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Posted: 10/6/2014 12:50:38 AM EDT
Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued, forget what model but it was a full size fohty. Said it only had about 200 rounds through it.
Anyways he asked me if I knew how to clean it, and if you needed any special tools or cleaner to clean it  . I thought he was just busting my balls for shits and giggles but I laughed then realized he was serious.
He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. So I proceed to take it down and field strip it and show him what to clean. The gun still had some packing grease inside the slide around the rail area. But other than that it was absolutely bone dry. Not one drop of oil anywhere in it. He also didn't know he needed to oil certain spots on it. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 12:52:58 AM EDT
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Cops does not equal gun enthusiasts. No they don't teach them that shit. They reach them local, state and federal laws pertaining to the current local governments views on issues.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 12:55:07 AM EDT
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Cops does not equal gun enthusiasts. No they don't teach them that shit. They reach them local, state and federal laws pertaining to the current local governments views on issues. Right I understand that but its kind of an important element to their everyday jobs. I'd hate for it to jam on him because it wasn't lubed (I know, it's a Glock but still). That's like a Nascar driver not understanding the fundamentals of how their car works. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 12:55:07 AM EDT
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Judging from your state tag... that doesn't surprise me at all.
You may have saved his life. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 12:58:16 AM EDT
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Every agency that I know of field strips and cleans their own weapon. I know most of them are trained right at the academy on how to strip them and keep them maintained. Most departments have an armourer for any actual issues, but everyone cleans their own gun.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:01:03 AM EDT
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I attended the Glock Armorers Course when it was held at the Dothan Police Station. There were 2 civilians in the class along with 20+ police officers from the DPD and surrounding forces. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:03:09 AM EDT
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Every agency that I know of field strips and cleans their own weapon. I know most of them are trained right at the academy on how to strip them and keep them maintained. Most departments have an armourer for any actual issues, but everyone cleans their own gun. This. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:03:38 AM EDT
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:03:42 AM EDT
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Profeshunal.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:05:51 AM EDT
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I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth here. He is not a reserve cop, but I believe he still in training. He was telling me about some prostitution arrests he made last week. And it was a bad as I portrayed. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:07:07 AM EDT
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I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth here. He is not a reserve cop, but I believe he still in training. He was telling me about some prostitution arrests he made last week. And it was a bad as I portrayed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth here. He is not a reserve cop, but I believe he still in training. He was telling me about some prostitution arrests he made last week. And it was a bad as I portrayed. How is he still in training and at home, with a duty weapon? Is he in a post-academy type training? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:09:37 AM EDT
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Every agency that I know of field strips and cleans their own weapon. I know most of them are trained right at the academy on how to strip them and keep them maintained. Most departments have an armourer for any actual issues, but everyone cleans their own gun. This. Yup, we were taught in academy. That said, I know a lot of cops who just aren't gun guys so it doesn't surprise me |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:14:58 AM EDT
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dosnt surprise me at all, hell ive seen rounds loaded backwards into a mag and was asked why it wouldn't seat into the pistol and this was from an academy grad and post FTO.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:16:40 AM EDT
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We teach our guys.
HOWEVER, as said, "police" does NOT equal "gun guy"... and I can tell you from first-hand experience that some guys are REALLY not gun guys and forget how to field strip their Glocks. Not many, but a couple. Interestingly, one of them is a pretty good shooter even though he only shoots at the annual qual. We've instituted a monthly mandatory cleaning during the shift, in part to reinforce how to field strip weapons. I believe the OP's story. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:17:20 AM EDT
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Not all cops are gun people.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:20:35 AM EDT
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dosnt surprise me at all, hell ive seen rounds loaded backwards into a mag and was asked why it wouldn't seat into the pistol and this was from an academy grad and post FTO. Probably a Heckler Koch gun. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:23:27 AM EDT
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I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth here. He is not a reserve cop, but I believe he still in training. He was telling me about some prostitution arrests he made last week. And it was a bad as I portrayed. I have no reason to think you are lying, sorry if it came out that way. I was thinking more along the lines of him being DOC/ DOP or something similar. Anyone who is still in training would know how to field strip their weapon, even if they weren't a gun guy. At least if they went through a full time academy and were on a full time police force. Again, not throwing stones at you at all. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:23:44 AM EDT
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I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth here. He is not a reserve cop, but I believe he still in training. He was telling me about some prostitution arrests he made last week. And it was a bad as I portrayed. I have no reason to think you are lying, sorry if it came out that way. I was thinking more along the lines of him being DOC/ DOP or something similar. Anyone who is still in training would know how to field strip their weapon, even if they weren't a gun guy. At least if they went through a full time academy and were on a full time police force. Again, not throwing stones at you at all.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:25:39 AM EDT
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No they don't teach them that shit. I was taught it in the academy. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:27:41 AM EDT
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I'm gonna have to throw this up...
