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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:18:59 AM EDT
... at least we knew where our enemies were back then
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:19:58 AM EDT
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Were you in the military then?
Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:22:38 AM EDT
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun.  Sorta miss the food and the gals. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:24:15 AM EDT
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Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun. Sorta miss the food and the gals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun. Sorta miss the food and the gals. Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:24:24 AM EDT
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I remember the fall out shelters. Sure made it seem like it WAS going to happen.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:25:56 AM EDT
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I was in Slovakia last month in a small town... Martin.
It had a completely Cold War feel to it, and the weather just added to it. It made me feel nostalgic, and it made me really miss the cold war. Seriously. Visit Martin, Slovakia in December. I loved it! |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. ... We appreciate your suffering & sacrifices back then, that said can you post the mailing address to our enemies (ISIS or Al-Keye da) today? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:28:21 AM EDT
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Growing up in the '60s, '70s, I just accepted that I could be vaporized in a second (if I was lucky).
You don't really think about it; life goes on.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:28:36 AM EDT
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... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:30:50 AM EDT
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I did my part to win the cold war by securing the Green Goose in Nurmberg just about every weekend. Sometimes the Nashville. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:39:53 AM EDT
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And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:41:09 AM EDT
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It is interesting to see the shift in thinking in society.
There was a family in my Ward in Colorado... I have talked about them before on arfcom... Liberals. The mom taught "Womens studies" in college got up to give a talk one time... Right after Obama was elected...And said, "When I was growing up, all I heard was fear, fear, fear." And she talked about the fear of the Russians. And then she said, "And now, things have changed. Instead of fear, there is hope." I about coughed. I said, quietly... "Holy crap." The truth... The Cold War was a bad time in many ways... And there *was* "fear." And there was massive, massive spending... And tremendous amounts of money being spent. Gobs of money... But the flipside... We are *currently* at war. And Democrats can pretend that Paris was an isolated incident... And folks can put their heads back in the sand. And retards can tell themselves that the world is filled with hope because Obama has the nuclear trigger... The flipside. We are at war. Russia does not think the Cold War is over, and they might not be the military they once were, but they are not our "friend." We are at war. China grows stronger and stronger, and increases military spending, while we decrease ours, and buy Obama Phones for folks... We are at war. Terrorism is growing and growing, even though Obama wants to lie and say otherwise... |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:41:14 AM EDT
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Nuclear air raid sirens in the middle of the night? I do not miss that at all.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:41:29 AM EDT
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. I remember a poster on the wall in garrison showing the average day of the standard 7 foot tall Russian soldier, who woke up two hours before us and trained 28 hours a day. It wasn't a matter of if, just a matter of when. We were convinced the two biggest kids were going to fight and we trained for almost nothing else. We made a lot of sacrifices back then, more than youngsters here might imagine, but nothing like those in uniform today. The guys now have it a so much worse. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:41:48 AM EDT
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... We appreciate your suffering & sacrifices back then, that said can you post the mailing address to our enemies (ISIS or Al-Keye da) today? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. ... We appreciate your suffering & sacrifices back then, that said can you post the mailing address to our enemies (ISIS or Al-Keye da) today? I agree completely with your frustration at the lack of a clearly identifiable enemy. I get it. I'm just saying that, let's not pretend that the threat of almost certain annihilation of most US and allied forces in Europe was a DESIRABLE state. And, for the record, I made NO sacrifice. We trained every day, knowing that me and all my soldiers would die if the Soviets decided to get it one - but since it never happened, I had no sacrifice and no suffering. . I am just saying, it was an UNPLEASANT mindset, and as much as I hate Islamic extremism and want to see it wiped from the earth, I think it's a difficult comparison.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:48:41 AM EDT
