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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:37:10 PM EDT
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OMG! A photographer took a photo of an injured person who later died! That's never happened before! String him up!
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:37:44 PM EDT
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:40:02 PM EDT
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. Most "journalists" are. I'm just not seeing what the fuss is about, I guess. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:40:28 PM EDT
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You would be hard pressed to find someone in fire/EMS/LE who hasn't snapped a pic of a horrific scene, the storm chaser fucked up when he posted the photo though.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG! A photographer took a photo of an injured person who later died! That's never happened before! String him up! What if it ws your grand daughter, Grandfather...
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:40:39 PM EDT
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OMG! A photographer took a photo of an injured person who later died! That's never happened before! String him up! Taking the pics are one thing. Posting them is entirely different. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:40:50 PM EDT
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OMG! A photographer took a photo of an injured person who later died! That's never happened before! String him up! FPNI. Some of the most "celebrated" photos I can think of are of the dead or dying, even children. My mind quickly goes back to the OKC bombing and a particular image of a child. While I might personally not seek these photos out, I don't think taking a picture would be immoral. ETA I hadn't heard of this situation before the thread and was phone typing my reply when you responded with the OKC image he is using. I would say it is exactly that from what you described. Facebook might not be the best place for it... But taking the picture isn't wrong. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:41:32 PM EDT
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I saw it. Its not like he could have put the camera down and help since she was already being tended to by medics.
If the girl had lived the picture would be praised as being a powerful expression of humanity or some such thing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be hard pressed to find someone in fire/EMS/LE who hasn't snapped a pic of a horrific scene, the storm chaser fucked up when he posted the photo though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:42:08 PM EDT
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I saw the picture. As terrible as what happened to her is, I don't think it was wrong to photograph her.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:42:35 PM EDT
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:42:39 PM EDT
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. Most people are, few will admit it. The problem with him defending himself by comparing himself to actual journalists, is that firemen already consider most journalists to be scumbags. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:42:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Jonas, son of a bitch.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw it. Its not like he could have put the camera down and help since she was already being tended to by medics. If the girl had lived the picture would be praised as being a powerful expression of humanity or some such thing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:43:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Haven't seen the photo, but I don't see how censoring a photo accomplishes anything.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:44:28 PM EDT
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I saw the picture. As terrible as what happened to her is, I don't think it was wrong to photograph her. Yup. That's pretty much where I'm at too. Granted, I'd probably not even take the picture myself, but yeah... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:44:47 PM EDT
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Where would you rank Twister in the hierarchy of Bill Paxton movies?
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. Have we communicated before? We may all know exactly who we are talking about.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:46:24 PM EDT
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You would be hard pressed to find someone in fire/EMS/LE who hasn't snapped a pic of a horrific scene, the storm chaser fucked up when he posted the photo though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Full time fire/EMS for 5 years, volunteer for another 5 here. I have no desire to, and never did. Sure as hell wouldn't post photos of an identifiable victim online. That said, I don't see what he did as all that bad. Journalists take photos like this all the time, and I don't believe it would have bothered me had it been my patient. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:46:30 PM EDT
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The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. It's a powerful photo, IMO. It's very sad that she passed. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where would you rank Twister in the hierarchy of Bill Paxton movies? Lol Well, I liked weird science better!
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:47:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a powerful photo, IMO. It's very sad that she passed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. It's a powerful photo, IMO. It's very sad that she passed.  |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:48:02 PM EDT
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Seems to be the lead photo now being used by NYDailyNews on their coverage.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:48:11 PM EDT
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I can definitely see where you're coming from. It comes off as tactless and uncaring, especially to be releasing the images of a dying little girl, presumably without consulting her family.
