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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:04:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Nice pics bro.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:05:24 PM EDT
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Breaking new ground with this post OP.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:05:40 PM EDT
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Second one looks good...
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:09:06 PM EDT
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Looks just like the stuff I wore in the ghan.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:09:10 PM EDT
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So the Army spent millions on 4 separate camouflage tests. In each test the winners and the research were discarded. Each time wasting money and lives. The UCP ACU wasn't even part of the testing (FYI). It used a Urban Tract pattern minus the black and thrown into the Canadian Pattern that the Marines adopted. Then, when they finally have a real competition involving private industry, they narrow it down to 4 finalist, each with a family of patterns (Kryptek, Hyperstealth, Crye and Brookwood), each better than anything else on the market or with our sister services (MARPAT, AOR, ect.); Congress gets involved and shuts down the selection declaring that we can only use what we have or go to a single joint uniform, because they are just now worried about wasted money!?! So what's the answer? The Army asks to buy the rights to Multicam from Crye, which is their bread and butter. Crye says 24 million for a tested and fielded family of camouflage. The Army doesn't even give them a counter offer and brings out the Scorpion pattern that Crye designed almost 10 years ago. Oh an by the way, it didn't test as well as Multicam or any of the other 3 for that matter. Supposedly they are going to "tweek" the camo (Scorpion) and avoid the new legislation saying that we can't get a new system. We will fill the bookend requirements for woodland and desert by bringing back the old Woodland (BDU) and desert (DCU) camouflage or adopting MARPAT. This is going to be another wreck, just like the UCP/ ACU. On behalf of our troopers in harms way, please contact your congressman via usa.gov and let them know they should do better... I know that camouflage is just a drop in the bucket for everything that they are dropping the ball on... but at least add it to the list and send out an E-mail. Your vote counts, let them know it. Thanks For those of us that are forced to wear UCP, we'll take anything. And Scorpion is far more effective that what we currently have, the Army owns it, and it can be fielded fairly rapidly. If the Pres can sidestep congress, why can't the guys with all the guns do it to get something that will save lives? |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:12:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:27:00 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that the scorpion we see online is not the version 2 that we will get stuck with.
If you remember the last time that they "Army" made the call, we got UCP. I'm sure it will be better.... but why be OK with better. Horse crap might be better than duck crap... but I don't want to eat it. They started with CADPAT, one of the best camouflage patterns in the world and turned it into UCP, the worst camo... ever. We need to start sending these guys some E-mails. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:30:20 PM EDT
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I think we should wear the camo of the revolutionary war. You know, the shit they wore everyday.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:32:16 PM EDT
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How do I paste pictures in here? Enter the URL option isn't working out for me... obviously.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:37:47 PM EDT
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Crye should have asked for $24 million in tax credits rather than a cash payment which the Army didn't have in the budget.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do I paste pictures in here? Enter the URL option isn't working out for me... obviously. The old fashioned way would be to use the "[IMG]" html tag. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:43:30 PM EDT
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I keep emailing them and telling them to make Woodland universal for all branches, but it ain't happened yet.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:43:41 PM EDT
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I wish they would do something that makes sense.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:47:19 PM EDT
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And all the cool guys are wearing woodland,which means if everybody else gets to wear it they'll go back to plain green like the Rangers in the 80s
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:48:43 PM EDT
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So when we supposed to get scorpion? Cause I really hate this clown suit.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:05:19 PM EDT
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The joke I made at work was "Ok so in true army style they will break it just enough to not infringe copy rights so they don't have to pay royalties. Up side we get a new camo pattern when the army supposedly cant afford to do anything right now but it will be also broken enough to where it's still garbage" How about you guys stop messing with stuff and figure out how to find enough money to keep the force operating the way it's supposed to.
I know UCP sucks but this is a case where the family is going bankrupt but we need to upgrade the family boat because the old one isn't "good enough". Whats the problem with continuing to issue Multicam for expiditionary operations and keep the UCP around until the budgets and cut backs get sorted out in a few years? It wouldnt be the first time we had multipul camo patterns for multipul missions. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:07:01 PM EDT
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I emailed my congressman and told them to go with OD green and call it good
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:11:36 PM EDT
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ATACS and ATACS FG.
