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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:43:58 AM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones.
Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:04:32 AM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:50:28 AM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? I'd like to know "in what way" also! I'm still dreaming of a Series 70 Gold Cup Match in Stainless I saw thirty years ago! |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:52:59 AM EDT
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I'm guessing here, but do the new ones have dovetailed front sight?
My old series 70 slide doesn't. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:53:20 AM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? I'd like to know "in what way" also! I'm still dreaming of a Series 70 Gold Cup Match in Stainless I saw thirty years ago! here ya go |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:57:37 AM EDT
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing.
Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:06:16 AM EDT
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing. Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/THR-Thumper/media/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/THR-Thumper/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg</a> They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:14:20 AM EDT
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing. Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/THR-Thumper/media/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/THR-Thumper/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg</a> Maybe I'm going full 13'er but do those grips come in a lefty version? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:16:52 AM EDT
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing. Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/THR-Thumper/media/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/THR-Thumper/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg</a> 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:17:54 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me the easiest way to attach a Osprey 45 to one of the new Series 70 guns? Is it as simple as a barrel swap?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:32:42 AM EDT
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That's really cool, I did not know that. I They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing. Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/THR-Thumper/media/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/THR-Thumper/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg</a> That's really cool, I did not know that. I They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:43:31 AM EDT
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THR is right; this thread needs more pics...
Before; Wiley Clapp Govt. Series 70: 
After some custom touches: 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:57:44 AM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:12:45 PM EDT
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IMHO the 70 series was commercial Colt is the best production 1911, just great guns How do the new ones compare? Why no gold medallion grips? How much are u paying for one now ? I own a few MK IV 70 series pistols but my favorites are the commercial series built up to 1970 and ending at serial # 336000-C The G serial number and B serial number MK IV's (large & small rollmark guns produced in the 1970's & early 80's are great guns but not near the finish quality of earlier specimens The new production Colt 70 series are very well made nicely finished pistols but I cant figure out why they called them 70's....the introduction of the collet bushing ushered in the 70'series yet Colt decided to come back to market with the new ones and call them 70's.....who knows why Here are a few examples I pulled from the safe Commercial Model Built up until 1970 
Large rollmark G prefix 
Small rollmark B suffix notice how faint rollmarks are when compared to bird dogs Wiley Clapp pictures above and this gun is 100% original condition with very little wear....typical Colt from the era.... 
This Colt Commander is one of my all time favorites...she carries well and eats absolutely everything... 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:41:58 PM EDT
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They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. You couldn't be more wrong. Seriously. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:54:19 PM EDT
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. You couldn't be more wrong. Seriously. I own a new production Delta Elite. It's been back to Colt twice because it bulges the cases of factory loaded ammunition. Tell me how I'm wrong. 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:50:12 PM EDT
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I'll gladly tell you you're wrong. I've had a few different examples of post 2008 Colts, and every one has been flawless. Pistol smiths have stated many times that the newer Colts are better built, and have tighter tolerances that the older models. Your one, while it is a shame, is not a reason to excoriate the entire production line. Hell, I had a serious lemon of an STI; doesn't mean that I don't recognize the overall quality of their pistols.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:06:01 PM EDT
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I'd like to know "in what way" also! I'm still dreaming of a Series 70 Gold Cup Match in Stainless I saw thirty years ago! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? I'd like to know "in what way" also! I'm still dreaming of a Series 70 Gold Cup Match in Stainless I saw thirty years ago! Mine is a Series 80 but it is still my favorite pistol. 
But my two tone Series 70 Combat Government Model is a solid gun too. 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:09:54 PM EDT
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Damn, you must need sunglasses when you shoot that!
