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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:26:10 PM EDT
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cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel
I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well..... ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:26:22 PM EDT
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I've read that we lost slightly more than 5,000 helicopters, half of which were shot down.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:36:16 PM EDT
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Yeah 5000+ rotary winged aircraft lost
400+ f4's (Break down of planes at Wikipedia) |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:42:33 PM EDT
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.
I wonder what the ww2 losses were. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:27:34 PM EDT
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. WWII loses were expected 10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:35:53 PM EDT
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WWII loses were expected 10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. WWII loses were expected 10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:42:57 PM EDT
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics. Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:45:53 PM EDT
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cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well..... ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it. Cam Rahn? The 45th flew out of Ubon, Thailand |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:51:02 PM EDT
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My old man flew 108 missions in the Thud and a couple hundred more in the Phantom II aka Rhino.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. It was safer to be on the front lines, than in a Aircraft in WW2.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:35:34 PM EDT
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When I was 10 (USAF brat) I told my dad I wanted to fly helicopters. He told me that if you took every helicopter we lost in Vietnam and lined them up end to end across Vietnam you could walk across the country (width) on the helicopters. I don't know if he was just being sarcastic or not, I just remember him telling me that. Changed my mind pretty quick.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:42:20 PM EDT
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Now tell us what the number of combat losses were.
A lot less than 10K. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:48:18 PM EDT
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I believe that over half of the F-105 production run was lost in SouthEast Asia.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Once was enough, it was a most memorable day. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:39:05 PM EDT
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Now tell us what the number of combat losses were. A lot less than 10K. Didn't they push quite a few Huey's off into the ocean? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:05:51 PM EDT
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You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics. Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics. Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers. Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets. This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation. Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:06:02 PM EDT
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Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. A whole lot of those were lost in training accidents. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:09:31 PM EDT
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- Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two. 
What's WWII stand for again? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:11:52 PM EDT
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We won't even have 400 planes to lose in WW3.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:17:38 PM EDT
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We won't even have 400 planes to lose in WW3. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 9:49:56 PM EDT
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To make room for refugees aboard carriers after the fall of Saigon.
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Now tell us what the number of combat losses were. A lot less than 10K. Didn't they push quite a few Huey's off into the ocean? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:02:47 PM EDT
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My dad flew the friendly skies of Vietnam in an OV-10.
DFC 22 Air Medals 3 Purple Hearts. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:05:32 PM EDT
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cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well..... ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it. My dad was in Cam Rahn Bay from '66-'67. That's him in the center. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:15:28 PM EDT
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Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets. This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation. Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics. Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers. Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets. This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation. Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless. Never trust a man whose middle name is "Strange". |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. WWII loses were expected 10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:21:10 PM EDT
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Dumb AAA, 88s firing into the air, as apposed to radar controlled missiles Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe. I wonder what the ww2 losses were. Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia. WWII loses were expected 10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two. vast majority were from AAA, not SAMs. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:24:34 PM EDT
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My dad flew the friendly skies of Vietnam in an OV-10. DFC 22 Air Medals 3 Purple Hearts. I used to work for an Illinois Guard F-16 pilot that was ragging on another guy from my department. The F-16 pilot stopped when I told him about his Distinguished Flying Cross flying F-4's in Viet Nam. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:39:32 PM EDT
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I wonder how many of those "lost" aircraft were being flown by SNV pilots. Or lost due to obsolescence...
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:42:45 PM EDT
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about half of them were shot down by the chinese.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:09:55 PM EDT
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Once was enough, it was a most memorable day. Holy shit I think I just watch the episode the picture in your avatar comes from. |
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