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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:55:29 PM EDT
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kid might have been trying to put his hands up
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:57:46 PM EDT
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oh look, there's a body cam vindicating an officer. good.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:59:25 PM EDT
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kid might have been trying to put his hands up Which is why he said "no, fool" and kept walking away, backwards? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:59:50 PM EDT
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:02:14 PM EDT
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Drunk and suicide by cop.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:03:03 PM EDT
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? You're responding to investigate a report of 3 individuals walking around flashing a gun? Interesting. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:05:34 PM EDT
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:05:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Good shoot.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:07:19 PM EDT
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Good shoot.
PSA Stop fucking with the uniformed officers. Just stop it.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:07:49 PM EDT
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wow, suicide by cop..
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:09:13 PM EDT
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Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:09:51 PM EDT
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It won't make any difference in the minds of some, like those in the Ferguson riots. They make up their minds ahead of them as to what happened and why it happened, and the only thing they'll see or listen to is what agrees with their fantasy scenario or whips them into more of a frenzy.
At least it vindicates the officer in the eyes of the law, but IMO it won't make him any less of a target.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:11:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? What part of "reported armed" or "active felony warrants" and "acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt" did you miss?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:11:13 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Lol |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:12:02 PM EDT
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It won't make any difference in the minds of some, like those in the Ferguson riots. They make up their minds ahead of them as to what happened and why it happened, and the only thing they'll see or listen to is what agrees with their fantasy scenario or whips them into more of a frenzy. At least it vindicates the officer in the eyes of the law, but IMO it won't make him any less of a target. I am not one to pile on a Law Enforcement Officer, it just seems strange that they fired without seeing any weapon (I did not see any weapon, or anything that looked like a weapon), and I am not trolling at all when I ask, are they able to fire simply because they are afraid of what might be, as opposed to what actually is. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:12:50 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Believing that he had a gun, Cruz follows Taylor with his own gun now drawn. Another officer approaches from the other end of the parking lot. In the video, Cruz can clearly be heard yelling, "Get your hands up now." As Taylor continued to walk away from the officer and refused to show his hands, Cruz said, "I was 100 percent, 100 percent convinced when I saw him turn around it was gonna be a gunfight. I knew he had that gun, that he'd be trying to kill us." The officer told investigators that Taylor wasn't just "pulling up his pants" when he had his hands in his waistband. But even though Cruz said he thought there was about to be gunfire, he said he "wasn't about to shoot him in the back." By the time Taylor turned around and Cruz was forced to fire his weapon, he thought it was already too late. "I was scared to death. The last thought I had go through my mind when I pulled the trigger, and I'll never forget this … was that I was too late. I was too late. And because of that, I was gonna get killed. Worse, my (partner) was gonna get killed." |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:13:07 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Play stupid games win stupid prizes |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:13:47 PM EDT
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What part of "reported armed" or "active felony warrants" and "acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt" did you miss? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? What part of "reported armed" or "active felony warrants" and "acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt" did you miss? Not any of it. I read it as you did. I am wondering though, what would happen to me or any other citizen who is not a LEO, who shot someone because they were afraid of what could be, as opposed to what was really happening. That is a reasonable question to discuss, isn't it? As, we all are not LEO's here, but we all carry guns here. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:13:53 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:16:51 PM EDT
