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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:45:58 AM EDT
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Uhh no....
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:47:12 AM EDT
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Have you seen penetration figures on 00 Buck? |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:47:14 AM EDT
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:47:18 AM EDT
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In before the chart.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:49:32 AM EDT
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Aggressive threats are the key...
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:49:41 AM EDT
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AR miss=1
Buckshot miss=9 By your own logic AR>shotgun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:51:10 AM EDT
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:51:35 AM EDT
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Uhh no.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:53:28 AM EDT
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Everyone knows you don't need to shoot a shotgun, just rack the action.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:53:34 AM EDT
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Terminal ballistics homework, you need to do it.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:54:03 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Nonsense. Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls Quit posting BS if you don't know the subject matter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:54:15 AM EDT
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Stick to a topic you know more about like shows for little girls.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:54:27 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. lol Holy derp. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:55:42 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Physics, how the fuck do they work? ETA: O_P got here before me. 
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:56:04 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Everything you posted in this thread so far is fractal incorrectness. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:56:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Nonsense. Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls Quit posting BS if you don't know the subject matter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:56:44 AM EDT
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I've yet to say this but:
13er like a muther. Damn dude
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:57:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:57:19 AM EDT
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Everything you posted in this thread so far is fractal incorrectness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Everything you posted in this thread so far is fractal incorrectness. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Everyone knows you don't need to shoot a shotgun, just rack the action. nope I has a Biden autographed edition double barrel I just light 2 off in the air and the trouble is gone |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:57:49 AM EDT
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So that when you "accidentally" pull the trigger on a shotgun with 00 buck, you have now launched eight 9mm projectiles instead of one?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:59:06 AM EDT
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What, are we getting rid of GD? Quote HistoryQuoted:
No, but maybe a sticky would help. 
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:59:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:59:50 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Nothing in life is certain. A lucky hit with any projectile can kill. One can most certainly miss with a shotgun even at close range. People have an odd habit of moving when you try to shoot them. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:00:21 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. I don't live in a huge mansion, but yes, in the heat of a bad social incident, I see where it is possible to miss with a shotgun. If I miss with an AR, the bullet will de-stabilize. Yes, it will penetrate the sheet rock inside, the insulation, and the vinyl outside the house. But, it has lost most of its aerodynamic prowess, may well have lost quite a bit of mass. It might still hurt some one standing in the yard, but is not going to travel much farther than that. Now, 00 buck, will also blow through the walls of my house. It will still be aerodynamically stable, and will still travel about as well as any lopsided sphere can. In my neighborhood, no problem, the neighbors are well over 300 yards away, though there is a day time business 120 yards away. Shotguns work for home defense, let me say that. They work quite well. However, AR15 type rifles, and other 5.56mm type arms just simply work better. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:00:41 AM EDT
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Between this and the SD ammo thread in the Handgun tech forum, it's been pretty derp-tastic around here lately...
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:02:28 AM EDT
[#27]
Much fail, so post.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:03:01 AM EDT
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Personally, my longest kill on a living target with a shotgun was in the neighborhood of 90 yards (bugs bunny with #6 shot) so I'm going to say that shotguns are also dangerous potentially lethal at any range up to 150 YARDS which would have covered this situation.
Lesson from the article. Keep your fuking bugger picker off the trigger and keep the weapon always pointed in a safe direction. ETA for clarity of lethality. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:03:22 AM EDT
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Mr. BigPony, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. 5.56 is an even better choice by your standards. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:05:02 AM EDT
[#31]
Come on, we have one of these threads about every two weeks. How did you miss them?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:05:28 AM EDT
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Shotguns are for shooting bean bags and less than lethal rounds at protesting hippies.
