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bwilliams
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/854013.asp?0cv=CB10
(not gonna make a hot link to MSNBC)

With reports like this presented to the mainstream public versus the lesser published data from the pro gun lobby we can surely bet that the AWB will not sunset next September.

Grrr...

THE STUDY by Dr. Jeff Coben, director of Allegheny General Hospital’s Center for Violence and Injury Control, and Dr. Claudia Steiner of the federal Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, was published Wednesday in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.
      They analyzed injuries from 1997, the most recent year with complete data.
      Coben said that gunshots were “the leading cause for uninsured hospital days in the country that year.”
      He added: “That was pretty concerning to us, and pretty astounding.”  

         The $802 million figure represents hospital costs and does not include physician fees or follow-up care, Coben said.
      Initial stays cost, on average, almost $24,000 for assault cases and $30,000 for accident cases.
      Overall, 29 percent of patients did not have health insurance, the study found. Hospitals often have to absorb the costs of treating uninsured patients.
      Gun violence “isn’t just an issue that’s isolated to poor people in inner cities,” Coben said. “It’s going to affect all of us because of the costs involved.”
      Previous estimates of gun violence used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from 100 emergency departments around the country, Coben said.
     
       While that gave some information about nonfatal shootings, it didn’t offer details about what procedures victims underwent, their length of stay and whether victims were disabled or eventually died of their injuries.
      For their study, Coben and Steiner analyzed admission information gathered in 1997 from more than 1,000 hospitals in 22 states, including Pennsylvania, New York and California.
      They concluded that there were an estimated 35,800 firearm-related hospital admissions nationwide in 1997, similar to what the emergency room data predicted.
      About 7 percent of people died from their injuries, 12 percent went to other health facilities for rehabilitation or other care, and 75 percent recovered and went home, according to the study.  
         More than half the shootings occurred during assaults, about 30 percent were accidental and 8 percent were self-inflicted. The cause of the others could not be determined.
      Eighty-six percent of patients were male, and about 60 percent were younger than 30.
     

In all reality this is the same type of a bullshit "study" that Harborview Hospital did (with funding from the Insurance Institute Highway for Safety**) about the cost to "the taxpayer" of uninsured motorcyclists accidents.
Of course they left out the part about the injured motorcyclists SUEING the fucking morons who hit them to cause the accident in the first place. The part where the settlement goes back to the hospital to cover costs of the health care.

Then look at the data. It's from 1997! Now that's some recent and accurate data for sure...NOT!

Break down the stats...oops, they don't even list the numbers for all catagories. You KNOW someone is fucking with the numbers when they do that.

Let's see where the researchers work.

Allegheny General Hospital’s Center for Violence and Injury Control-
http://www.asri.edu/AGH/
Firmly Anti-Gun.
You have to look into their links section to see. Both of these links contain links to anti-gun outfits. It's not what they say out front, it's what they DON'T say.
http://www.injuryprevention.org/links/links.htm
http://www.injurycontrol.com/icrin/commun.htm

Federal Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
http://www.ahcpr.gov/
They list studies done by Kellerman, that puts them into the anti-gun camp.

But wait, it gets better. The next post will have the actual study!

NBC says:
More than half the shootings occurred during assaults, about 30 percent were accidental and 8 percent were self-inflicted. The cause of the others could not be determined.

Allegheny General Hospital says:
Assault accounted for 54% of cases, unintentional injuries accounted for 31% and self-inflicted injuries accounted for 8%.



*IIHS - The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Highway Loss Data Institute are independent, nonprofit, research and communications organizations funded by auto insurers and dedicated to reducing highway crash deaths, injuries, and property losses.

The actual study:
http://www.asri.edu/agh/news/index.cfm?zeus=5B07&hera=5D0652

AGH Study Shows Firearm Injuries Place Significant Economic Burden on American Hospitals

Injuries Rank Highest in Number and Length of Uninsured Hospital Stays

January 02, 2003: Each year more than 35,000 Americans are admitted to U.S. hospitals as the result of firearm related injuries, the cost of treating whom, in hospital charges alone, totals more than $800 million, according to a study published today in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine by researchers from Allegheny General Hospital (AGH) in Pittsburgh and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Service's Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ).


A first of its kind report, the study also shows that 29 percent of firearm victims have no health insurance to pay for their care, the financial burden of which falls largely on the shoulders of urban teaching hospitals.

Jeffrey Coben, M.D., an emergency medicine specialist and director of AGH's Center for Violence and Injury Control, conducted the study to illustrate the significant economic burden such injuries place on hospitals and healthcare systems nationwide. Claudia Steiner, M.D., MPH, a research scientist for AHRQ, served as the article's co-author.


Data for Drs. Coben and Steiner's analysis was obtained from the government's Healthcare Cost and Utilization Project (HCUP), maintained by the AHRQ. The information is derived from 1997 hospital discharge summaries and abstracts, created by hospitals primarily for billing and payment purposes. The hospital discharge summary contains patient demographic information, condition status, medical and/or surgical procedures received, and other factors about a hospital stay. Hospitals in many states provide discharge summaries to the state government, a hospital association, or some other designated health information organization.