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Having a villain that everyone worries about is good. USSR was a respectable bad guy. Asymmetric bad guys are a crap substitute. Especially when the good guys are forced to fight them on a leash.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:57:09 AM EDT
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... believe me, I'm certainly glad that we never had to, "duck and cover" for the real enchilada, but hell, we don't even have a mailing address to share our complaints these days
Much less send a JADAM if they don't agree with our terms
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:58:10 AM EDT
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Having a villain that everyone worries about is good. USSR was a respectable bad guy. Asymmetric bad guys are a crap substitute. Especially when the good guys are forced to fight them on a leash. And especially when a whole bunch of people think that appeasement is the answer. The problem is that everyone forgets the Cold War, and new generations don't understand how it felt to live during that time. This is why history repeats itself. Its because the lessons learned aren't hammered into the coming generation. The way life felt during the Cold War is marginalized in order to eradicate the mindset. This is how humanity fails. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:59:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:06:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:06:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is interesting to see the shift in thinking in society. There was a family in my Ward in Colorado... I have talked about them before on arfcom... Liberals. The mom taught "Womens studies" in college got up to give a talk one time... Right after Obama was elected...And said, "When I was growing up, all I heard was fear, fear, fear." And she talked about the fear of the Russians. And then she said, "And now, things have changed. Instead of fear, there is hope." I about coughed. I said, quietly... "Holy crap." The truth... The Cold War was a bad time in many ways... And there *was* "fear." And there was massive, massive spending... And tremendous amounts of money being spent. Gobs of money... But the flipside... We are *currently* at war. And Democrats can pretend that Paris was an isolated incident... And folks can put their heads back in the sand. And retards can tell themselves that the world is filled with hope because Obama has the nuclear trigger... The flipside. We are at war. Russia does not think the Cold War is over, and they might not be the military they once were, but they are not our "friend." We are at war. China grows stronger and stronger, and increases military spending, while we decrease ours, and buy Obama Phones for folks... We are at war. Terrorism is growing and growing, even though Obama wants to lie and say otherwise... ... succinct synopsis, and spot on
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:07:58 AM EDT
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I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. Yep. Funny to think we were safer with thousands of nukes on hair trigger alert, but at least the Soviets were rational and somewhat predictable... they really didn't want to be incinerated either. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:11:02 AM EDT
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The Russians kept the bad guys in line, that was a nice thing
Today, hard to believe, they are in the same boat as us. We are friends in once sense but they are just a bit dysfunctional |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:15:47 AM EDT
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I remember the constant under tone of fear and knowing it was very possible I would die in a nuke blast or slowly puking up my own guts as my hair, teeth and finger nails fell off from radiation poison.
I also remember the feeling that we did at least have strength and an odd safety as well as , in my mind, a national pride and a sense of the importance of self defense I get nostalgia for it all the time, in certain ways. Looking back it was damned interesting and people too young to remember it have no idea what it was like though I think we are headed for something much worse Yeah I just realize. I do miss the hell out of the cold war.  no joke
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:17:15 AM EDT
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As a fellow child of the cold war myself op I can relate. That being said the risk of nuclear war is still there. I worry that with our attention so focused on terrorism, China and the Russkies will try to get all sneaky. When your young you are to busy being a kid to really worry about the end of the world to lose any sleep worrying about it. But as an adult and especially as you age and mature, you become more aware of how fragile this thing we call civilization is, and how little it would take for things to spiral out of control. You've suddenly got alot more to lose.