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Believing that he had a gun, Cruz follows Taylor with his own gun now drawn. Another officer approaches from the other end of the parking lot. In the video, Cruz can clearly be heard yelling, "Get your hands up now." As Taylor continued to walk away from the officer and refused to show his hands, Cruz said, "I was 100 percent, 100 percent convinced when I saw him turn around it was gonna be a gunfight. I knew he had that gun, that he'd be trying to kill us." The officer told investigators that Taylor wasn't just "pulling up his pants" when he had his hands in his waistband. But even though Cruz said he thought there was about to be gunfire, he said he "wasn't about to shoot him in the back." By the time Taylor turned around and Cruz was forced to fire his weapon, he thought it was already too late. "I was scared to death. The last thought I had go through my mind when I pulled the trigger, and I'll never forget this … was that I was too late. I was too late. And because of that, I was gonna get killed. Worse, my (partner) was gonna get killed." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Believing that he had a gun, Cruz follows Taylor with his own gun now drawn. Another officer approaches from the other end of the parking lot. In the video, Cruz can clearly be heard yelling, "Get your hands up now." As Taylor continued to walk away from the officer and refused to show his hands, Cruz said, "I was 100 percent, 100 percent convinced when I saw him turn around it was gonna be a gunfight. I knew he had that gun, that he'd be trying to kill us." The officer told investigators that Taylor wasn't just "pulling up his pants" when he had his hands in his waistband. But even though Cruz said he thought there was about to be gunfire, he said he "wasn't about to shoot him in the back." By the time Taylor turned around and Cruz was forced to fire his weapon, he thought it was already too late. "I was scared to death. The last thought I had go through my mind when I pulled the trigger, and I'll never forget this … was that I was too late. I was too late. And because of that, I was gonna get killed. Worse, my (partner) was gonna get killed." I understand, I am not trying to pin any blame for a bad shoot on the officer, I am trying to figure out what would happen to me, if in my home, I see someone and shoot them, and no weapon is found (Assume no castle doctrine). If I tell the truth that I was afraid because he had his back turned to me, and I did not want to shoot him in the back, but I shot him as soon as he turned. What would be the outcome? If this thread is simply to cheer that the LEO had a good shoot, I am good with that and will back out, if there is something I can learn that I can apply to my own life, thats good to. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:17:38 PM EDT
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Meh.... based on what I saw, I probably wouldn't have fired, but who knows. I'm not a cop... Still, I have no problem with this.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:17:46 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? That cop had every reason to believe he was in danger. May have been suicide by cop, or the kid may have just been stupid. Either way, good shoot. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:19:09 PM EDT
[#23]
<gets popcorn and pulls up a chair>
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:19:52 PM EDT
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there are too many problems with body cams to consider them effective. Why bother having it?
Good shoot. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:20:24 PM EDT
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I understand, I am not trying to pin any blame for a bad shoot on the officer, I am trying to figure out what would happen to me, if in my home, I see someone and shoot them, and no weapon is found (Assume no castle doctrine). If I tell the truth that I was afraid because he had his back turned to me, and I did not want to shoot him in the back, but I shot him as soon as he turned. What would be the outcome? If this thread is simply to cheer that the LEO had a good shoot, I am good with that and will back out, if there is something I can learn that I can apply to my own life, thats good to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> I understand, I am not trying to pin any blame for a bad shoot on the officer, I am trying to figure out what would happen to me, if in my home, I see someone and shoot them, and no weapon is found (Assume no castle doctrine). If I tell the truth that I was afraid because he had his back turned to me, and I did not want to shoot him in the back, but I shot him as soon as he turned. What would be the outcome? If this thread is simply to cheer that the LEO had a good shoot, I am good with that and will back out, if there is something I can learn that I can apply to my own life, thats good to. If bullfrogs had wings they would not bump their ass when they jump. You "what if" has nothing to do with anything that happened in the video. If you are serious and not a retread then I suggesst you enroll in a local legal class on using a firearm in self defense. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:20:33 PM EDT
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I understand, I am not trying to pin any blame for a bad shoot on the officer, I am trying to figure out what would happen to me, if in my home, I see someone and shoot them, and no weapon is found (Assume no castle doctrine). If I tell the truth that I was afraid because he had his back turned to me, and I did not want to shoot him in the back, but I shot him as soon as he turned. What would be the outcome? If this thread is simply to cheer that the LEO had a good shoot, I am good with that and will back out, if there is something I can learn that I can apply to my own life, thats good to. Depends on where you live and your local DA. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:20:49 PM EDT
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Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Part in red happens a lot. Property/business owners do it too. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:21:13 PM EDT
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Good shoot, yes.