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:10:26 PM EDT
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I have a 01911 and it's never given me a problem. I love it.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:15:40 PM EDT
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Damn, you must need sunglasses when you shoot that! The top of the slide is dull and grooved. But yea, you can use the sides as a signal mirror. 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:04:21 PM EDT
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Mine is a Series 80 but it is still my favorite pistol. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/ztug/media/20131119_145007_zpsde53c1c3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh564/ztug/20131119_145007_zpsde53c1c3.jpg</a> But my two tone Series 70 Combat Government Model is a solid gun too. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/ztug/media/8456081c-af03-40c6-bde1-c7c97d30a6c4_zps3eb8c932.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh564/ztug/8456081c-af03-40c6-bde1-c7c97d30a6c4_zps3eb8c932.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? I'd like to know "in what way" also! I'm still dreaming of a Series 70 Gold Cup Match in Stainless I saw thirty years ago! Mine is a Series 80 but it is still my favorite pistol. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/ztug/media/20131119_145007_zpsde53c1c3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh564/ztug/20131119_145007_zpsde53c1c3.jpg</a> But my two tone Series 70 Combat Government Model is a solid gun too. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/ztug/media/8456081c-af03-40c6-bde1-c7c97d30a6c4_zps3eb8c932.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh564/ztug/8456081c-af03-40c6-bde1-c7c97d30a6c4_zps3eb8c932.jpg</a> I bet you have the only two tone 70 series Combat Government out there.....love it.....is that a combat Government frame....is the front grip strap serrated? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:09:44 PM EDT
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While I did go with Glock instead, I did some research on 1911's before I stuck with what I grew up with. The overall opinion 2 years ago on the various 1911 forums is that modern series 70 pistols have more consistent quality control. Apparently back in the day, some of the pistols were awesome and others were lemons.
I still intend to get a Series 80 for carry and a Series 70 to be pimped out as a USPSA single stack gun eventually. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? I'm what way? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? low point in my opinion back in the early 70's to early 80's They were not lousy guns...By today's 1911 standards they would be in the lower tier. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:26:33 PM EDT
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They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. Wat? The Series 70 [original] was VERY hit and miss. You could get a nice one or a total POS. The pre 70s made in the 60s were FAR better built 1911s and the earlier one's were works of art. The new Series 70 is built to a much higher standard the the originals could ever dream to be. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:39:57 PM EDT
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I have one of the originals, and I've looked over a brand new one a few times.
The fit of the parts seems decent on both, but there's a definite difference in the finish. The new MkIV Series 70 is finished better than most recent production Colts I've seen, but there's something about the finish on the newer Colts that I'm not fond of. The sides of the slide have a decent polish, but the rest of the gun (and most other Colts) have a rough matte texture. I like the finish of my older example a bit better, but there's an obvious contrast to the bluing. 
On one hand, I wouldn't mind owning one of the new ones, but on the other, I think I'd rather have an entry level Dan Wesson for that kind of money. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 3:39:58 PM EDT
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I have one of the originals, and I've looked over a brand new one a few times. The fit of the parts seems decent on both, but there's a definite difference in the finish. The new MkIV Series 70 is finished better than most recent production Colts I've seen, but there's something about the finish on the newer Colts that I'm not fond of. The sides of the slide have a decent polish, but the rest of the gun (and most other Colts) have a rough matte texture. I like the finish of my older example a bit better, but there's an obvious contrast to the bluing. http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/Gun%20Stuff/MkIVSeries70.jpg On one hand, I wouldn't mind owning one of the new ones, but on the other, I think I'd rather have an entry level Dan Wesson for that kind of money. What kind of money are you looking at for an entry level DW? |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 3:47:01 PM EDT
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The Colt 1911 Series 70 Govt Model was my first handgun. Still have it
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Posted: 4/26/2014 3:53:23 PM EDT
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Might be my next purchase. Very interested in replies.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 6:27:15 AM EDT
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I have one of the originals, and I've looked over a brand new one a few times. The fit of the parts seems decent on both, but there's a definite difference in the finish. The new MkIV Series 70 is finished better than most recent production Colts I've seen, but there's something about the finish on the newer Colts that I'm not fond of. The sides of the slide have a decent polish, but the rest of the gun (and most other Colts) have a rough matte texture. I like the finish of my older example a bit better, but there's an obvious contrast to the bluing. http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/Gun%20Stuff/MkIVSeries70.jpg On one hand, I wouldn't mind owning one of the new ones, but on the other, I think I'd rather have an entry level Dan Wesson for that kind of money. What kind of money are you looking at for an entry level DW? I think both this Colt and the RZ-45 Heritage are in the $1100 range. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 6:27:40 AM EDT