You don't know the full size .40, but you know where to oil it? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:29:45 AM EDT
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Probably a Heckler Koch gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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dosnt surprise me at all, hell ive seen rounds loaded backwards into a mag and was asked why it wouldn't seat into the pistol and this was from an academy grad and post FTO. Probably a Heckler Koch gun. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all cops are gun people. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:30:57 AM EDT
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Cops are issued a gun then given training at a rate of 15 mins of range time per 4 hours of being told to never use it.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:31:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna have to throw this up... You don't know the full size .40, but you know where to oil it? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:35:13 AM EDT
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If you know how to clean/lube one Glock, you know how to do them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm gonna have to throw this up...
You don't know the full size .40, but you know where to oil it? If you know how to take a glock down and lube it, you should know at least the basic 9 and 40 full size model since they have to be the most common of all glocks. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:37:25 AM EDT
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Hell I have met plenty of soldiers who dont know how to properly clean thier weapon it ammounts to them careing more about pussy and beer (incidentally they usually dont know how to properly handle those things either) than the one thing that can keep them alive when they need it most.
It seems hard to belive he wouldnt have an idea on how to do this unless he was trained on a different weapon and bought this one as his duty gun. You might ask him about that. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:45:37 AM EDT
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If you know how to take a glock down and lube it, you should know at least the basic 9 and 40 full size model since they have to be the most common of all glocks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm gonna have to throw this up...
You don't know the full size .40, but you know where to oil it? If you know how to take a glock down and lube it, you should know at least the basic 9 and 40 full size model since they have to be the most common of all glocks. I am new to Glocks. I got my first 19 gen 4 a few months ago. Within a few days I had it detailed strip and was ordering aftermarket/polishing the internals. They all look the same on the inside. I've shot the 17, 19, and 26. I don't care for 40 calibers, therefore I am not sure what the model number is for that Glock, but his was a gen 4. When I asked him to field strip it he said he didn't know how, but he knew it involved having to pull the trigger. Again, I have no reason to lie here. I was shocked, and figured the rest of the hive would find it interesting as well. I'm not the brightest bulb in the world, I couldn't even fabricate this story if I tried. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:49:09 AM EDT
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At my place they taught field stripping once and if you don't practice, and arent a "gun type", it's easy enough to forget. Seen it happen.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:53:00 AM EDT
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In my academy, we spent the first few weeks of pistol instruction just dry-firing, and going over operation, field-stripping / reassembling, and maintenance of our Glocks and 870s. Of course, there are still complete retards who have no idea what to do, as evidenced by all of the puzzled looks, beat-to-shit brushes in our cleaning house, and occasional stray recoil-assembly.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:01:33 AM EDT
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued, forget what model but it was a full size fohty. Said it only had about 200 rounds through it. Anyways he asked me if I knew how to clean it, and if you needed any special tools or cleaner to clean it . I thought he was just busting my balls for shits and giggles but I laughed then realized he was serious.
He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. So I proceed to take it down and field strip it and show him what to clean. The gun still had some packing grease inside the slide around the rail area. But other than that it was absolutely bone dry. Not one drop of oil anywhere in it. He also didn't know he needed to oil certain spots on it. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? First, packing grease, you mean the gold "packing" grease, no it is not packing grease, those are wear in grease to help the weapon to wear in. Second, most department discourages individual officer to service their weapon other than cleaning the barrel. As it was mentioned before, not all officers are gun people, and tend to have limited mechanical knowledge. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:07:47 AM EDT
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First, packing grease, you mean the gold "packing" grease, no it is not packing grease, those are wear in grease to help the weapon to wear in. Second, most department discourages individual officer to service their weapon other than cleaning the barrel. As it was mentioned before, not all officers are gun people, and tend to have limited mechanical knowledge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued, forget what model but it was a full size fohty. Said it only had about 200 rounds through it. Anyways he asked me if I knew how to clean it, and if you needed any special tools or cleaner to clean it . I thought he was just busting my balls for shits and giggles but I laughed then realized he was serious.