Most people think their youth was more clearly defined and simpler time. I think humanity's always been alot closer to the abyss throughout our collective history than we realize. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:18:03 AM EDT
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I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. What? The world came damn close to World War III several times during the cold war. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:22:15 AM EDT
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Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun. Sorta miss the food and the gals. Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. I liked the whole 45 minute life spam we had if the commies kicked it off . I miss Kill a commie for mommy . I liked good beer . |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:22:56 AM EDT
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I remember a poster on the wall in garrison showing the average day of the standard 7 foot tall Russian soldier, who woke up two hours before us and trained 28 hours a day. It wasn't a matter of if, just a matter of when. We were convinced the two biggest kids were going to fight and we trained for almost nothing else. We made a lot of sacrifices back then, more than youngsters here might imagine, but nothing like those in uniform today. The guys now have it a so much worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. I remember a poster on the wall in garrison showing the average day of the standard 7 foot tall Russian soldier, who woke up two hours before us and trained 28 hours a day. It wasn't a matter of if, just a matter of when. We were convinced the two biggest kids were going to fight and we trained for almost nothing else. We made a lot of sacrifices back then, more than youngsters here might imagine, but nothing like those in uniform today. The guys now have it a so much worse. And they bathed naked in the snow. Our "Know your enemy" billboard at the CQ desk included pictures of them rolling around in the snow in their underwear. I remember thinking, "Damn they're fucking stupid". ETA: And let's not forget the AFN commercials warning that Russia was tapping all the phone lines. The commercials showed .mil and civilians answering the phone then stopping mid sentence to say, "Oh, hello Ivan" before continuing their call. The Energy Rapper was stupid. And the history lesson commercials. Sam Waterston and Brooke Shields and other celebrities would tell short American history lessons and end every commercial with, "It's a fact, in the Library of Congress. Learn more about it at your local library". |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:26:01 AM EDT
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Then, we could point to Russia and those were the Bad Guys who would have tried their best to destroy the US.
Now, we can point almost anywhere - including right here in our own land - and there are Bad Guys who want to see the end of us. I know what you mean, OP. I totally get it and have said those very words out loud myself many times over the last 7 or 8 years. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun. Sorta miss the food and the gals. Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. Yeah, the prospect of getting nuked did kind of dampen things a bit....  |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:28:29 AM EDT
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What? The world came damn close to World War III several times during the cold war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... at least we knew where our enemies were back then And those enemies were on the other side of the world. I miss the Cold War too. To me at least, the world felt like a safer place. I was telling someone this very thing just the other day. We knew who the enemy was. We all knew what the rules were. The world was a safer place. What? The world came damn close to World War III several times during the cold war. You M.A.D., bro? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:50:21 AM EDT
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I did my part to win the cold war by securing the Green Goose in Nurmberg just about every weekend. Sometimes the Nashville. Haha! We had a Green Goose in Wurzburg.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:53:39 AM EDT
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Does anybody remember that made for t.v. movie from the 80's "World War III" with David Seoul iirc, or "The Day After"?
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:54:24 AM EDT
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Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Were you in the military then? Because I sure as fuck don't miss it. Heh. Those of us stationed in FRG (late 80s) had fun times...some shitty times but, mostly fun. Sorta miss the food and the gals. Sure, there was lots of fun. I'm just saying, I don't miss the whole "you WILL die if the Soviets decide to kick it off" thing. THIS. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anybody remember that made for t.v. movie from the 80's "World War III" with David Seoul iirc, or "The Day After"? Yep. Other than the nuclear attack part, The Day After was pretty stupid. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:59:29 AM EDT
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Does anybody remember that made for t.v. movie from the 80's "World War III" with David Seoul iirc, or "The Day After"? I sure do although I would have been in elementary school. I remember watching a few minutes of the day after and it scaring ever living shit out of me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:04:00 AM EDT
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I know who our enemies are now.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:40:08 AM EDT
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I know who our enemies are now. Totally..... Jews. *psyche*
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:46:07 AM EDT
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Haha! We had a Green Goose in Wurzburg. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did my part to win the cold war by securing the Green Goose in Nurmberg just about every weekend. Sometimes the Nashville. Haha! We had a Green Goose in Wurzburg. The ORIGINAL Green Goose was in Nurmberg! |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:57:50 AM EDT
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Some of you seem to be forgetting that even at the height of the Cold War,terrorist organizations struck and killed Americans and there was no more defeating them than modern day AQ/IS. The big change is that the US is now forced to be allied with the guys who did this and has a President who just said he will veto any additional sanctions against their masters.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:25:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Other than the nuclear attack part, The Day After was pretty stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does anybody remember that made for t.v. movie from the 80's "World War III" with David Seoul iirc, or "The Day After"? Yep. Other than the nuclear attack part, The Day After was pretty stupid. Well, think of all the great movies we did get out of the Cold War. Spies Like Us, Rocky IV etc.
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