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The Colt 1911 Series 70 Govt Model was my first handgun. Still have it The one I posted earlier was my first firearm. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 7:38:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The one I posted earlier was my first firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Colt 1911 Series 70 Govt Model was my first handgun. Still have it The one I posted earlier was my first firearm. Good choice. For the record though, had to replace the 3 finger collette once or twice, finally got the solid one like they use in the Gold Cup, the slide stop 2x or more, and the thumb safety at least once. I modified mine with rubber Pachmahrs, a Brownell's full length guide rod, cheap after market no name high profile sights I got at a gun show a long time ago  |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:18:46 AM EDT
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They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need a Series 70 full size repro. I like that they stuck on better sights AND got rid of the collet bushing. Thread needs pics. Loving my Series 70 WC Commander. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/THR-Thumper/media/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/THR-Thumper/Clapp1_zps4f3b3268.jpg</a> They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. Sorry, but if you go to their web page, even Colt uses the word "reproduction" with these pistols. So does the entirety of the Colt collecting world. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:24:34 PM EDT
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How much are the gold medallion grips going for now?
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:01:53 PM EDT
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They are not reproductions, they are legitimate Colt Series 70 pistols. Colt is making them not someone else. The serials numbers even continue where the initial production left off. I wish to God people would quit using the reproduction word with these pistols. So .... the roll mark on the left side is crooked on these too.... ? |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:07:53 PM EDT
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Wat? The Series 70 [original] was VERY hit and miss. You could get a nice one or a total POS. The pre 70s made in the 60s were FAR better built 1911s and the earlier one's were works of art. The new Series 70 is built to a much higher standard the the originals could ever dream to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The new ones are generally better than the old ones. Buds had some the other day. Not sure of price. Really? I'm what way? They aren't any better, unless you count the lack of the collet bushing "better" (which it is, btw). New Colt pistols are junk, your cash is better spent on an old one. Wat? The Series 70 [original] was VERY hit and miss. You could get a nice one or a total POS. The pre 70s made in the 60s were FAR better built 1911s and the earlier one's were works of art. The new Series 70 is built to a much higher standard the the originals could ever dream to be. This. Original Colt 70 series guns, made in the 70s, were the reason why everyone in the 80s and onwards complained that 1911s were jammomatic pieces of shit. They were fairly terrible guns. If you got one that worked, great...odds are though, you wouldn't get one that worked out of the box. New ones are awesome. To JBski: If your Delta is bulging cases, I'd guess either you're shooting some really hot-rod stuff, or the barrel was incorrectly throated. Did you do any work to it before sending it back to Colt? And can you define "factory loaded ammunition" please? Which factory/ammo maker? Have you tried different ammo? |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:25:51 PM EDT
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But, but... COLT!
Colt, man. TDP and shit, go to the chart! 
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:49:35 PM EDT
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Tell me how I'm wrong. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd79/brownj255/Firearms/imprint.jpg Because one doesn't prove ANYTHING. Because people that know far more about 1911s, work on them for a living, or depend on them know you're wrong. Quit being a baby about it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:02:41 PM EDT
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I love my 1991 commander.
My brother worked it over, and swapped some parts and it's been great. I do wish it was a series 70 though. It'd make detail stripping a bit more simple. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:43:22 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me the easiest way to attach a Osprey 45 to one of the new Series 70 guns? Is it as simple as a barrel swap? it's a 1911. there's no such thing as a "barrel swap". you should by a barrel from a reputable manufacturer and have someone that knows what he is doing fit the barrel to your gun. you may be able to "drop in" barrels in more mass production type 1911's such as a sig, but plain and simply those guns are not as "good". And quite frankly those guns may need to be fit as well. i do not know as i don't work on them for a living |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:25:24 AM EDT
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I've bought six Colt 1911 variants in the last three years, and every one of them looks, shoots and handles as good as anything Colt made back in the day. My Rail Gun has a few thousand rounds through it so far, with nothing more than a few failures to feed when it was new. Now that it's "loosened up" a bit, it devours everything I run through it and keeps on truckin'.
