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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:25:00 AM EDT
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Freeze +P and Sabre Red.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:29:31 AM EDT
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S&W Shield.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:31:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Fox labs.
Pure fucking evil. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:33:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fox labs. Pure fucking evil. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:40:14 AM EDT
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Fox labs. Pure fucking evil. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:41:15 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:42:45 AM EDT
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Sabre Red is what our agency issues. I've been hit with it, and it's pure misery in a can. I've used it on adult male felons, and they do not enjoy it either.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:00:24 AM EDT
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S&W Shield. an mp9c was my second recommendation after an ar but considering this persons budget, need for defense on campus where enrolled and employed and need for further familiarization with firearms we are going to start with pepper spray and build from there. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:19:20 AM EDT
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+1 Came here to post this. I just caught some over-spray and I wished I was dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fox labs. Pure fucking evil. X1000 do not point at self 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:58:42 AM EDT
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Fox
If you ever use it for real 99% you will get yourself as well so might want to know what it is like Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:15:11 AM EDT
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Pepper spray, that's just sold to civilians. Once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:20:04 AM EDT
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Fox If you ever use it for real 99% you will get yourself as well so might want to know what it is like Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yep. It's better to know beforehand how it feels so you don't freak out. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:22:27 AM EDT
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Pepper spray, that's just sold to civilians. Once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses. 
Fox 5.3 Been spritzed and exposed enough to know there is no "Getting used to it". You just remember not to rip your eyeballs out the third time. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:23:02 AM EDT
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Pepper spray, that's just sold to civilians. Once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses. Username is almost appropriate. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:39:45 AM EDT
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Fox labs. Pure fucking evil. +1. Will ruin your day. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:46:06 AM EDT
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Get a 2 oz can of fox labs 5.3. In the stream format. The range and effectiveness is much better than the cheap little key chain pepper sprays. If you get the same can in the fog format I assure you that the blowback will get you bad if you ever have to use it.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:17:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:26:43 PM EDT
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Username is almost appropriate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pepper spray, that's just sold to civilians. Once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses. Username is almost appropriate. I wonder what his last one was? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:28:57 PM EDT
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thanks for the tips so far guys.
so the fog spray is almost guaranteed blowback? I've only ever played with a little keychain stream one seemed as though it would be harder to get a full face shot
I see the last recommendation for the foam, that sounds as though it could be a good fit this person works with children pretty frequently would be nice not to spray them too. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:29:39 PM EDT
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I use sabre....i might have to check out the fox labs stuff
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:35:19 PM EDT
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I've used Sabre on a couple of people and it worked exactly like it was supposed to. Took them right out of the fight. I've had similar experiences with MK3, but I did have it fail on me once, which is a pretty shitty feeling.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Sabre Red gel. It's fucking aweful.
 . The regular Sabre Red is good, but gel is less likely to come back at you, and stick to the BG.
Fox is good too from what I remember. Either way, go out in a field with some friends and have one of them blast you in the face with whatever OC you choose, so you will know the effects. It might take a coup,e of seconds for the full effect to kick in, but after it does, you'll feel like someone stabbed you in the eyeballs with needles. Keep in mind that someone that's on drugs or drunk may not feel the full effect and is likely to continue whatever they were doing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:39:30 PM EDT
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Pepper spray, that's just sold to civilians. Once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses. I love stuff like this... 
My first OC class (...about 20 years ago) was taught by a 30 year veteran Oklahoma DOC prison guard, a black guy named Rudy W. Rudy was probably close to 60 at the time and was about 5-'08", maybe, maybe 180 lbs dripping wet...and had spend his entire adult life moving uncooperative prisoners from Point A to Point B. He told us in class that, when deploying OC to look for the subjects that "rolled out"...that's to say "Duck and Cover". The ones that immediately shielded themselves and tried to avoid the stuff. Rudy said this was because they were the real players...the ones who had been "hooked up" before, the ones that knew what the stuff would do to you and acted accordingly. He also said to watch for the ones that threw out their chests and said nonsense like, "I ain't afraid of you! I use that stuff for Tabasco sauce, other stupid shit like that because these were the "wanna-be's" in the group. The young ones that didn't have a friggin' clue about what they were talking about and had never been "hooked up" with it before. He said to watch out for the Duck and Covers first because they were the ones that would hurt you, then watch out for the wanna'be's... |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:41:17 PM EDT
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Fox labs. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:44:05 PM EDT
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If you think there is even a chance that you might have to deploy it inside a building, for gosh sakes please get a gel or a foam. I've seen an entire school wing have to evacuate because what seemed like a spritz got into the A/C system and emptied classrooms.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:51:01 PM EDT
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OK, you guys sold me on the Fox spray. Now as a civillian I want one to keep in my car, one in wifes car, small key type carry unit and maybe one big unit for SHTF. What are your recommendtions based upon PERSONAL experience, as to which tops, sizes and spray patterns, I'm thinking the 5.3 and not the green spray. Does this make sense? If not, please help me get back on tract. Thanks!
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:59:19 PM EDT
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Defense Tech 1.3%
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:15:40 PM EDT
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OK, you guys sold me on the Fox spray. Now as a civillian I want one to keep in my car, one in wifes car, small key type carry unit and maybe one big unit for SHTF. What are your recommendtions based upon PERSONAL experience, as to which tops, sizes and spray patterns, I'm thinking the 5.3 and not the green spray. Does this make sense? If not, please help me get back on tract. Thanks! Spring loaded top, Heavy Stream. Velcro a 2 oz can in each vehicle. Get one for the jacket pocket in winter, cargo pocket for summer, wifes purse etc.. The Key chain units are good for about a year of getting thrashed around, and are disposable. They are convenient, but kinda suck for use, and really run out quick. Fox has an expiration date on the can. Usually by that date, the O-ring has leaked enough pressure that it's time to dump it anyway. Check the thing for operation every 6 mos or so. O-rings leak sometimes, and it sucks when you discover there is no fizz in the can, when you need it. Keep the expired cans, and mix with dish soap and water, to keep rabbits out of the garden, squirrels out of the bird feeder.
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