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Posted: 9/24/2014 10:44:13 AM EDT
The Protector MCT-30 station is a turret solution designed for 25-50 mm cannons mounted on wheeled or tracked armoured vehicles. This 21st Century Turret with low signature and reduced weight provides increased mobility and survivability. The MCT-30 RWS can be fitted with co-axial machine gun, blue force tracker,, active protection systems and commanders independent Remote Weapon Station. This is the same 30mm Mk44 turret being tested for LAV III/Stryker. From Norway's Kongsberg Defence Systems. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 10:46:38 AM EDT
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i cant hot link it but here is the turret on the Striker . 
Me likey Not linking the Specific page but Militaryphotos.net has beaten arfcom to this News i know Shocking aint it. 
4 pages already 
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Posted: 9/24/2014 10:51:11 AM EDT
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i cant hot link it but here is the turret on the Striker .
Me likey Not linking the Specific page but Militaryphotos.net has beaten arfcom to this News i know Shocking aint it.
4 pages already Don't worry this thread won't even go one page. But a thread about stolen trash cans.......
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Posted: 9/24/2014 10:53:27 AM EDT
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So they went from a 2 man turret to an unmanned turret and it is still practically the same size?
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Posted: 9/24/2014 10:53:49 AM EDT
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I like it. We need a bigger gun in the fight. So it's not meant to climb the mountains of Afghanistan, it is well suited for a battle in an ISIL like conflict.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:02:42 AM EDT
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So they went from a 2 man turret to an unmanned turret and it is still practically the same size? Color me not impressed. No TOW either. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:03:19 AM EDT
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I like it. We need a bigger gun in the fight. So it's not meant to climb the mountains of Afghanistan, it is well suited for a battle in an ISIL like conflict. it can go up to 50 MM per what i have read so far but 30 mm is more pratical already in inventory. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:03:24 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, you want me to put a sign over it saying I'm not a tank?
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:11:47 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, you want me to put a sign over it saying I'm not a tank? It's RHA equivalent is already more than a WWII Tiger tank. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:13:46 AM EDT
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But, but, how is one going to clear feeder malfunctions or clear out the plenum chamber?
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:17:33 AM EDT
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I have nothing nice to say, so...........
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:22:22 AM EDT
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So they went from a 2 man turret to an unmanned turret and it is still practically the same size? Color me not impressed. Its the space cleared in the interior that's important. My guess a tow will be added as its a proven system already. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Its the space cleared in the interior that's important. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So they went from a 2 man turret to an unmanned turret and it is still practically the same size? Color me not impressed. Its the space cleared in the interior that's important. Good point- so what is the Army going to do with that space? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:24:11 AM EDT
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Can we turn the old ones into border defense emplacements?
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:30:02 AM EDT
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But, but, how is one going to clear feeder malfunctions or clear out the plenum chamber? From the crew compartment? Hope you have small hands.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:30:12 AM EDT
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:30:42 AM EDT
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just slap on the badass 40mm uparmored turret from the CV9040c and be done with it
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:31:07 AM EDT
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Good point- so what is the Army going to do with that space? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So they went from a 2 man turret to an unmanned turret and it is still practically the same size? Color me not impressed. Its the space cleared in the interior that's important. Good point- so what is the Army going to do with that space? 9 man squads in the back? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:32:47 AM EDT
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the MK44 shoots a bigger 30mm cartridge (30x173) than your standard 30mm (30x113)
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:32:54 AM EDT
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:33:10 AM EDT
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Franco-Russian Atom has much great 57mm gun:
Supposedly the gun to be used on a variety of Russian 'Armata' vehicles. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:33:42 AM EDT
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Ah yes, our resident military expert shows. You're like clockwork, popping up in EVERY military thread. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:34:28 AM EDT
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Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? They were penning the sides and rear of T-72s in ODS with 25mm... |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:35:11 AM EDT
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Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:35:41 AM EDT
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Do you even DU, bro? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:35:56 AM EDT
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Ah yes, our resident military expert shows. You're like clockwork, popping up in EVERY military thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Ah yes, our resident military expert shows. You're like clockwork, popping up in EVERY military thread. Like much of the membership of this board, military topics interests me. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:36:48 AM EDT
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It's RHA equivalent is already more than a WWII Tiger tank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, you want me to put a sign over it saying I'm not a tank? It's RHA equivalent is already more than a WWII Tiger tank. I was quoting pentagon wars. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:37:27 AM EDT
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:38:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. We request a citation from you showing us your sources which say the 25mm was failing to kill things.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:38:59 AM EDT
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Maybe a 90mm gun?
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I like it. We need a bigger gun in the fight. So it's not meant to climb the mountains of Afghanistan, it is well suited for a battle in an ISIL like conflict. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:39:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:39:36 AM EDT
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Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. The 25mm is going (and has killed) to kill the ever loving fuck out of any ground vehicle short of an MBT. And you aren't supposed to be engaging those with an IFV. And you have the TOW.... I would like to see the gun upgraded, but to a variable-RoF GAU 22 (and more ammo) that could be used against low-flying aerial threats as well as ground targets. Bigger guns mean bigger ammo... which means less ammo. Which is pretty much always bad. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:40:27 AM EDT
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We request a citation from you showing us your sources which say the 25mm was failing to kill things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? Why should they wait for adversaries armor to outclass their weapon systems? Look at what European armored vehicle manufacturers are doing. They are not waiting. We request a citation from you showing us your sources which say the 25mm was failing to kill things. You suffer from poor reading comprehension. I did not claim 25mm was failing to kill things. I said it was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle, especially one that is billed as an "infrantry" fighting vehicle. Larger caliber bores give more flexibility in munition options. Even 30mm may not be enough. Thirty-five to 40mm would be preferable. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:40:38 AM EDT
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I don't have a link and I could be wrong but I think I remember reading that the Bradleys accounted for more Iraq tank kills during the Iraq invasion than the Abrams.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:41:00 AM EDT
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The Norwegian Navy is better then the US Navy too according to him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? I never made that claim. Do read for comprehension. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:42:13 AM EDT
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You suffer from poor reading comprehension. I did not claim 25mm was failing to kill things. I said it was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle, especially one that is billed as an "infrantry" fighting vehicle. Larger caliber bores give more flexibility in munition options. Even 30mm may not be enough. Thirty-five to 40mm would be preferable. Preferable for what? And being able to shoot 87 different kids of ammo doesn't do you much good when you can only carry 60 rounds. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:43:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you even DU, bro? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Do you even DU, bro? isnt the main knock about the 25mm that its too small to have enough HE to be effective against structures and targets inside structures? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:50:33 AM EDT
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The 25mm is plenty for how the IFV is meant to be used. First off, that TOW is meant for defense. These aren't tank hunters, they're a battle field taxi that converts to a awesome, and mobile, support by fire position.
