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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:09:29 PM EDT
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Terrorists.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:11:39 PM EDT
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Murdering scumbag terrorists who refuse to respect the 1997 ceasefire in Northern Ireland.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:12:38 PM EDT
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans.
There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:13:35 PM EDT
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Terrorists. Period. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:15:41 PM EDT
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Supplying guns to the SOA.
ETA... I had the opportunity to train with a former SAS off and on over a few years, and his comments and observations on the IRA were interesting. Yes... terrorists! |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:17:22 PM EDT
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:18:01 PM EDT
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Murdering scum at best.
Commies at worst. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:23:18 PM EDT
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That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. The Real IRA was responsible for the Omagh bombing in which 29 innocent people were killed, including "Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon teenager, five other teenagers, six children, a woman pregnant with twins, two Spanish tourists, and other tourists on a day trip from the Republic of Ireland" I think it is safe to call them terrorists. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:25:43 PM EDT
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The Real IRA was responsible for the Omagh bombing in which 29 innocent people were killed, including "Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon teenager, five other teenagers, six children, a woman pregnant with twins, two Spanish tourists, and other tourists on a day trip from the Republic of Ireland" I think it is safe to call them terrorists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. The Real IRA was responsible for the Omagh bombing in which 29 innocent people were killed, including "Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon teenager, five other teenagers, six children, a woman pregnant with twins, two Spanish tourists, and other tourists on a day trip from the Republic of Ireland" I think it is safe to call them terrorists. interesting poster is interesting. 
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:27:49 PM EDT
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They Kill Horses.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:30:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Terrorist as in terrorist, at least after 1921 or so.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:35:39 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents?
How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:37:04 PM EDT
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Terrorist as in terrorist, at least after 1920 or so. «tc2k11» So, is terrorism ever a morally defensible means to an end? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:39:15 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... what in the name of blue fuck are you talking about? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:40:37 PM EDT
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what in the name of blue fuck are you talking about? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... what in the name of blue fuck are you talking about? Plastic paddy babble. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:44:04 PM EDT
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So, is terrorism ever a morally defensible means to an end? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Terrorist as in terrorist, at least after 1920 or so. «tc2k11» So, is terrorism ever a morally defensible means to an end? Que? No. Prior to 1921 or so, the IRA went after arguably or obviously legitimate targets, and they were no more brutal or non-discriminating than the British ("black and tans," etc.). After 1921, I don't know much. «tc2k11» |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:45:51 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... Is it St Patrick's Day already? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:48:26 PM EDT
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Is it St Patrick's Day already? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... Is it St Patrick's Day already? Dude, he's totally Irish. He drinks Guiness, and everything. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:48:49 PM EDT
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Que? No. Prior to 1921 or so, the IRA went after arguably or obviously legitimate targets, and they were no more brutal or non-discriminating than the British ("black and tans," etc.). After 1921, I don't know much. «tc2k11» Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Terrorist as in terrorist, at least after 1920 or so. «tc2k11» So, is terrorism ever a morally defensible means to an end? Que? No. Prior to 1921 or so, the IRA went after arguably or obviously legitimate targets, and they were no more brutal or non-discriminating than the British ("black and tans," etc.). After 1921, I don't know much. «tc2k11» I disagree about terrorism *never* being a morally defensible strategy. I won't argue about the troubles or the IRA, specifically. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 3:53:29 PM EDT
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I disagree about terrorism *never* being a morally defensible strategy. I won't argue about the troubles or the IRA, specifically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Terrorist as in terrorist, at least after 1920 or so. «tc2k11» So, is terrorism ever a morally defensible means to an end? Que? No. Prior to 1921 or so, the IRA went after arguably or obviously legitimate targets, and they were no more brutal or non-discriminating than the British ("black and tans," etc.). After 1921, I don't know much. «tc2k11» I disagree about terrorism *never* being a morally defensible strategy. I won't argue about the troubles or the IRA, specifically. Well, I'm not sure any more what anyone means when they say "terrorist," so that may be a source of confusion for me. «tc2k11» |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:00:54 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... Please enlighten me - how many terrorist atrocities have the SAS and the Protestant paramilitaries carried out since the 1997 ceasefire? That is what we're talking about you know, the Real IRA (that the OP asked about and that the US considers to be a terrorist group) are a splinter group created in 1997 when the Provisional IRA called a ceasefire. Please tell me you know that already and aren't just another plastic paddy spewing out the usual BS. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:10:01 PM EDT
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Terrorists who kill innocents in the name of their religion.
