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Posted: 9/30/2014 6:41:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 6:47:17 AM EDT
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Because they did it once and an hour later they wanted to do it again. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:14:17 AM EDT
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They enjoy their freedom, freedom the rest of the country doesnt have.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:16:25 AM EDT
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How long before FBHO sides with Beijing?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:18:38 AM EDT
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It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:33:26 AM EDT
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It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now. Correct. It seems to me, that the steady erosion of their freedom, and more importantly the threat of the that erosion continuing, is why they are pushing back. But evidently, they are supposed to log into an internet discussion forum and bitch about loosing their freedom and not actually do something about it. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:57:38 AM EDT
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.
The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:04:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: NOTE: Occupy Central has no relation to our Occupy shitheads (as far as I know) If that's true, it's good to know. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:05:01 AM EDT
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. Don't bet on it, they will run them over with tanks if they threaten the communist ruling party |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:34:06 AM EDT
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Don't bet on it, they will run them over with tanks if they threaten the communist ruling party Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. Don't bet on it, they will run them over with tanks if they threaten the communist ruling party this. the only reason they haven't yet is massive news coverage. i suspect the chinese will "allow" the protests up to a point and then we will see a tippping point and the chicoms roll in and crush it. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:56:22 AM EDT
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The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point.
That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel. After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads. Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.? I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:01:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:02:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:03:46 AM EDT
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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:40:30 AM EDT
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It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now. Which they knew as soon as the UK left |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:41:38 AM EDT
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. lol they are much more likely to roll out the tanks. Communists don't do well with differences in opinion. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:46:40 AM EDT
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lol they are much more likely to roll out the tanks. Communists don't do well with differences in opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. lol they are much more likely to roll out the tanks. Communists don't do well with differences in opinion. and they don't really give a shit what we or anyone else thinks. especially when they fund out payroll. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:50:29 AM EDT
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Hong Kong's chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, demanded on Tuesday that pro-democracy demonstrators disperse "immediately," putting an end to protests that clogged the city center since Friday, though Leung gave no indication he would compromise on their demands. "Occupy Central founders had said repeatedly that if the movement is getting out of control, they would call for it to stop," said Leung. "I’m now asking them to fulfill the promise they made to society and stop this campaign immediately." Protest leaders, who want more opens elections, responded by threatening to expand their campaign to occupy government buildings.
Mainland China appears to have a limited toolkit to deal with the protests in Hong Kong. The territory's prosperity makes it relatively immune to Beijing's promises of an improved standard of living and its international visibility makes a violent crackdown -- almost sure to backfire -- more dangerous for the mainland government. "On the mainland, as long as you can control the streets with enough soldiers and guns, you can kill a protest, because everywhere else is already controlled: the press, the Internet, the schools, every neighborhood and every community," said Xiao Shu, a visiting scholar at National Chengchi University in Taiwan, and a writer from the mainland. "In Hong Kong, the streets are not the only battlefield, like on the mainland." Chinese censors had their busiest day of the year purging mention of the protests from Weibo, China's Twitter-like microblogging platform. Protesters want open elections for the chief executive position in 2017 -- the current plan calls for Beijing to vet and approve candidates -- and some have started calling for Leung's resignation. Leung, in turn, has called for protesters to consider the long-reaching consequences of the demonstrations. "Occupy Central and its impact isn’t a matter of days," he said. "It will last for a relatively long time. As a result, its impact on people’s lives and their personal safety in emergencies, as well as Hong Kong’s economic development and the cost to Hong Kong’s international image, will grow bigger and bigger. I hope everyone can consider these issues." |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:53:13 AM EDT
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Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War. It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:55:13 AM EDT
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Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War. It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either. Ah...the false equivelency argument! If your next post just includes "false American democracy" and "foreign occupation" and/or "foreign oppression" I'll give you the Chinese MFA triple word score! |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:57:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:00:49 AM EDT
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I read the title as King Kong and thought awesome, someone dressed up as King Kong and is protesting the president.
I feel let down this didn't happen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:04:48 AM EDT
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I've been to Hong Kong one time back in early 1995 (4 or 5 day port visit) on my first WESTPAC cruise. I thought the place was amazing, had a really good time.