They were designed to poop out grunts from the cover of a hill or building, and then move to bring down hell on the objective while the grunts maneuver. That's why it carries only 70 KE rounds in the ready box. Those are the "oh shit, a bmp" rounds. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:52:56 AM EDT
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Cue BFV design committee video
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:53:18 AM EDT
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Preferable for what? And being able to shoot 87 different kids of ammo doesn't do you much good when you can only carry 60 rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You suffer from poor reading comprehension. I did not claim 25mm was failing to kill things. I said it was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle, especially one that is billed as an "infrantry" fighting vehicle. Larger caliber bores give more flexibility in munition options. Even 30mm may not be enough. Thirty-five to 40mm would be preferable. Preferable for what? And being able to shoot 87 different kids of ammo doesn't do you much good when you can only carry 60 rounds. You should educate yourself on what the Europeans are doing. It is much more innovative than what the U.S. Army is doing. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:55:51 AM EDT
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M919 will kill anything short of a T80/90. Even then volley firing (you know, proper fire distribution and control measures) by a platoon in contact will rain hell upon those.
Forget about the Javeline equipped dismounts it will shit out the back. Fuck the TOW 2B AERO with it's lacking 4200m range. It's a system, the sum of it's parts is what makes it so lethal. In regards to the OP; what happens during misfire procedure? Yes I know, the M242 has absolute hang fire protection; that being said, joe is joe, I can point to countless hours on the range where joe forgets to release tension. Yeah, it will shoot 2 or 3 rounds before all hell breaks loose then the yellow flag goes up, rinse and repeat. I'm just curious as to how malfunctions etc will work. Having a trained proficient crew in the turrent solves most of the problems without me having to get in there. If it's unmanned and the guys in back are not proficient with the gun, it can lead to a bad day. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:55:54 AM EDT
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isnt the main knock about the 25mm that its too small to have enough HE to be effective against structures and targets inside structures? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Do you even DU, bro? isnt the main knock about the 25mm that its too small to have enough HE to be effective against structures and targets inside structures? As a goon with 2 trips to Iraq as a Bradley guy, I can a sure you, there is no gripe about the weapons systems, other than we're not allowed to use them as much as we'd like other than the coax. KE - lightly armored vehicles HE - unarmored vehicles, troops in buildings, buildings, troops in open beyond 900 meters Coax - troops <90 TOW - fortified positions, tanks |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:04:27 PM EDT
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You should educate yourself on what the Europeans are doing. It is much more innovative than what the U.S. Army is doing. Getting the US to bear the brunt of their defense needs? Yeah, that's pretty innovative, I'll give you that. 
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:05:28 PM EDT
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Show one documented incident where the M242 has failed to destroy any target or shut the fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Based on his experience......
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were penning the sides and rear of T-72s in ODS with 25mm... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? They were penning the sides and rear of T-72s in ODS with 25mm...  ...M791 for the fucking win |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Declaring the whole US Army incompetent is quite a statement. What is your example of a competent military force? Russia, dude, they're AWESOME!!! Nick |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a goon with 2 trips to Iraq as a Bradley guy, I can a sure you, there is no gripe about the weapons systems, other than we're not allowed to use them as much as we'd like other than the coax. KE - lightly armored vehicles HE - unarmored vehicles, troops in buildings, buildings, troops in open beyond 900 meters Coax - troops <90 TOW - fortified positions, tanks Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Do you even DU, bro? isnt the main knock about the 25mm that its too small to have enough HE to be effective against structures and targets inside structures? As a goon with 2 trips to Iraq as a Bradley guy, I can a sure you, there is no gripe about the weapons systems, other than we're not allowed to use them as much as we'd like other than the coax. KE - lightly armored vehicles HE - unarmored vehicles, troops in buildings, buildings, troops in open beyond 900 meters Coax - troops <90 TOW - fortified positions, tanks what about against newer IFVs with armor rated to protect from up to 30mm AP rounds? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:09:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a link and I could be wrong but I think I remember reading that the Bradleys accounted for more Iraq tank kills during the Iraq invasion than the Abrams. You take that that shit right out of here!  IFV killing MBT is not enough, man! They have to ULTRAKILL them!!!! Nick |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes we did.. ...M791 for the fucking winQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: About time the incompetent U.S. Army realized a 25mm was not enough for an armored fighting vehicle. Are there a lot of documented cases of Brads not being able to kill things because the gun wasn't big enough? They were penning the sides and rear of T-72s in ODS with 25mm... ...M791 for the fucking winthere were also some instances where 25mm DU rounds penetrated the rear turret and engine compartments of M1A1s |
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