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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:45:12 PM EDT
I saw a Smithsonian documentary about the 747 recently.  They had an Air Force One pilot talking about the plane, and when he mentioned the classified defenses Air Force One has... well I don't know why, but I got the distinct impression that it might have offensive weaponry on board.  Not just countermeasures, but offensive weapons.  The more I thought about it, the more it made sense.  I figure it would be fairly easy to retrofit a 747 with a retractable gun turret or a weapons bay with missiles.
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If it did, no one that knew would talk about it here.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:46:30 PM EDT
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speculating, of course.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:47:25 PM EDT
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I'm thinking that Air Force One would fly with fighter escort(s).

Aloha, Mark
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It doesn't always.  In fact, it frequently doesn't.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:48:56 PM EDT
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When threatened, it turns into a big-assed robot.





Nick


Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:50:16 PM EDT
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I'm not sure about Air Force One, but this is President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho's plane....


Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:51:30 PM EDT
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I wouldn't imagine it would, but I'm pretty sure the fighter escorts have that capability...;)
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:59:11 PM EDT
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They have door gunners.
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Like space shuttles?
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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:01:43 AM EDT
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Beware the 747 out of the sun.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:01:44 AM EDT
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A gun turret would be defensive.  No, why would it have offensive weapons?? Unless you consider the "football" onboard as an offensive weapon.
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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:08:00 AM EDT
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Nope.



D only.
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Like space shuttles?



Yep!
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:10:44 AM EDT
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That is the space shuttle
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:14:40 AM EDT
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Well they would certainly be defensive, but I get what you mean. Weapons rather than countermeasures.

I don't know and imagine no one is saying, but I do know that Hawker Siddeley Nimrods were retrofitted with Sidewinders during the Falklands ass kicking.

Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:17:41 AM EDT
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It has an escape pod.

Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:18:52 AM EDT
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Don't know about that, but it has a hot tub.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:20:16 AM EDT
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And Marine One has a Starbucks Barista.
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And President Comacho himself manning the door gun.


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I have a lovely salsa recipe.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:24:53 AM EDT
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I'm sure it has flares or chaff to distract incoming.  I wonder if it has any jamming capabilities?
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Smuckers
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:26:54 AM EDT
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Ronnie would clean their clocks at 1,000 yards.

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Smuckers


Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:27:44 AM EDT
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I'd be shocked if it didn't.


I think it would be easy to add some sidewinders inside a hidden weapons bay.  I doubt it has radar-guided missiles, but IR missiles would be an easy mod.
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Damn I miss that man!
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:30:15 AM EDT
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They took the internal weapons bay out when they put the mini putting green in.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:32:23 AM EDT
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No weapons, no escape pod. At least that is the "official" reply. That doesn't mean it doesn't have these things, only that they declare it as such.
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There is a water bed in the nose. When under attack the water is pumped outside to make a cloud the plane can hide behind.

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Not sure if it would be allowed into other country's airspace if it did.  But then again, that would be quite an international incident if they refused.
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Well they would certainly be defensive, but I get what you mean. Weapons rather than countermeasures.

I don't know and imagine no one is saying, but I do know that Hawker Siddeley Nimrods were retrofitted with Sidewinders during the Falklands ass kicking.

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Sidewinders are awesome, and relatively easy to retrofit or integrate into an aircraft.  I think everyone should have them!  
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SPNI
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Well, the flight of F15's is...
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:55:06 AM EDT
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A gun turret would be defensive.  No, why would it have offensive weapons?? Unless you consider the "football" onboard as an offensive weapon.
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I think he's thinking in terms of "passive" vs. "active" defense.

 



Passive defense being defending yourself via evasion, stealth, maneuvering, armor, countermeasures, etc. (Like popping flares/chaff, radar jamming, etc).




Active Defense being weapons that defend yourself by killing what is a threat to you.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:56:38 AM EDT
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Rumor has it that chaff and flare countermeasures have been replaced by "K-FOD"  systems (Kinetic Foreign Object Defense)
dispensers.

System is activated by a "Bogey" - thousands of golf-balls are dumped out a special deployment system into then enemies flight path.  

Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:58:06 AM EDT
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What would you shoot at, exactly?  I doubt any country is stupid enough to shoot it down with a fighter, which leaves guerrillas with shitty ancient Soviet MANPAD systems.
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Only one man would dare give me the raspberry!
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:01:28 AM EDT
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What would you shoot at, exactly?  I doubt any country is stupid enough to shoot it down with a fighter, which leaves guerrillas with shitty ancient Soviet MANPAD systems.
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Like those Ukrainian rebels.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:23:32 AM EDT
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The cargo is pretty fucking offensive.
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I saw a Smithsonian documentary about the 747 recently.  They had an Air Force One pilot talking about the plane, and when he mentioned the classified defenses Air Force One has... well I don't know why, but I got the distinct impression that it might have offensive weaponry on board.  Not just countermeasures, but offensive weapons.  The more I thought about it, the more it made sense.  I figure it would be fairly easy to retrofit a 747 with a retractable gun turret or a weapons bay with missiles.
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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:37:26 AM EDT
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This might sound stupid but...It's a giant flying house. How hard could it be to disguise a rotary launcher for some AIM-9's? I don't know either way, but it would make some sense to have offensive weapons.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it had a full electronic warfare suite on board.
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This might sound stupid but...It's a giant flying house. How hard could it be to disguise a rotary launcher for some AIM-9's? I don't know either way, but it would make some sense to have offensive weapons.





Glad I am not the only one who laughed about at the OP.

OP, you should feel bad.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:51:08 AM EDT
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I'm not saying its accurate, but I haven't seen into the nose of AF1 and neither have you...
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:59:16 AM EDT
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AF-1 is designed with high tech countermeasure systems - I do not know the specifics, but you can bet that it has chaff and flare dispensers at a minimum, along with some sort of dazzler system to confuse laser guided missiles.

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