Sound familiar? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:16:07 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... FFS. 
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:19:59 PM EDT
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Terrorists who kill innocents in the name of their religion. Sound familiar? From the beginning of the troubles, it wasn't so much about the Catholics and Protestants as it was about the "haves" and "have nots." The religious divide was a convenient, and mostly accurate, way of delineating the two sides of the argument. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:21:43 PM EDT
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Many were/are communists, from the 1970's and on
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Terrorists with less of a cause every day since Operation Banner ended in 2007. The reality is the people of N. Ireland Catholics and Protestants want to be part of the UK and the Real IRA wants to use force to change that. The people of N. Ireland certainly benefit more economically being part of the UK over Ireland. Irish Republicanism is a dying cause left over from the troubles.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 4:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Terrorists with less of a cause every day since Operation Banner ended in 2007. The reality is the people of N. Ireland Catholics and Protestants want to be part of the UK and the Real IRA wants to use force to change that. The people of N. Ireland certainly benefit more economically being part of the UK over Ireland. Irish Republicanism is a dying cause left over from the troubles. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:05:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation...  |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:13:39 PM EDT
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interesting poster is interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. The Real IRA was responsible for the Omagh bombing in which 29 innocent people were killed, including "Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon teenager, five other teenagers, six children, a woman pregnant with twins, two Spanish tourists, and other tourists on a day trip from the Republic of Ireland" I think it is safe to call them terrorists. interesting poster is interesting. er thanks... I think? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:16:38 PM EDT
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I'm going to go lite and say,
1 account warning 1 thread lock |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:18:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:18:02 PM EDT
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I'm going to go lite and say, 1 account warning 1 thread lock IRA thread often go that way. This thread isn't about the original IRA or the Provisional IRA, but most posting here can't comprehend that too well. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:19:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:20:23 PM EDT
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IRA thread often go that way. This thread isn't about the original IRA or the Provisional IRA, but most posting here can't comprehend that too well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to go lite and say, 1 account warning 1 thread lock IRA thread often go that way. This thread isn't about the original IRA or the Provisional IRA, but most posting here can't comprehend that too well. Surprised you see a difference between the Real IRA and the Provos. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMountbatten has nothing to do with the Real IRA who were formed in 1997 and thankfully is but a pale shadow of the provisional IRA. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:29:18 PM EDT
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Mountbatten has nothing to do with the Real IRA who were formed in 1997 and thankfully is but a pale shadow of the provisional IRA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mountbatten has nothing to do with the Real IRA who were formed in 1997 and thankfully is but a pale shadow of the provisional IRA. They chose their name. says enough about the Real IRA affiliation for me. Luckily they are but a shadow of the Provos. But that's not because they don't want to be. 