Designed by a veteran and the best camo pattern ever IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:12:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: On behalf of our troopers in harms way, please contact your congressman via usa.gov and let them know they should do better... |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:14:05 PM EDT
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I emailed my congressman and told them to go with OD green and call it good Seems to work alright for the Israelis. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:15:11 PM EDT
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It's gotta be good -------------------------------------------- It's Mil-spec... |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do I paste pictures in here? Enter the URL option isn't working out for me... obviously. Its that thing that looks like a picture.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:17:53 PM EDT
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ATACS and ATACS FG. Designed by a veteran and the best camo pattern ever IMHO. Lol |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:20:54 PM EDT
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATACS and ATACS FG. Designed by a veteran and the best camo pattern ever IMHO. I think the pencott greenzone and badlands camo look pretty good too. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:28:14 PM EDT
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I recently went to an exercise attended by 9 different countries. This shit we're wearing makes us look completely ridiculous. We need to ditch UCP ASAP.
Foreign Guy: Hey, are you guys going to need face paint for operation tomorrow? <Foreign Guy looks soldier next to him up and down> Foreign Guy: Hmmmm. I guess it doesn't really matter if you're wearing that. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:32:53 PM EDT
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Nice pics bro. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:33:29 PM EDT
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You know that the troops in AFG are wearing Muilitcam right, and UCP is for Garrison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On behalf of our troopers in harms way, please contact your congressman via usa.gov and let them know they should do better... Why would there be a garrison camo???? Fucking ever? |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:33:29 PM EDT
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:37:23 PM EDT
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. The Marines aren't the ones trying justify a new pattern every time we turn around.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. SECDEF should gave squashed that. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:41:26 PM EDT
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The Marines aren't the ones trying justify a new pattern every time we turn around.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. The Marines aren't the ones trying justify a new pattern every time we turn around.Yep...The Marines didn't care what pattern they used as long as it had something about the marines in the name. It could've been a Santa suit and as long as it said "MarSanta Pattern" they'd have all claimed that it wa the best pattern ever. Especially in desert environments. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:43:22 PM EDT
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Looks like the time I ate shrimp tacos, got drunk, got food poisoning, and managed to shit and puke all over myself.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:44:46 PM EDT
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When I read MARPAT, my mind said KMART.
Yikes.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:47:20 PM EDT
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The Marines spent taxpayer money to make a camouflage that was only for their own use out of vanity. what's more important, Marines feeling like special snowflakes or a soldier avoiding being raked by Taliban machinegun fire because he has shitty acu camo instead of Marpat? Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. Blaming the Marines for big Army fucking it up every single time is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:48:12 PM EDT
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So the Army spent millions on 4 separate camouflage tests. In each test the winners and the research were discarded. Each time wasting money and lives. The UCP ACU wasn't even part of the testing (FYI). It used a Urban Tract pattern minus the black and thrown into the Canadian Pattern that the Marines adopted. Then, when they finally have a real competition involving private industry, they narrow it down to 4 finalist, each with a family of patterns (Kryptek, Hyperstealth, Crye and Brookwood), each better than anything else on the market or with our sister services (MARPAT, AOR, ect.); Congress gets involved and shuts down the selection declaring that we can only use what we have or go to a single joint uniform, because they are just now worried about wasted money!?! So what's the answer? The Army asks to buy the rights to Multicam from Crye, which is their bread and butter. Crye says 24 million for a tested and fielded family of camouflage. The Army doesn't even give them a counter offer and brings out the Scorpion pattern that Crye designed almost 10 years ago. Oh an by the way, it didn't test as well as Multicam or any of the other 3 for that matter. Supposedly they are going to "tweek" the camo (Scorpion) and avoid the new legislation saying that we can't get a new system. We will fill the bookend requirements for woodland and desert by bringing back the old Woodland (BDU) and desert (DCU) camouflage or adopting MARPAT. This is going to be another wreck, just like the UCP/ ACU. On behalf of our troopers in harms way, please contact your congressman via usa.gov and let them know they should do better... I know that camouflage is just a drop in the bucket for everything that they are dropping the ball on... but at least add it to the list and send out an E-mail. Your vote counts, let them know it. Thanks 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:48:50 PM EDT