They're also good for blowing off doorknobs and dead bolts. But for defense purposes, a big huge pump action shotgun that holds 5 or 6 rounds makes as much sense as carrying a fukkin' single action cowboy revolver. Yeah, they'll fuck someone up, but get real... It's 2014, we have semi-automatic bullet launchers that hold like 30 rounds. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:06:11 AM EDT
[#33]
lulz
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:06:19 AM EDT
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I don't live in a huge mansion, but yes, in the heat of a bad social incident, I see where it is possible to miss with a shotgun. If I miss with an AR, the bullet will de-stabilize. Yes, it will penetrate the sheet rock inside, the insulation, and the vinyl outside the house. But, it has lost most of its aerodynamic prowess, may well have lost quite a bit of mass. It might still hurt some one standing in the yard, but is not going to travel much farther than that. Now, 00 buck, will also blow through the walls of my house. It will still be aerodynamically stable, and will still travel about as well as any lopsided sphere can. In my neighborhood, no problem, the neighbors are well over 300 yards away, though there is a day time business 120 yards away. Shotguns work for home defense, let me say that. They work quite well. However, AR15 type rifles, and other 5.56mm type arms just simply work better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. I don't live in a huge mansion, but yes, in the heat of a bad social incident, I see where it is possible to miss with a shotgun. If I miss with an AR, the bullet will de-stabilize. Yes, it will penetrate the sheet rock inside, the insulation, and the vinyl outside the house. But, it has lost most of its aerodynamic prowess, may well have lost quite a bit of mass. It might still hurt some one standing in the yard, but is not going to travel much farther than that. Now, 00 buck, will also blow through the walls of my house. It will still be aerodynamically stable, and will still travel about as well as any lopsided sphere can. In my neighborhood, no problem, the neighbors are well over 300 yards away, though there is a day time business 120 yards away. Shotguns work for home defense, let me say that. They work quite well. However, AR15 type rifles, and other 5.56mm type arms just simply work better. This may be the most insane thing I've ever read on these forums. It scares me if you actually believe this. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:06:49 AM EDT
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... whatthefuck.gif
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:07:02 AM EDT
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OP is highly misinformed and pulling information out of his posterior.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:07:28 AM EDT
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Remember, you are responsible for every round that comes from every pull of your trigger. Even in a life or death scenario. A shotgun with 00 Buck will not blow through into your neighbors house or someone outside your house. Stray Bullet Kills Florida Man From 200 Feet Away... Do you know how I know you're gay? |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:07:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:08:03 AM EDT
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Should change your SIG line to "13er weak".
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:08:03 AM EDT
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HA....Painless is wearin out that report here lately!..........
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:08:08 AM EDT
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not this shit again
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:09:08 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. You really need to get some real life training. You're sounding dumb right about now.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:10:13 AM EDT
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This may be the most insane thing I've ever read on these forums. It scares me if you actually believe this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. I don't live in a huge mansion, but yes, in the heat of a bad social incident, I see where it is possible to miss with a shotgun. If I miss with an AR, the bullet will de-stabilize. Yes, it will penetrate the sheet rock inside, the insulation, and the vinyl outside the house. But, it has lost most of its aerodynamic prowess, may well have lost quite a bit of mass. It might still hurt some one standing in the yard, but is not going to travel much farther than that. Now, 00 buck, will also blow through the walls of my house. It will still be aerodynamically stable, and will still travel about as well as any lopsided sphere can. In my neighborhood, no problem, the neighbors are well over 300 yards away, though there is a day time business 120 yards away. Shotguns work for home defense, let me say that. They work quite well. However, AR15 type rifles, and other 5.56mm type arms just simply work better. This may be the most insane thing I've ever read on these forums. It scares me if you actually believe this. Are you referring to me? Everything I said is quite sane and easily demonstrated. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:10:16 AM EDT
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Can't we set aside a day of the week for the " stupid shotgun post ", O_P can't be here all the time.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:10:17 AM EDT
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Nonsense. Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls Quit posting BS if you don't know the subject matter. The Boxotruth should be required training with pop quizzes and all before you allowed to post on here. I swear, this is getting to be worse than beans vs no beans, Glock vs 1911, or 9mm vs 45. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:11:35 AM EDT
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Take 12 inches of sheetrock and 12 inches of mammal*, and place them side-by-side.
*observe all local laws while doing so Shoot them both. It will become readily apparent that anything which will go through a foot of animal will go through the same amount of light building material rather more easily, especially since most walls are on the order of 3/8' thick. Contrary to My Little Pony, there's no magic in physics so any projectile capable of stopping an assailant will zip right through modern US house construction unless it hits a stud, water heater, conduit shielding, etc in which case it's a moot point. |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:12:25 AM EDT
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Shotguns are for shooting bean bags and less than lethal rounds at protesting hippies. They're also good for blowing off doorknobs and dead bolts. But for defense purposes, a big huge pump action shotgun that holds 5 or 6 rounds makes as much sense as carrying a fukkin' single action cowboy revolver. Yeah, they'll fuck someone up, but get real... It's 2014, we have semi-automatic bullet launchers that hold like 30 rounds. But you can rack it |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:13:00 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If buckshot won't travel through a window, like this 9mm did, how will it travel through a bad guy? It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Come on, have you ever even attempted to pattern a shotgun? Take some of that 00 buck shot, and go shoot it at something that is 15 or 20 feet away. The spread will not be more than a few inches. If you can miss with a rifle, you can miss with a shotgun.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:13:39 AM EDT
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Uhh no.... QFT |
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:14:48 AM EDT
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It would go through a window on your house but will be slowed enough that "if" they penetrated your neighbors house they certainly would not cause a kill shot. Also a miss with a shotgun inside your house on a bud guy is pretty much not possibru unless you are living in some sort of huge mansion. Damn dude, have you ever shot a gun?
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