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:29:55 PM EDT
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Real IRA = Bad. Original IRA? Well, I'm not going to say.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:31:24 PM EDT
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Terrorists with less of a cause every day since Operation Banner ended in 2007. The reality is the people of N. Ireland Catholics and Protestants want to be part of the UK and the Real IRA wants to use force to change that. The people of N. Ireland certainly benefit more economically being part of the UK over Ireland. Irish Republicanism is a dying cause left over from the troubles. I visited Ireland and Northern Ireland a couple years ago. The younger people can't even fathom what all of the stupidity was over. Most of the older people are glad it's over. What amazed me is that the only way you knew you crossed from Ireland into Northern Ireland, was that the road signs were now in miles and mph, with no Gaelic anywhere. While lost in Belfast on my first ever day of driving on the left side of the road, I did see a huge mural painted on a building of a masked man wielding a shotgun. I think it was for the Ulster Liberation Front or something like that, but it looked old. And yes, the people of Northern Ireland can vote for independence any time they want to now. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:39:41 PM EDT
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It would be neat if some one from Ireland would chime in and give us all a lesson. Yes, I'm sure it is easily found on Google but a real, live persons input would be interesting. The facts and all, history class sort of. It's always interested me, the 'troubles' etc., as my grandmother was indeed Irish but she passed before I ever knew her.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:41:25 PM EDT
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We had a guy that had IRA tats show up in town one time and say for about a year then he was just gone one day.
He was a cool guy and all but he was a bit  some times.
I'm 100% sure he was in hiding. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:43:36 PM EDT
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That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. How many random people going about their business, including many children, did the founding fathers rip to pieces? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:45:44 PM EDT
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How many random people going about their business, including many children, did the founding fathers rip to pieces? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. How many random people going about their business, including many children, did the founding fathers rip to pieces? Shelling towns with cannon count?  Quite a few i bet if they didn't leave ahead of time.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:48:39 PM EDT
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... The IRA may have started out as a purely nationalistic organization, but in the 20th century they were infiltrated and co-opted by the communists during the cold war as a destabilizing factor against the West. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:04:54 PM EDT
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It would be neat if some one from Ireland would chime in and give us all a lesson. My brother served 5 tours in Northern Ireland getting shot at and blown up by PIRA (not Real IRA), does that count? |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:06:46 PM EDT
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That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. the founding fathers might be considered terrorists from a certain segment of our society but not from most people. the founders did everything possible to not have a armed conflict and when the British came they still sued for a peaceful resolution. the IRA just kills people even if it doesn't further their political ambitions. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:31:59 PM EDT
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the founding fathers might be considered terrorists from a certain segment of our society but not from most people. the founders did everything possible to not have a armed conflict and when the British came they still sued for a peaceful resolution. the IRA just kills people even if it doesn't further their political ambitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. the founding fathers might be considered terrorists from a certain segment of our society but not from most people. the founders did everything possible to not have a armed conflict and when the British came they still sued for a peaceful resolution. the IRA just kills people even if it doesn't further their political ambitions. This. Also, Communists. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:40:44 PM EDT
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I honestly don't know much about them. What are their goals? They are listed as a terrorist organization, but is that terrorist as in ISIS or terrorist as in Joe Patriot? I'm about as republican as a first generation American can be, but those guys are terrorists. The ballot box is the way to go, now. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:44:18 PM EDT
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the founding fathers might be considered terrorists from a certain segment of our society but not from most people. the founders did everything possible to not have a armed conflict and when the British came they still sued for a peaceful resolution. the IRA just kills people even if it doesn't further their political ambitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not going to get an unbiased look at the IRA or "the troubles" from a site nearly wholly populated by Americans. There's a shit-ton of literature out there from every vantage point you can imagine. Go read the history and form your own conclusion. That was what I was wondering. The founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards, but then again no one doubts ISIS is a bunch on murdering thugs. the founding fathers might be considered terrorists from a certain segment of our society but not from most people. the founders did everything possible to not have a armed conflict and when the British came they still sued for a peaceful resolution. the IRA just kills people even if it doesn't further their political ambitions. The kicker is that they have absolutely no chance of getting what they want by a vote so they try to get it by violence. Hallmark of a bunch of wannabe dictator terrorists. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:46:43 PM EDT
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Dude, he's totally Irish. He drinks Guiness, and everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SAS kill any Catholic innocents? How about the Protestants? NO blame? Two sides don't be blind. England stomps another independent nation... Is it St Patrick's Day already? Dude, he's totally Irish. He drinks Guiness, and everything. In which case he must be aware that St. Patrick was English. |
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