Coben and Steiner found that an estimated 35,810 cases of firearm-related injury occurred nationwide in 1997. Of those, assault was the leading cause of firearm-related hospitalization, followed by unintentional injury. The average length of stay for patients with firearm-related injuries was 6 days, with an estimated total of 111,506 hospital days for firearm assault cases and 214,372 hospital days for all firearm-related cases. The average hospital charge for an assault related firearm case was $23,904, while the average charge associated with self-inflicted injury was $30,201. Forty-nine percent of the estimated $2.3 billion in lifetime medical costs for victims of firearm injuries was expected to be paid for by U.S. taxpayers.


"With the vast majority of firearm related injuries being treated at urban teaching hospitals and academic medical centers, such institutions incur a disproportionate associated economic burden. Firearm-related injuries rank highest among all conditions in the number of uninsured hospital stays, and the average length of stay is much longer compared with other medical conditions. The further development of firearm-related injury surveillance systems is vital in order to provide objective and nonpartisan information for future policy decisions that address this major public health issue," said Dr. Coben, who conducted the firearm study while serving as a Senior Scholar-in-Residence for Domestic Violence within AHRQ's Center for Outcomes and Effectiveness Research.


"The cost of death and injury resulting from gun violence is tremendous not only in terms of medical expenses, but in terms of lives lost, time away from work, and its effect on families and communities," said Aurelio Rodriquez, M.D., Director, AGH's Level One Shock Trauma Center. Dr. Rodriquez said the typically severe nature of firearm injuries requires substantial medical expertise and resources.


Study data revealed that approximately one thousand small bowel resections were required in 1997 as a result of firearm-related injuries in addition to 2,500 intracranial injuries and another 669 spinal cord injuries. Among the study's other findings:


* 86 percent of firearm-related injury cases were male.

* Assault accounted for 54% of cases, unintentional injuries accounted for 31% and self-inflicted injuries accounted for 8%.

* Seven percent of all firearm related cases died during hospitalization, compared to a 2.5% in-hospital death rate for all medical conditions.

* Approximately 60 percent of those sustaining firearm injuries were younger than 30 years of age.

* Firearm-related hospitalizations occurred most often on Saturdays and Sundays.

* The type of firearm most commonly implicated was a handgun, followed by shotgun and rifle.

"Firearm-related injuries are a significant public health problem in the United States. In 1997, gunshots resulted in 32,436 fatalities and over 6,400 nonfatal injuries requiring treatment in U.S. hospital emergency departments. Firearm-related injuries rank as the second leading cause of injury death behind motor vehicles and in many communities violence is the leading cause of death among young people. There have been, in general, relatively few assessments of the economic cost of such violence," Coben said.


Established in 1997, the Center for Violence and Injury Control (CVIC) serves as an interdisciplinary program that works to conserve health in communities by reducing the frequency and consequences of violence and unintentional injuries. CVIC conducts research on the leading causes of injury, including youth violence, motor vehicle-related injuries, domestic violence injuries, and injuries related to recreation activities such as biking and skateboarding.

Source: Allegheny General Hospital

[b]Primary Contact Information
Name: Dan Laurent
Phone: 412-359-8602
Company: Allegheny General Hospital
E-Mail: [email protected][/b]

BTT for the swing shift!

Firearms in the hand of the common citizen are the only thing that gives MSNBC the freedom to say such tripe. One of these days they will figure that out when they are taken off the air by the Ministry of Media Management. They will dream of the day when I can have my AR15.

Their figures mean nothing to me.

"Assault". I wonder how many "assaults" are actually shitbags who got shot by someone defending their life or property. I wonder how many "assaults" are fuckwads who got leaded up in some sort of drug deal or turf war.


29% of victims didn't have health insurance? I'll bet 99% of that 29% were scumsucking leeches living on the underbelly of society. If they had a job other than robbing people or dealing drugs, they'd probably have health insurance.

Although, I'm willing to donate hard cash to help alleviate the problem. I'll give $100 to a fund to ensure that drug dealers and violent felons get a decent burial. Well, I'll donate $100 worth of ammo, anyways.

Hmpppff. "Vast majority of firearm related injuries being treated at urban teaching hospitals and academic medical centers". Urban areas. Imagine that.

And what is the cost of a woman shooting some fuckstick who intends to rape her? Put a fucking price on that.

Man, when is liberal season, and where do I get a license?  

Interesting... I am SURE the portion of firearm deaths that are self-inflicted is MUCH higher than 8 percent. (it may be that self-inflicted gunshow wounds are more likely to be fatal and thus not cost the hospital anything...)

I wonder what you get if you add up all the medical costs of alcohol, or automobiles, or smoking... I bet $0.8 billion is spare change in comparison...