He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. So I proceed to take it down and field strip it and show him what to clean. The gun still had some packing grease inside the slide around the rail area. But other than that it was absolutely bone dry. Not one drop of oil anywhere in it. He also didn't know he needed to oil certain spots on it. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? First, packing grease, you mean the gold "packing" grease, no it is not packing grease, those are wear in grease to help the weapon to wear in. Second, most department discourages individual officer to service their weapon other than cleaning the barrel. As it was mentioned before, not all officers are gun people, and tend to have limited mechanical knowledge. Yes it was gold. Thank you for the correction. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:27:19 AM EDT
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He was playing dumb to see how much of a gun nut you were OP. Now you are on the list.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:30:36 AM EDT
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He was playing dumb to see how much of a gun nut you were OP. Now you are on the list. Yep. Don't tell him you have a dag. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:32:52 AM EDT
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I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Met the girlfriend units best friend and her husband who is police. Got a nice brand new Glock issued He brought it down I asked him to clear it and take it down since I was in the other room conversing. He tells me he doesn't know how to take it down. Do they not teach you to clean/maintain your own guns or is there armorers that do that for you in the station? I got a hard time buying this one, sorry. Far too much liability in today's cop world for any of that to happen. He might be a reserve cop or not a cop at all, but he isn't a real cop and as bad as you portrait. Doesn't happen. Stickman as much as I would love to agree with you I cant. Ive been a cop for 20 years now and sadly I've seen it. Now its not the norm as GD wants so badly to believe but it happens. Had a guy couldn't load or operate a Remington 870, same guy that honestly didn't know you had to rack the slide to chamber a round. He thought when you put the magazine in you were good to go. I ask one of his academy mates about this and he said they would pretty much load his pistol and put it in his holster. Had a guy tell me this week Glocks cannot be oiled, said they were designed for no oil and would not work if oiled. Picture of the female cop putting the mag in the AR backwards, seen it. I always checked the barrel of the shotgun in a vertical rack, gum wrappers, cigar butts, a condom once(no shit, used fucking condom.) Saw a guy using a loaded Sig as a hammer Saw a guy using his pistol mounted light to check addressed on houses. Seen some stupid shit with cops and guns, so yeah I believe it.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:33:40 AM EDT
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Sounds like my dad. Was a cop for well over 2 decades but barely knows how to maintain a glock 22/23 (his agency's weapons). Anything else and he usually gets me to show him, sometimes after he fucks something up first.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:35:12 AM EDT
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We teach our guys. HOWEVER, as said, "police" does NOT equal "gun guy"... and I can tell you from first-hand experience that some guys are REALLY not gun guys and forget how to field strip their Glocks. Not many, but a couple. Interestingly, one of them is a pretty good shooter even though he only shoots at the annual qual. We've instituted a monthly mandatory cleaning during the shift, in part to reinforce how to field strip weapons. I believe the OP's story. The asst chief at my last agency was cleaning his glock in the road room. Racked the slide, dropped the mag, pulled the trigger........yup in that order. Two dead Motorola Radios. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 3:15:44 AM EDT
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Every agency that I know of field strips and cleans their own weapon. I know most of them are trained right at the academy on how to strip them and keep them maintained. Most departments have an armourer for any actual issues, but everyone cleans their own gun. This. Yup. Part of the firearms module in our academy. Everyone breaks there's down, cleans them, puts them back together, then function checks them. We have Glock, M&P, and 1911 armorers. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:13:25 AM EDT
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Every agency that I know of field strips and cleans their own weapon. I know most of them are trained right at the academy on how to strip them and keep them maintained. Most departments have an armourer for any actual issues, but everyone cleans their own gun. And after we qualify you have to clean your weapon before you can leave |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:56:02 AM EDT
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Cops does not equal gun enthusiasts. No they don't teach them that shit. They reach them local, state and federal laws pertaining to the current local governments views on issues. Dude my dad was a fletc instructor. I finally got him to give me his first pistol purchase a moel 60 in the 70's. IT was pitted and all dinged up. THE GRIPS STANK SO BAD MY SMITH HAD TO THROW THEM IN THE OUTSIDE GARBAGE! He said he tossed them in the shop garbage and then went and fished them out because they stank so bad from years of ankle carry and no cleaning. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:23:21 AM EDT
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I attended the Glock Armorers Course when it was held at the Dothan Police Station. There were 2 civilians in the class along with 20+ police officers from the DPD and surrounding forces. Sorry, Sparky, but unless the 20 DPD officers were full time members of the armed forces, all of you were 'civilians'. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:26:29 AM EDT