On the other hand, as others have mentioned, that's become part of journalism. Many poignant images have involved the dead and dying, including children. I worked as an EMT for a while, and there were occasions where I took pictures of accidents and such, but never of patients. Personally, I think that's a time where people deserve what privacy they can retain. Perhaps this photo will at least remind people that weather -- tornadoes in particular -- are serious business, not something to just stand around and watch. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:48:39 PM EDT
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Full time fire/EMS for 5 years, volunteer for another 5 here. I have no desire to, and never did. Sure as hell wouldn't post photos of an identifiable victim online. That said, I don't see what he did as all that bad. Journalists take photos like this all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You would be hard pressed to find someone in fire/EMS/LE who hasn't snapped a pic of a horrific scene, the storm chaser fucked up when he posted the photo though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Full time fire/EMS for 5 years, volunteer for another 5 here. I have no desire to, and never did. Sure as hell wouldn't post photos of an identifiable victim online. That said, I don't see what he did as all that bad. Journalists take photos like this all the time. I wear a helmet cam, and the first thing I do is cut out anything that shows a victim and delete it. The only video I've posted online is of 2 small magnesium explosions in my face. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:49:22 PM EDT
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There are VERY iconic photos of children dying. Think the starving kid with the buzzard in the background.
In this instance, if she hadn't died, would this topic have been posted in the same light? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:50:35 PM EDT
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He is probably getting shit because people know he's a douche and he did something that gives them a window to be morally outraged at him. However, the picture is no different than what we see from the news in other disasters/bombings/war zones.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can definitely see where you're coming from. It comes off as tactless and uncaring, especially to be releasing the images of a dying little girl, presumably without consulting her family. On the other hand, as others have mentioned, that's become part of journalism. Many poignant images have involved the dead and dying, including children. I worked as an EMT for a while, and there were occasions where I took pictures of accidents and such, but never of patients. Personally, I think that's a time where people deserve what privacy they can retain. Perhaps this photo will at least remind people that weather -- tornadoes in particular -- are serious business, not something to just stand around and watch. The infighting has begun and lines are being drawn. This single image will make enemies in an already drama filled community. It's worse than GD or a fucking sorority house.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:51:09 PM EDT
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I think one thing to bear in mind is that until relatively recently photos like that were reviewed by editors before being published.
A victim of war or act of terrorism? Sure, a dramatic photo of a victim, even a child, could be seen as newsworthy. I fail to see the value of publishing pictures of a fatally injured child tornado victim. Does this same guy publish pictures of children who drown in swimming pools or die in car wrecks? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:52:28 PM EDT
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You would be hard pressed to find someone in fire/EMS/LE who hasn't snapped a pic of a horrific scene, the storm chaser fucked up when he posted the photo though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Every LEO/EMS member I know has a couple pictures they keep as examples. Usually of drunk driving, drug abuse, and not using a seatbelt/car seat. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:54:06 PM EDT
[#31]
As a former TV photojournalist - fancy name for a camera operator - if I was first on an accident scene, I would put my camera down (well, maybe first hit the RECORD button) and render whatever aid I could. It never came to that, thankfully.
If the emergency crews were already there, I'd keep a safe distance and start rolling. It was my job to record the events, whether people died or not. I wouldn't put images of a dying child on TV, but that wasn't my call. The news director always had final say as to what was aired. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:54:14 PM EDT
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I think a point here I have also been thinking deeply about is the fact that some may think of him as a scumbag, but what about the news papers etc... That are buying it and posting it. What does that say about their ethics and morals. The infighting has begun and lines are being drawn. This single image will make enemies in an already drama filled community. It's worse than GD or a fucking sorority house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can definitely see where you're coming from. It comes off as tactless and uncaring, especially to be releasing the images of a dying little girl, presumably without consulting her family. On the other hand, as others have mentioned, that's become part of journalism. Many poignant images have involved the dead and dying, including children. I worked as an EMT for a while, and there were occasions where I took pictures of accidents and such, but never of patients. Personally, I think that's a time where people deserve what privacy they can retain. Perhaps this photo will at least remind people that weather -- tornadoes in particular -- are serious business, not something to just stand around and watch. The infighting has begun and lines are being drawn. This single image will make enemies in an already drama filled community. It's worse than GD or a fucking sorority house. It's a subject on which I wouldn't fault anyone's opinion. People have reasons for thinking it's despicable, and people have reasons for thinking it's an important image to capture. Having bits of journalism and EMS in my background, I can clearly see validity in both arguments. But yes, from the interaction I've had with the storm chasing community, I can imagine it's a little tense
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:54:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think one thing to bear in mind is that until relatively recently photos like that were reviewed by editors before being published. A victim of war or act of terrorism? Sure, a dramatic photo of a victim, even a child, could be seen as newsworthy. I fail to see the value of publishing pictures of a fatally injured child tornado victim. Does this same guy publish pictures of children who drown in swimming pools or die in car wrecks? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:59:48 PM EDT
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Some people have no class and decency. If 3/4 of the "lookie loo" crews that call themselves storm chasers wouldn't show up in the aftermath things would be a lot better, especially those looking to make a buck rather than help. Nothing is more infuriating then needing help and not one of the idiots who come to a disaster scene with their kids refuse to lend a hand. It's absolutely maddening.
