes the BLM, says Bundy will eventually have to answer for what he owes the federal government, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. “Cliven Bundy has had multiple court orders to remove his cattle from federal public lands and he has not paid his grazing fees and he has not abided by the law,” Jewell told the Review-Journal Wednesday on a visit to Incline Village, Nev., where she spoke at a Western Governors’ Association event. “We will continue to pursue that,” she said. ... http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246103-cliven-bundy-will-be-held-accountable-interior-secretary-says http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.sPClT8dBsiIXvg5%2bjP1BEA&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Sally Jewell Good God! The misfits and outcasts have taken over all of the govt! I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official! |
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. View Quote lol stay on the east coast, there pard. You'll fit in with your big city thinkers in DC. Let us men in the West take care of things out here. |
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This They won't be coming back soon, but they will not let it go. Hell, they can't. They're just letting it settle down, and will come up with a less dramatic way to enforce the law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What do,you expect her to say? "We know a media disaster after we see it, we're going to let him get away with whatever he wants" Remember when FedDC swore death by attack copter on Bundy? The Feds got routed, they aren't coming back anytime soon. This They won't be coming back soon, but they will not let it go. Hell, they can't. They're just letting it settle down, and will come up with a less dramatic way to enforce the law. Enforce the law? |
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View Quote I'm sure all those gov agents that conspired to screw with him were held accountable (Like Benghazi,the IRS,Fast & Furious,etc)...... |
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He's right. And I own a house in Nevada and used to live there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can't understand why Bundy is a folk hero. He is a thief. He is making lots of money off the land the government owns which we all are able to use. All of us can go hunt it, camp on it, etc. for no cost (state licenses may add some) paid to the federal government. So why should he be able operate a business on it to make a profit without ponying up a use fee. The timber companies buy the timber, as they should, when they log National Forest lands. The people who say the government shouldn't own any western lands must not know what a posted sign is. If it was private none of us would be able to set foot on it. Has Bundy opened up his ranch to hunters for no trespass fee, just come on by? Doubt it. Posted from VA? Things are different out there compared to the east coast. You need to actually look at what the dispute is about, and who was doing what - and where - first. He's right. And I own a house in Nevada and used to live there. |
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If it's so worthless then why does he need to use it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They just need to start shooting cattle grazing in unauthorized areas. Fuck Bundy. Have you been out there? the land is worthless If it's so worthless then why does he need to use it? Just plant trailer parks and Wal-Marts there, those fuckers will grow anywhere |
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