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Cops does not equal gun enthusiasts. No they don't teach them that shit. They reach them local, state and federal laws pertaining to the current local governments views on issues. This. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:31:45 AM EDT
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Cops does not equal gun enthusiasts. No they don't teach them that shit. They reach them local, state and federal laws pertaining to the current local governments views on issues. And the most effective ways to use those laws to provide a robust income stream for the government. Since relieving people of their freedom can sometimes be dangerous they provide weapons which the revenue agent may or may not know how to use. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:36:23 AM EDT
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Sorry, Sparky, but unless the 20 DPD officers were full time members of the armed forces, all of you were 'civilians'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I attended the Glock Armorers Course when it was held at the Dothan Police Station. There were 2 civilians in the class along with 20+ police officers from the DPD and surrounding forces. Sorry, Sparky, but unless the 20 DPD officers were full time members of the armed forces, all of you were 'civilians'. I knew it was only a matter of time. Any LE thread in GD always ends in hate. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:39:35 AM EDT
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Just wait until you get to the shooting range with him.
Some of the best AND worst shooters I have been to the range with were police.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:40:46 AM EDT
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I knew it was only a matter of time. Any LE thread in GD always ends in hate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I attended the Glock Armorers Course when it was held at the Dothan Police Station. There were 2 civilians in the class along with 20+ police officers from the DPD and surrounding forces. Sorry, Sparky, but unless the 20 DPD officers were full time members of the armed forces, all of you were 'civilians'. I knew it was only a matter of time. Any LE thread in GD always ends in hate. How is that hate? It's pointing out an obvious error. Ironhandjohn was 100% correct. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:43:32 AM EDT
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How is that hate? It's pointing out an obvious error. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I attended the Glock Armorers Course when it was held at the Dothan Police Station. There were 2 civilians in the class along with 20+ police officers from the DPD and surrounding forces. Sorry, Sparky, but unless the 20 DPD officers were full time members of the armed forces, all of you were 'civilians'. I knew it was only a matter of time. Any LE thread in GD always ends in hate. How is that hate? It's pointing out an obvious error. Oh, my bad. Thanks for pointing out that obvious error. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:47:55 AM EDT
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They had a small portion in firearms week that was dedicated to cleaning and maintenance
of your duty weapon in the academy I attended. We have 2 department armorers, (I am one of them), who inspect all department weapons, and replace any bad or out of spec parts twice a year. Usually after spring and fall qualifications. Other than that, officers are expected to clean and maintain their own weapons, and we do have occasional inspections to make sure no one is getting lax or not doing it. We are a small department, have some who are "gun guys" and some who are not. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:00:46 AM EDT
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In my academy, we spent the first few weeks of pistol instruction just dry-firing, and going over operation, field-stripping / reassembling, and maintenance of our Glocks and 870s. I wish we had a few weeks of pistol instruction in the academy. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:02:14 AM EDT
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hide your dag. oh and wait for him to call for a ban on assault clips!
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:46:26 AM EDT
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Stickman as much as I would love to agree with you I cant. Ive been a cop for 20 years now and sadly I've seen it. Now its not the norm as GD wants so badly to believe but it happens. Had a guy couldn't load or operate a Remington 870, same guy that honestly didn't know you had to rack the slide to chamber a round. He thought when you put the magazine in you were good to go. I ask one of his academy mates about this and he said they would pretty much load his pistol and put it in his holster. Had a guy tell me this week Glocks cannot be oiled, said they were designed for no oil and would not work if oiled. Picture of the female cop putting the mag in the AR backwards, seen it. I always checked the barrel of the shotgun in a vertical rack, gum wrappers, cigar butts, a condom once(no shit, used fucking condom.) Saw a guy using a loaded Sig as a hammer Saw a guy using his pistol mounted light to check addressed on houses. Seen some stupid shit with cops and guns, so yeah I believe it.There is no need to oil a Glock. You can do it but there is simply no need for it. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:55:56 AM EDT
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In the Acedemy I qualified with a revolver, had one chief aske me to put a few rounds in his target... I thought about it, thought about a couple of misses.... have a Chief that can not carry now
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