The legit professional storm chasers and those showing up to help are excluded obviously. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people have no class and decency. If 3/4 of the "lookie loo" crews that call themselves storm chasers wouldn't show up in the aftermath things would be a lot better, especially those looking to make a buck rather than help. Nothing is more infuriating then needing help and not one of the idiots who come to a disaster scene with their kids refuse to lend a hand. It's absolutely maddening. The legit professional storm chasers and those showing up to help are excluded obviously. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:05:07 PM EDT
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To me it boils down to one thing,
Could the photographer have helped save their "subjects" life if they had acted instead of stood on the sideline to take an image? (This also takes into consideration if it would be appropriate to help, like an american journalist covering a civil war in another country who shouldn't be interfering at all) In this case it appears there was nothing the photographer could have done, so I wouldn't consider it unethical to take the photo. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:05:56 PM EDT
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The picture he is comparing is exactly like the one he took. He took photos of the aftermath of a tornado. That's what journalists do. He's not a narcissist, he's a journalist doing his job. Sorry to disagree, but that's my .02. I agree. If journalists taking pictures of injured/dying/dead people is wrong, we have a whooooole lot of pictures that our country and society publishes and republishes that we need to get rid of. And, I don't recall hearing any outrage about any of those pictures... I can think of well-known, well-used photographs of dead/dying, including children, that are, IMHO, much more invasive than this. The only difference here is that this girl was from America. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:08:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this same guy publish pictures of children who drown in swimming pools or die in car wrecks? I can't recall the details, but wasn't there a lawsuit a few years ago over this? Someone leaked pictures of a girl that was mangled in a traffic accident. In any event, this seems to be in poor taste. Even most legitimate journalists are parasites. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:11:29 PM EDT
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To me it boils down to one thing, Could the photographer have helped save their "subjects" life if they had acted instead of stood on the sideline to take an image? (This also takes into consideration if it would be appropriate to help, like an american journalist covering a civil war in another country who shouldn't be interfering at all) In this case it appears there was nothing the photographer could have done, so I wouldn't consider it unethical to take the photo. This was the first picture to pop into my head. 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:12:07 PM EDT
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I took the time to make an extensive FA kit to help when I can. I can't imagine hearing cries and moans from injured people and continuing on my chase. I am a thrill seeker, and I sell footage from high profile events like Joplin etc.. But I'm not cold and calloused. Part of the trend that seems to be occurring is EMS etc. don't want us there. I provide expedient triage for wounds etc and move on if warranted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some people have no class and decency. If 3/4 of the "lookie loo" crews that call themselves storm chasers wouldn't show up in the aftermath things would be a lot better, especially those looking to make a buck rather than help. Nothing is more infuriating then needing help and not one of the idiots who come to a disaster scene with their kids refuse to lend a hand. It's absolutely maddening. The legit professional storm chasers and those showing up to help are excluded obviously. I've been there on 5, and trust me if people are competent to help and have supplies they are appreciated. It's the idiots clogging streets with cars to take a peek, bringing their kids to the active scenes in flip flops to walk around and see the damage, following the TIV and the other vehicles around to see them in action and putting their families in danger and making the situation worse that don't need to be there. The people looking to make a buck also. The professional chasers doing it to warn, track, and gain knowledge never seem to be the problem. Unfortunately so many untrained fools looking to make a buck via internet sites that give the profession a bad rep. There is no mechanism to police their own so many more hacks are causing the issues. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:12:15 PM EDT
[#41]
Saw that photo. I don't feel it was distasteful. I don't see anything wrong with images or video that depict real life. Censorship is a slippery slope.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:12:41 PM EDT
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The picture is very tragic, but that's how people that weren't there can understand the impact.