In my earlier post i just meant that maybe the kid saw the cop had a gun drawn, realized "o fuck i better comply to these verbal orders to show my hands," and (fatally) pulled his hands out of his pants |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:23:49 PM EDT
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Good shoot. Good enough at least. That looked like a draw to me. I'm glad there's more evidence than just an officer saying they saw a furtive movement. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:24:03 PM EDT
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kid might have been trying to put his hands up 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:26:02 PM EDT
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If bullfrogs had wings they would not bump their ass when they jump. You "what if" has nothing to do with anything that happened in the video. If you are serious and not a retread then I suggesst you enroll in a local legal class on using a firearm in self defense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> I understand, I am not trying to pin any blame for a bad shoot on the officer, I am trying to figure out what would happen to me, if in my home, I see someone and shoot them, and no weapon is found (Assume no castle doctrine). If I tell the truth that I was afraid because he had his back turned to me, and I did not want to shoot him in the back, but I shot him as soon as he turned. What would be the outcome? If this thread is simply to cheer that the LEO had a good shoot, I am good with that and will back out, if there is something I can learn that I can apply to my own life, thats good to. If bullfrogs had wings they would not bump their ass when they jump. You "what if" has nothing to do with anything that happened in the video. If you are serious and not a retread then I suggesst you enroll in a local legal class on using a firearm in self defense. I did an Ayoob class and enjoyed it. I gather this is not a thread for discussion, I am happy the LEO's are unhurt, thanks for discussing as far as you did. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:26:04 PM EDT
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One less thug/entrepreneur/such-a-good-boy walking around spewing CO2. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:28:17 PM EDT
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Sounds like one less dirtbag in the world
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:31:43 PM EDT
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Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Gotta go with this. A civilian protecting themselves or their family is not forced into the same situation as a LEO responding to a call to investigate a possible crime. Looks like a good shoot based on the video. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:34:35 PM EDT
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It's not worth even trying to discuss this with the folks here in town. Most won't even acknowledge the actions of the kid, they are full of "They should have tazed him" or "Shoot him in the leg" type bullshit, and lets not forget his suicidal FB posts before the incident. It was a good shoot based upon the Utah self defense laws, and the body cam. Fucking people are just stupid.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:35:22 PM EDT
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It's not worth even trying to discuss this with the folks here in town. Most won't even acknowledge the actions of the kid, they are full of "They should have tazed him" or "Shoot him in the leg" type bullshit, and lets not forget his suicidal FB posts before the incident. Screen names? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:36:04 PM EDT
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Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? That's what I just saw. Hooolllee Hell what a dumb shit to put his hands anywhere near his waist band. He was asking for what he got. No fucks given at this point. Good shoot. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:44:26 PM EDT
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That's what I just saw. Hooolllee Hell what a dumb shit to put his hands anywhere near his waist band. He was asking for what he got. No fucks given at this point. Good shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? That's what I just saw. Hooolllee Hell what a dumb shit to put his hands anywhere near his waist band. He was asking for what he got. No fucks given at this point. Good shoot. He knew exactly what he was doing. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:45:38 PM EDT
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Good shoot. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:47:18 PM EDT
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Looks like he(dead Kid) made some bad choices. Good shoot.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: oh look, there's a body cam vindicating an officer. good. I knew this would be ruled a good shoot after finding out the officer had a body cam and hearing the normally PC-sensitive SLCPD Chief Burbank come out strongly in support of the officer. Burbank wouldn't have done that if there had been any doubt about the officer's actions. He had seen the video and knew what the ruling would be. Good shoot. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:00:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? If you confronted a trespasser in your home who 1) refused to obey your commands and 2) reached into his pants as if to grab something, I have no doubt you'd believe yourself to be in imminent danger. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It won't make any difference in the minds of some, like those in the Ferguson riots. They make up their minds ahead of them as to what happened and why it happened, and the only thing they'll see or listen to is what agrees with their fantasy scenario or whips them into more of a frenzy. At least it vindicates the officer in the eyes of the law, but IMO it won't make him any less of a target. The local Moonbat Brigade tried hard to make this into a Ferguson incident, but they didn't get any traction with the normally supportive SLC politicians. Probably because Burbank showed them the video, too. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:01:48 PM EDT
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He was makin' a move, he had to get it on
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:04:15 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Some of you people scare the shit out of me. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:04:46 PM EDT
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Good shoot.
I love cameras. I love them. Love them. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:15:24 PM EDT
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Good shoot. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:20:02 PM EDT
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What part of "reported armed" or "active felony warrants" and "acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt" did you miss? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? What part of "reported armed" or "active felony warrants" and "acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt" did you miss? He didn't process anything after "cop." I'll say it again. GD is the Ferguson of the internet. I'm surprised the ARF store hasn't been looted. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:21:48 PM EDT
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In before the riots, loads of "hands up don't shoot" signs, and comments about how it isn't safe for black children to walk the streets anymore.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:23:15 PM EDT
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Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would happen to you or me, if we shot someone without seeing a weapon? Are you confronting a reported armed burglary suspect who is drunk with active felony warrants that is acting like he is pulling a gun from under his shirt in direct confrontation with a uniformed person? Hmmm, I am not. So the police have no duty to have a reason to believe that they are in danger before they shoot someone? You must be fucking blind. Or maybe you're intentionally being obtuse. |
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