I remember hearing that a time was coming that it was one day going to cease being a British colony and become a Chinese territory. While there I wondered what would these people do when that happened, leave? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:10:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Snip Because when HK was handed over to the PRC by the UK. The PRC promised that they wouldn't fuck with HK's internal policies, economy, and form of government for 50 years. The Commies lied and HK Citizens are getting fucked with. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point. That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel. After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads. Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.? I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out. I really wished the HK Citizenry was able to be armed. But to my knowledge HK's laws were worse than that of mainland UK. Also the UK cared more about business links with the PRC than the citizenry of HK.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:18:04 AM EDT
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Didn't their parents have something like a century's notice to GTFO?
I realize the younger protesters were just unlucky to be born into it, but this shouldn't be a fucking surprise to anyone, and China is a hell of a lot "nicer" than it was in 1998. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:31:10 AM EDT
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Chinese Spring
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Posted: 9/30/2014 12:11:25 PM EDT
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Because they did it once and an hour later they wanted to do it again. you're making me raff. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:09:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:13:17 PM EDT
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Chinese promised them relative autonomy after the handover from Britain; they're reneging now and specifying which candidates are allowed to run for office.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:15:42 PM EDT
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I've been to Hong Kong one time back in early 1995 (4 or 5 day port visit) on my first WESTPAC cruise. I thought the place was amazing, had a really good time. I remember hearing that a time was coming that it was one day going to cease being a British colony and become a Chinese territory. While there I wondered what would these people do when that happened, leave? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile IIRC, HK Chinese could "buy" Canadian citizenship for a million USD, leading to a large expat community in Vancouver. No idea why the US didn't jump on that bandwagon as well. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:17:55 PM EDT
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Chinese promised them relative autonomy after the handover from Britain; they're reneging now and specifying which candidates are allowed to run for office. Mainland communist party hacks want a taste of all the money flowing through Kowloon. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:19:33 PM EDT
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Hong Kong is tired of American pilots flying all the rubber dog shit out of their country.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:38:32 PM EDT
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Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War. It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either. No they don't because back then, Hong Kong is a colony, and is subjected to the British rule. Now Hong Kong is a Self Administrated Region (SAR), not a colony, broker by the Brits as a term when Hong Kong as a whole was returned to China. Even under the colony, the people of Hong Kong do participate in regional and local elections, which select members of several public administrators. Other public administrators are appointed by the governor. The Communist government of China have promised the people of Hong Kong, to have open election in 2017, but it change its mind, and only limited candidates the approved by the Chinese government. This is going to be a thorn in China side for years to come, especially with both Hong Kong and Macau, both being SAR. The civil disturbance in '62, '69 were started by the communist / socialist, backed by the Chinese government, when they try to force the British out. A show of force by the Brit, including landing Victor and Vulcan bombers, and a tank regimen in the military airport stop the nonsense. I was born there, and my father work for the RAAF back then. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:48:07 PM EDT
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:56:24 PM EDT
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed. The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:57:58 PM EDT
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me... |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:03:02 PM EDT
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Chinese Spring Roll FIFY. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:03:40 PM EDT
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The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed. The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. ...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed. The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK. This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:08:29 PM EDT
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As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese. The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule. If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism. As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me... Speaking with teenagers from China is fascinating. They are taught that Tinanenmen Square was nothing more than a bunch of terrorists. With that much distortion of the truth and covering for the ruling Regime, you'd think it was the US medi.. .. uh... I mean North Korea! |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:31:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:41:19 PM EDT
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But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK. This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed. The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK. This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC. Kinda what I was hoping for.^^^^^^^^^ |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:43:02 PM EDT
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...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed. The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK. ...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China. AND this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:20:12 AM EDT
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  #HongKong police seem to be very openly re-supplying riot equipment  Police seen carrying box marked 'corrosive' into govt HQ. Protesters concerned |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:10:20 PM EDT
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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise. The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau). |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:15:35 PM EDT
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The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise. The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau). Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:17:10 PM EDT
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It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now. I knew it was over when they took away the dirty panty vending machines. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:18:57 PM EDT
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The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point. That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel. After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads. Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.? I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out. Two words.... Falun Gong... 
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:19:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise. The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau). Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile With the take over of China by the PRC. Yes, they very well could have. The governing body they made the agreement with ceased to exist after the Commies took over. If I were running the UK I woukd have parked a couple of SSBNs off the coast, had the RAF armed with nukes, upped the Army numbers, and told China to fuck off.
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