Also....can someone please tell me how that board is being held up? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The picture is very tragic, but that's how people that weren't there can understand the impact. Also....can someone please tell me how that board is being held up? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:16:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't recall the details, but wasn't there a lawsuit a few years ago over this? Someone leaked pictures of a girl that was mangled in a traffic accident. In any event, this seems to be in poor taste. Even most legitimate journalists are parasites. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this same guy publish pictures of children who drown in swimming pools or die in car wrecks? I can't recall the details, but wasn't there a lawsuit a few years ago over this? Someone leaked pictures of a girl that was mangled in a traffic accident. In any event, this seems to be in poor taste. Even most legitimate journalists are parasites. The Cassouras case out california? The photos that were leaked came from Deputies, or EMTs, if I am remembering correctly.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:18:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw that photo. I don't feel it was distasteful. I don't see anything wrong with images or video that depict real life. Censorship is a slippery slope. He claims he rendered aide and then when the EMS showed up and took over he started his photography campaign. I don't know the veracity of the claim, or if it matters,
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:18:40 PM EDT
[#46]
There is a time for documenting and reporting and a time to put that shit away and help your fellow man. That time comes as soon as the storm starts doing serious damage to structures that contain people. Some of the guys seriously piss me off.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:19:24 PM EDT
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It was obviously enough to piss off the EMS on scene. When kids are involved, that often doesn't take much... at least from my experience. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a time for documenting and reporting and a time to put that shit away and help your fellow man. That time comes as soon as the storm starts doing serious damage to structures that contain people. Some of the guys seriously piss me off. I once was threatened with violence for taking video of people cleaning up their belongings at a rent a storage shortly after a damaging tornado. I un assed the scene instead of argue about my rights with pissed off victims.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:23:01 PM EDT
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He took many other images of the little girl. The side of her we can't see was grotesque from the wonds from what I'm hearing. I'm not liking the fact that he took images of this little girl while paramedics tended to her. It was obviously enough to piss off the EMS on scene. He claims he rendered aide and then when the EMS showed up and took over he started his photography campaign. I don't know the veracity of the claim, or if it matters, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw that photo. I don't feel it was distasteful. I don't see anything wrong with images or video that depict real life. Censorship is a slippery slope. He claims he rendered aide and then when the EMS showed up and took over he started his photography campaign. I don't know the veracity of the claim, or if it matters, Of course he did. That's how you do photography during real-time events. For every published picture at a sporting event, there are probably a minimum of a hundred, if not a thousand or more, that aren't. You don't get to set things up, pose people, prepare lighting, you just take pictures as things happen. You do your best to make each shot count, but still, for every stellar photograph, you'll have a LOT of rejects. Now, did he publish those pictures of grotesque wounds? From what I can tell, no. He published one that seems about as tasteful as you can get, and still capture the scene. One thing that I would have done, in his shoes, is to at least ask the family's thoughts and permission before publishing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:24:43 PM EDT
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He is defiant and comparing himself to Pulitzer Prize journalists, from war images etc... He uses the fireman holding the baby image from the OK city bombing as an example to defend himself. I think he is a narcissist. I think you're right. |
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