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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:22:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:22:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Now that's pretty awesome.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:24:44 PM EDT
[#3]
As long as you didn't hit stagnant water.....
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:27:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment. Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room.... Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:29:09 PM EDT
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We better ban it. It could also be used as a weapon.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:30:09 PM EDT
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We better ban it. It could also be used as a weapon. For the kids, right? |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:30:40 PM EDT
[#7]
Interesting. I wonder if it's a controlled release and how much heat (if any) the reaction generates.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:33:50 PM EDT
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I'd like a never ending supply of o2 for my oxy propane torch please!
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:38:12 PM EDT
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:40:35 PM EDT
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http://news.discovery.com/adventure/new-crystal-could-let-divers-breathe-underwater-141002.htm#mkcpgn=rssnws1 Sounds like dangerous assed stuff. Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room.... Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment. Sounds like dangerous assed stuff. Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room.... Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink. First thing that I thought of as well. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:43:05 PM EDT
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I think I read somewhere that the "corrected" version of this is that it take about 10 liters of material to suck up a roomful of oxygen, not a spoonful. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:43:24 PM EDT
[#12]
SCUBA hell...
This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion.... |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:44:44 PM EDT
[#13]
First line of story negates the tech savvy of the reporter.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:46:15 PM EDT
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Considering that it is generally considered dangerous to breathe pure oxygen below 20fsw (~1.6ata pp02), I say this is BS.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:46:52 PM EDT
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Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear. DSS is better value for money.  With that being said, I bought a 30lbs Eclipse before learning about DSS.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:47:51 PM EDT
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I'm dubious of such claims.
And if it is real, get ready for lots and lots of fires when people release oxygen in the wrong place at the wrong time |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We better ban it. It could also be used as a weapon. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine. At more than 20 feet, well........ 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:57:22 PM EDT
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Screw diving-think about the possibilities it has as an oxidizer. New fuels, more potent energetic materials, the eventual uses for long term space exploration... And if they can figure something out that will bond with carbon permanently, stuff hippies full of it as a carbon sink in areas like China, where they're pumping greenhouse gasses out like something out of a Dickens novel.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:57:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First thing that I thought of as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment. Sounds like dangerous assed stuff. Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room.... Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink. First thing that I thought of as well.  |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:57:42 PM EDT
[#21]
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Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear. I won't miss lugging those manifolded doubles and stages though. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:03:17 PM EDT
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If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine. At more than 20 feet, well........
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine. At more than 20 feet, well........
Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available. That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available. That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine. At more than 20 feet, well........
Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available. That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues. It would have to be a component of some complex closed-loop system controlled by some complex electronics, like a rebreather is now. So in other words, it would price 99.9% of divers out of the market, again, just like rebreathers already do. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:23:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Generating oxygen is only half the battle. CO2 must be scrubbed or split into C and O2.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:27:10 PM EDT
[#25]
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers This is where I was going. Not to mention the effects of depth... |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:42:54 PM EDT
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First line of story negates the tech savvy of the reporter. Years ago, I would have expected Discovery to follows such simple standards as writing articles that aren't totally ignorant of their subject. Now I'm confused about why they'd even bother with a news item like this. Maybe a psychic found it in Amish Country while shopping for a wedding dress. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:46:15 PM EDT
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SCUBA hell... This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion.... Yeah, this would have applications WAY beyond recreational diving. First of all, let's talk about where it's getting the energy for this trick... 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:56:40 PM EDT
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Years ago, I would have expected Discovery.... Now you're making me miss OMNI. :( Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it. Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field. 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:22:46 PM EDT
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SCUBA hell... This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion.... That's what I'm thinking. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:40:30 PM EDT
[#30]
One fun use would be subs. Diesel motors can simply eject the co2
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:43:15 PM EDT
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Now that's pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:52:36 PM EDT
[#32]
We must turn this technology into a grenade.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:03:42 PM EDT
[#33]
That stuff would burn like gunpowder.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:13:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:21:20 PM EDT
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Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition. This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:23:14 PM EDT
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Anyone know just what this shit is?
Something with cobalt in it... |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:27:49 PM EDT
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Didn't the Japs use this as a weapon to kill Godzilla in the 1st movie?
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:20:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Great way to put out fires, just figure out the ins and outs.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:23:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I read somewhere that the "corrected" version of this is that it take about 10 liters of material to suck up a roomful of oxygen, not a spoonful. The molarity they are talking about doesn't fit the ratios they are talking about.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:38:07 PM EDT
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We must turn this technology into a grenade. the future of grenades/flashbangs? |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:54:14 PM EDT
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Link to better story: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140930113254.htm
Link to abstract of actual science journal article: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/SC/C4SC01636J#!divAbstract (a little too deep for me). One of the cool things about this discovery is that it would allow combustion to take place in pure oxygen environments. Take O2 out of the air and release it in a combustion chamber.  I wonder what the energy requirements are for the releasing the O2.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:57:04 PM EDT
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SCUBA hell... This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion.... If the oxygen density is greater than that of liquid oxygen it would be very useful for space flight applications. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:08:46 PM EDT
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We must turn this technology into a grenade. Bullets also. They would suck the tissue's oxygen and not just mechanically destroy it. Stop the bleeding with a compress just to make things worse until the bullet is removed. If the O2 liberation is highly exothermic make it be triggered when the bullet is pulled out or after a few minutes absorbing oxygen. Dang... demonic weapon. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:10:34 PM EDT
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Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available. That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine. At more than 20 feet, well........
Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available. That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues. I would imagine that they would just use it like a longer lasting rebreather. There has to be a release of some sort of energy to get 02 out, so that would be the control. I do feel that diving is on the very low end of possibilities if this stuff really works. Longer space flights, more efficient engines and energy production, weapons, medical field (wound healing, home 02 users, etc). Im confident that there will be a breakthrough regardless if this works in the field of molecular generation/splitting giving a more efficient and widespread ability to break down C02, water, etc. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:16:26 PM EDT
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This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition. This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water. So it won't replace scuba after all? 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:22:16 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it won't replace scuba after all? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition. This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water. So it won't replace scuba after all? |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:30:43 PM EDT
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Now you're making me miss OMNI. :( Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it. Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Years ago, I would have expected Discovery.... Now you're making me miss OMNI. :( Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it. Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field. That was probably a fun conversation when the first penthouse showed up. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:31:11 PM EDT
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I think I read somewhere that the "corrected" version of this is that it take about 10 liters of material to suck up a roomful of oxygen, not a spoonful. You kids. it strips and holds Oxygen from a medium, like water and when you release a deep breath of it into your lungs.
It will start to generate another. But remember you have a second dose. So while one is being used one will be regenerating. Best construct I can come up with on short notice is. One set of lungs will remove all Oxygen from a room with time. Fifty sets will "suck up a room full of Oxygen" Much faster. How much would be needed for breaths one through five before breath one was replenished. That's the question. The Oxygen version of a nitrogen generator. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:32:11 PM EDT
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers Well sure you do on deco. And all the time, it just happens to be mixed with other things. But you don't metabolize the other things. If it can release it at 3600 psi I'm in. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:33:49 PM EDT
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1: obtain crystals
2: mix in with tannerite 3. ????? 4: profit |
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