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. You did it now. 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marines spent taxpayer money to make a camouflage that was only for their own use out of vanity. what's more important, Marines feeling like special snowflakes or a soldier avoiding being raked by Taliban machinegun fire because he has shitty acu camo instead of Marpat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. Yes, it was the USMC that got the ball rolling on all of the service specific camo's. I got that. However, with that said, there's no excuse for this stuff to have turned into the fustercluck that it has been for the Army. Again, to me, Multicam---or a camo that's very similar to Multicam---seems to be the correct answer for the Army. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:52:26 PM EDT
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Honestly Crye is being a bit of a fucking asshole, I heard they wouldn't budge from a "certain" number, and the reason why it wasn't countered is because of that. The best uniform should go to our troops, it's not like Crye would be hurting after the deal.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. I wouldn't blame the Marines. They, apparently, made the right choice the first time. It's the Army who can't seem to be able to get its act together on this. I'm neither a congressmen nor a member of the military but, to me, the solution appears to be a simple one. The Army needs to issue two types of camo---regular multicam for desert deployments and multicam tropic for wooded/jungle ones. Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. Yes, it was the USMC that got the ball rolling on all of the service specific camo's. I got that. However, with that said, there's no excuse for this stuff to have turned into the fustercluck that it has been for the Army. Again, to me, Multicam---or a camo that's very similar to Multicam---seems to be the correct answer for the Army. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly Crye is being a bit of a fucking asshole, I heard they wouldn't budge from a "certain" number, and the reason why it wasn't countered is because of that. The best uniform should go to our troops, it's not like Crye would be hurting after the deal. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:02:42 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that the "new camouflage" was meant to be one of three patterns. It would be a common pattern that would work ok in all environments; better than UCP anyway. Then, there would have been two "bookend" patterns; one more greenish, and one more tan.
So, now, what patterns are they considering? Link to Soldier Systems |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:10:42 PM EDT
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The Marines spent taxpayer money to make a camouflage that was only for their own use out of vanity. what's more important, Marines feeling like special snowflakes or a soldier avoiding being raked by Taliban machinegun fire because he has shitty acu camo instead of Marpat? Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. The Marine Corps has had to deal with an endless supply of hand-me-down used out-of-date horseshit from the Army forever. The one time the USMC decides they are gonna actually whip out a little cash to get something new that isn't an Osprey, I'm not gonna fault em for it. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:19:01 PM EDT
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What a waste of taxpayers' money. Congress should never have let the Marines have their own camo. Why? The quantities purchased exceed any price advantage obtained by economies of scale. This business of all the branches being the same only promotes group think. The Marines are the ones who are squared away. I have lost count of how many different camo styles and uniforms the Army has gone through sense the the Marines adopted MARPAT. BTW: it is not vanity as you assert. The Marines want the enemy to know who is coming to kill them. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all for free enterprise but I kind of agree that crye are being shitheads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly Crye is being a bit of a fucking asshole, I heard they wouldn't budge from a "certain" number, and the reason why it wasn't countered is because of that. The best uniform should go to our troops, it's not like Crye would be hurting after the deal. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:20:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marine Corps has had to deal with an endless supply of hand-me-down used out-of-date horseshit from the Army forever. The one time the USMC decides they are gonna actually whip out a little cash to get something new that isn't an Osprey, I'm not gonna fault em for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Marines spent taxpayer money to make a camouflage that was only for their own use out of vanity. what's more important, Marines feeling like special snowflakes or a soldier avoiding being raked by Taliban machinegun fire because he has shitty acu camo instead of Marpat? Marpat got the ball rolling on all this service specific camo. Whoever was involved in that acu crap and that ridiculous blue navy bullshit should be court martialed. The Marine Corps has had to deal with an endless supply of hand-me-down used out-of-date horseshit from the Army forever. The one time the USMC decides they are gonna actually whip out a little cash to get something new that isn't an Osprey, I'm not gonna fault em for it. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:21:55 PM EDT
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Instead of another go round of expensive camo nonsense, it'd be cheaper to give every Marine rifleman ( or whatever the correct term is) a card that says "Times are tough in the United States, we, the American taxpayer, apologize for swiping multicam, thank you for you sacrifice, enclosed is a certificate good for either 1 a colt 1911, 2 $ 2000 off the purchase of a F150 special USMC edition truck that will only be available with this coupon, or 3 a weekend with a hooker in Rio." You are a such a dick for making my decision that hard. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crye would be relinquishing all rights to the camo pattern. $24million is peanuts compared to almost $4billion to give EBT, medicaid and pre-hearing chaparones to illegals invading this country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly Crye is being a bit of a fucking asshole, I heard they wouldn't budge from a "certain" number, and the reason why it wasn't countered is because of that. The best uniform should go to our troops, it's not like Crye would be hurting after the deal. |
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