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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:45:48 PM EDT
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I wonder what the pschological aftermath of being dead is.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:51:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what the pschological aftermath of being dead is. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am afraid you will begin to see even more "research" which is anti gun and mixed with psychology .
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:53:21 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet?
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:54:59 PM EDT
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I am afraid you will begin to see even more "research" which is anti gun and mixed with psychology . Yup. Can't have a gun for self defense, because self defense could hurt you psychologically. It's for your own good and all that stuff 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:56:05 PM EDT
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They are correct.
However, being stabbed, shot or crippled or raped can also have profound psychological effects as well. I'll deal with the burden of having killed someone bent on doing me harm any day of the week. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:57:37 PM EDT
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I wonder what the pschological aftermath of being dead is. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:58:31 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet? Yep, checking in......I'll cut the fuckers hart out & eat it afterwards |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:58:33 PM EDT
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Ayoob gives the best post shooting lecture...hands down.
All the possible effects are explained in detail. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:58:35 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet? Not yet but the smug superiority crowd seems well represented. To the OP: I honestly don't know how I'd react. Hope I never find out. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:59:31 PM EDT
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Yep, checking in......I'll cut the fuckers hart out & eat it afterwards Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD tough guys arrived yet? Yep, checking in......I'll cut the fuckers hart out & eat it afterwards Have you shot people in self defense? |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 3:59:44 PM EDT
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A decent person can have a hard time dealing with the fact hat he had to take another life? You don't fucking say?! As others have said, and should be obvious, it sure beats the alternative. That's the funny thing about being in that situation...there's only two choices.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:00:28 PM EDT
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FPNI. I am afraid you will begin to see even more "research" which is anti gun and mixed with psychology . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the pschological aftermath of being dead is. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am afraid you will begin to see even more "research" which is anti gun and mixed with psychology . Umm. Pro-gun people have been saying this shit for a LONG time. Read the book On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. He spent a day with my brothers DPS Academy class talking about how hard it is to take someone's life, and how bad it would fuck them up afterwards. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:00:32 PM EDT
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They are correct. However, being stabbed, shot or crippled or raped can also have profound psychological effects as well. I'll deal with the burden of having killed someone bent on doing me harm any day of the week. Nailed it |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:01:07 PM EDT
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So, if you do ever have to shoot someone, you'll go crazy and they'll have to take your guns away
Sounds like anti gun propaganda to me
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:02:42 PM EDT
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If I was forced to kill someone, I think it would be difficult for me.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:04:04 PM EDT
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voted no. If I didn't look at the gore, I think I'd be alright.
I hope I never have to find out. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:04:24 PM EDT
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If I was forced to kill someone, I think it would be difficult for me. I would be more concerned about the psychological condition of someone that was not affected by it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:05:33 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet? Present 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:06:25 PM EDT
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You have to do what you have to do. If you can avoid a situation killing someone, it's better. If you are faced with a grave threat where someone is intent on mortally hurting you, you have no choice. You end up a dead in a wartime situation or the victim of a crime if you hesitate. If you ask someone the choice between worrying or being dead the answer will be obvious.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:06:34 PM EDT
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I would be more concerned about the psychological condition of someone that was not affected by it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was forced to kill someone, I think it would be difficult for me. I would be more concerned about the psychological condition of someone that was not affected by it. It is chilling. Did you ever hear the audio from the clean kill shot guy that executed the burglars in his house? I know, fuck thieves, but damn. That dude was cold. Makes you wonder what his background was. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:07:33 PM EDT
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I had to shoot my dog, and I cried like a baby. I loved that animal, but I know I did the right thing, and made my peace with it. I don't think I'll have the least bit of trouble shooting someone who deserves it, if it's to save a life. I don't believe I'd have trouble sleeping afterwards, either. I like animals a hell of a lot more than I like people.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:09:12 PM EDT
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No problem. It's easy to kill people that need killing.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:10:08 PM EDT
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How you are set up to deal with it matters most.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:11:12 PM EDT
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:13:10 PM EDT
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If I killed an innocent person then yes I would feel guilty. If someone decides to attempt to kill me and I win the confrontation then no, I would not feel guilty. The dead guy made the decision, not me, so the burden/guilt is on them. Just the way I see it.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Feeling bad about killing someone that was trying to kill you is a modern invention.
Feeling bad about killing when it could have been avoided or killing an innocent would absolutely be normal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Umm. Pro-gun people have been saying this shit for a LONG time. Read the book On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. He spent a day with my brothers DPS Academy class talking about how hard it is to take someone's life, and how bad it would fuck them up afterwards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the pschological aftermath of being dead is. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am afraid you will begin to see even more "research" which is anti gun and mixed with psychology . Umm. Pro-gun people have been saying this shit for a LONG time. Read the book On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. He spent a day with my brothers DPS Academy class talking about how hard it is to take someone's life, and how bad it would fuck them up afterwards. Grossman was antigun in the past and he's also for censorship in media. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:15:36 PM EDT
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Ayoob gives the best post shooting lecture...hands down. All the possible effects are explained in detail. Agreed. The self defense legal class he gives is excellent. So.much information. I came away with 40 typed pages of notes from the class. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:16:05 PM EDT
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:16:44 PM EDT
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Maybe they shouldn't coddle criminals, then people wouldn't be put in the position of shooting them.