I have no reason to believe the new Series 70 guns aren't every bit as good, and I'll be grabbing one of them first chance I get. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:50:05 AM EDT
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Love my B run Series 70.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:22:19 AM EDT
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They certainly are good lookers with the polished blue. However i refuse to buy another 1911 with mim parts I guess im old school that way. YMMV
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:30:56 AM EDT
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They certainly are good lookers with the polished blue. However i refuse to buy another 1911 with mim parts I guess im old school that way. YMMV God, not this shit again. 
How many MIM parts have you broken? And I guess you ignore just how many 1911 makers, including the high end guys, that use MIM parts. And you do know that they can be replaced, right? ETA: These are the only MIM parts in a Colt XSE...Magazine Catch, Mag Catch Lock, Sear, Disconnector |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God, not this shit again. How many MIM parts have you broken? And I guess you ignore just how many 1911 makers, including the high end guys, that use MIM parts. And you do know that they can be replaced, right? ETA: These are the only MIM parts in a Colt XSE...Magazine Catch, Mag Catch Lock, Sear, Disconnector Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They certainly are good lookers with the polished blue. However i refuse to buy another 1911 with mim parts I guess im old school that way. YMMV God, not this shit again. How many MIM parts have you broken? And I guess you ignore just how many 1911 makers, including the high end guys, that use MIM parts. And you do know that they can be replaced, right? ETA: These are the only MIM parts in a Colt XSE...Magazine Catch, Mag Catch Lock, Sear, Disconnector It's the 1911 forum all over again.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:41:50 AM EDT
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Picked this up at a gun show about 5 years ago. 1974. It was dry and a little dirty but wasn't even broken in. Cleaned it up and love it.
 It is dirty from shooting in the pick. Also - yes the roll mark in slanted. ETA - Here's the other side.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:44:04 AM EDT
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It's the 1911 forum all over again. Birddog is right. MIM parts aren't that big of a deal. And if you're buying a 1911 without MIM you're way out of the price range of the colts anyways.
Not exactly, unless things have changed. The Sig GSR was early on advertised as no MIM. Can't say if that's still true. Apparently DW has one less MIM part. Okay, so if it's a shitty made MIM part, yes it could lead to a problem. However, Colt is highly regarded for having excellent MIM parts. The only part I might concern myself with would be the disconnector. Though I have yet to break one on anything but a STI gun. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:54:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:And if you're buying a 1911 without MIM you're way out of the price range of the colts anyways.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:56:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the 1911 forum all over again. Birddog is right. MIM parts aren't that big of a deal. And if you're buying a 1911 without MIM you're way out of the price range of the colts anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They certainly are good lookers with the polished blue. However i refuse to buy another 1911 with mim parts I guess im old school that way. YMMV God, not this shit again. How many MIM parts have you broken? And I guess you ignore just how many 1911 makers, including the high end guys, that use MIM parts. And you do know that they can be replaced, right? ETA: These are the only MIM parts in a Colt XSE...Magazine Catch, Mag Catch Lock, Sear, Disconnector It's the 1911 forum all over again. Birddog is right. MIM parts aren't that big of a deal. And if you're buying a 1911 without MIM you're way out of the price range of the colts anyways. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:57:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Picked this up at a gun show about 5 years ago. 1974. It was dry and a little dirty but wasn't even broken in. Cleaned it up and love it. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Bacon51/Colt%201911/Series-70-06web.jpg It is dirty from shooting in the pick. Also - yes the roll mark in slanted. ETA - Here's the other side. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Bacon51/Colt%201911/Series-70-07web.jpg |
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