Fwiw, I would not want to have to kill anyone either and go out of my way to avoid trouble. But then you see things like the Memphis mob riots (oh, you mean you haven't heard?) and what's a person suppossed to do. Good on anyone who kills somebody before they have a chance to harm me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:17:26 PM EDT
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I might have problems with all the legal trauma afterwards, but I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over defending my own life.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:18:01 PM EDT
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. more people are victims than fighters |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:18:07 PM EDT
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No problem. It's easy to kill people that need killing. Everyone I know who's done it says the same. If you believed you had to, or they needed/deserved it, you don't have an issue. (might still be tough for someone lacking the proper mindset or constitution). I believe if you were forced to kill what amounts to an innocent person (human shield or similar) it could really mess with you. It would me, no matter how many times I told myself that I didn't have any other option. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:18:15 PM EDT
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I'd be too grateful to have survived the encounter.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:18:24 PM EDT
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Nope, wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
If I was put in a situation where the outcome had to be me defending me or my family then I would have no problem with it. I would honestly probably feel worse for the persons family then the person themselves. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:18:39 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet? 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:19:01 PM EDT
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How you are set up to deal with it matters most. exactly, this is why quality training is important, know what the signs are so you can recognize them early on and realise that they are likely very short term.. LE and MIL have a built in 'support network' that will hopefully avert these things before they get started. But everyone is wired different... |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:19:58 PM EDT
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There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:20:37 PM EDT
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If I killed an innocent person then yes I would feel guilty. If someone decides to attempt to kill me and I win the confrontation then no, I would not feel guilty. The dead guy made the decision, not me, so the burden/guilt is on them. Just the way I see it. how does this explain combat troops? these guys are not having nightmares about the pussy they missed out on stateside. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:20:38 PM EDT
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There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. I believe the blank thing is urban legend. Anyone who's fired a rifle knows the difference between a blank and live round. For humans to have an ingrained reflex not to kill, we sure do one hell of a lot of it, all throughout history. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:20:41 PM EDT
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GD tough guys arrived yet? What emotion would win out? -Oh I took a life. -Oh I will still be in my child/children's lives. Ask any combat vet--it's a lot easier to kill in a me or them situation. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:21:08 PM EDT
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I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. So they loaded 10 more times? |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:22:18 PM EDT
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I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. I agree. More likely failing at their manual of arms under stress and in the era of black powder with noise smoke and confusion probably didn't realize they didn't fire. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:22:31 PM EDT
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I had to shoot my dog, and I cried like a baby. I loved that animal, but I know I did the right thing, and made my peace with it. I don't think I'll have the least bit of trouble shooting someone who deserves it, if it's to save a life. I don't believe I'd have trouble sleeping afterwards, either. I like animals a hell of a lot more than I like people. I still feel guilt over not putting my Boykin Spaniel down sooner- there was some question as to what he had. Someone breaking into my home or assaulting me on the street? Meh. Their choice, their problem. At least that's my take, could be wrong. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:23:43 PM EDT
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I used to think that I wouldn't have an issue with it. Then I read some threads by members here who have used deadly force and it made me rethink my feelings on the subject. Don't get me wrong I will if I need to but I think it would affect me later
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:23:50 PM EDT
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So they loaded 10 more times? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It must not be that important since our ingrained reflex to fight and survive overrides it. There is an ingrained reflex to not kill other humans. They have found muskets loaded to the muzzle from soldiers In the civil war that could not bring themselves to shoot someone else. That's why there is always a guy with a blank in a firing squad. That way everyone can tell themselves they had the blank, or they pulled the dummy switch during any other execution. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm sure some were from guys forgetting to prime them. So they loaded 10 more times? If they thought they primed and fired it but didn't, ya. I'm not saying all, but I'm sure it happened. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:24:01 PM EDT
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I believe if you were forced to kill what amounts to an innocent person (human shield or similar) it could really mess with you. It would me, no matter how many times I told myself that I didn't have any other option. It depends. There are lots of cultural considerations that go into it. If in the course of saving my own life, or that of a loved one, I accidentally killed a cute, blonde, pig-tailed 7 year old, that would mess with me. But accidentally killing innocent foreigners in foreign lands, who don't look like me, isn't that big a deal. Go figure. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:24:33 PM EDT
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Well, the internet tough guys are here.
PTSD, what is it? 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:25:02 PM EDT
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I think I would react more to having to clean up the mess. I'm a huge blood and gore pansy.
Death doesn't affect me at all, it's natural and inevitable, and I'm often accused of being a heartless, cold robot man. I'm not, I just don't see any purpose in crying over it, it can't be undone. If I shot at my attacker, and killed an innocent bystander, particularly a kid - even if absolved I don;t think I'd handle that very well. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:27:59 PM EDT
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exactly, this is why quality training is important, know what the signs are so you can recognize them early on and realise that they are likely very short term.. LE and MIL have a built in 'support network' that will hopefully avert these things before they get started. But everyone is wired different... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How you are set up to deal with it matters most. exactly, this is why quality training is important, know what the signs are so you can recognize them early on and realise that they are likely very short term.. LE and MIL have a built in 'support network' that will hopefully avert these things before they get started. But everyone is wired different... You're right, I've been there. Be ready to have everybody around you point and say, that's the guy, he shot so and so, no matter whether it was right or not, you are never the same in their opinion again. The only one who was there , still surviving, in my case , is me , and I know the truth and I live with it |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 4:28:22 PM EDT
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"Otherwise law abiding"
?????? Self defense IS law abiding
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