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BTW this was drawn by the same cartoonist that does the kudzu comic strip.  The Tallahassee Democrat didn't publish it live, but it was on their internet site a couple days and the cartoonist has had a lot of death threats from Muslims since then...

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A Yugo.........?

The sweet irony of it!

Edited to add:  If "truck bomb" was removed from the choices, wouldn't it be a full size Crown Vic or Caprice?  I thought I read somewhere that they really liked full size American cars in the Middle East.

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That is what mohammed would have sex with again, not DRIVE.... OH WAIT...I get it...AAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


BISHOP

A weird movie.

Oh wait, I thought you asked, "What was Mulholland Drive?"

DrMark

OK Doc...

Explain that movie to us???

Mohammed preached of peace. He was a prophet similar to Jesus. In fact they both worshipped the same God.

Mohammed followed Islam. It is one of the most peaceful religions we know. However, like Christianity, the scripture can be twisted.

I trust everyone is only intending to insult the splinter sects of an otherwise peaceful and ancient religion from which Christianity and Catholicism were born from.

And it was apparently "twisted" quite EARLY considering that it spread through the Middle East, for the most part, by CONQUEST.



No, I intend to state plainly that most Islamic countries are backward, violent and mysognistic dictatorships and the few that aren't are EXCEPTIONS rather than the rule.  That is not to say that all MUSLIMS in the world are violent, for that is certainly not so.  But most Muslim COUNTRIES certainly are.  It is probably not a function of the religion, as both Judaism and Christianity also have elements of their holy books that, if taken literally could be used to promote violence.  Rather I think that it is a function of Islamic countries being in a part of the world where society is backward and feudal in nature.
But whatever the reason, it is very clear that most Islamic countries are our enemies and that we should be VERY suspicious of people from those countries who come to this country under work or student visas.

That's exactly what I was picturing as I clicked on the topic.

And how ironic to get death threats from Muslims for implying that they are all terrorists...

Mohammed would drive something like a Barbie-mobile, you know...like a Beetle with flowers painted all over it, for the purpose of attracting 13-year old girls.

It IS interesting that the cartoonist received all those death threats from the adherents of a peaceful religion.

Peaceful, my ASS!

Furthermore, Islam does NOT worship the God of Israel. This is a myth. Allah is NOT God, Allah is Satan. Period.

That's interesting. As I recall it was the Christian missionaries who wiped out most cultures in the Americas. There was also something called the Inquisition. All religions have committed murder in the name of their deity. "Conquest" is exactly what the missionaries had in mind for the Aztecs. An entire race wiped out in the name of Christ. I call that Genocide.

The rest of your statement seems somewhat ethnocentric to me. If it's not our way it's backwards. I don't agree with many of their traditions, however I don't see how making fun of a peaceful religion is noble in our efforts against the splinter sects.

Of course there are middle-eastern countries that are pissed off at us. Look at what we did to them during the Cold War. When the USSR invaded Afghanistan. We promised to help the Afghans. We said we'd help protect their civilians. Instead we left them to the Soviets. I'd be pissed of too! We betrayed the Afghan Resistance to a common enemy.

They don't understand who we are. All they know is the propaganda their leaders have pumped into them and how we've treated them in history. Islam is not the enemy. The foreign countries and the fanatical leaders are the enemy.



So with that in mind we are agreed that we have just insulted one of the great Prophets of God for no good reason other than to send an attack on a socially ignorant country from our socially ignorant country.

I call it four hundred years ago. I call the problems with Islamic countries CURRENT EVENTS.  Shame you can't tell the difference.



Oh well.  Tough for you.  The fact is, not all cultures are good.  Theirs is bad.  Deal with it.



You really don't know anything about recent history, do you?  We in fact supported the Afghans against the Soviets and were instrumental in their defeat of the Soviet invasion.  There was no abandonment.  But given the BS you're spewing, the fact you got that part wrong as well is no surprise.



No, I don't consider Mohammed anything but a nutcase.  Don't take it personally, however, as I feel the same way about most so-called "prophets."  As for attacking them...tough shit.  They attacked us first and with something a good deal more harmful than an editorial cartoon.
Go grab a ride on the clue train and get your historical revisionism and cultural equivalency out of my face.

They call that transportation [b]and[/b] a date over there, dude.....   [:D]



Scott

And what would he want with [b]GIRLS[/b]?!?!?


Scott

P.S. Bring the death threats on ya "peaceful" raghead camelhumping idiots!!!!!

EDIT: My apologies again. I deleted the expletive. But I stand by comment about molesting little boys.....

Do you honestly think humans have changed in 400 years? Our attitudes are still the same. That's the problem.

The middle east has been the crossroads of the world for thousands of years. They learned racial tolerance and co-existence long before the US even thought of Political Correctness.
Perhaps we have something to learn from them. Unless we are willing to learn from others we are ethnocentric.

The US pulled from Afghanistan because we couldn't afford to get directly involved in a war with the USSR. That was the whole idea of the "Cold War". We were at war with the USSR but since the both of us were both nuclear superpowers we couldn't afford to have a head on conflict. We didn't back the Afghans at the risk of totally destabilizing an already unstable situation. We gave them weapons but no real support. They needed profession soldiers to help defend their homes. We pulled out. CNN lied.

Islam didn't attack us. Mohammed didn't attack us. Terrorists fighting under the false banner of religion attacked us. We're fighting terrorism not Islam. They are a splinter sect. A rouge religion apart from Islam. Know your enemy.

I didn't think a debate like this would be so upsetting. Not enough to start insulting me as well. I guess being able to recite the 2nd Amendment excuses you from the 1st. I'm on the "Clue Train". I will speak my mind, Sir, and I will do so with integrity. Not insults.

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Nope.  I'm talking about the same muslims that made school girls run back into a burning building because they weren't wearing "appopriate" religious garments.  They all died.  I'm talking about the same muslims that killed 3,000+ of my fellow citizens in one morning.  I'm talking about the same muslims that cut off a womans clitoris, who strap a bomb on and murder civilians.  

What muslims are you talking about?

What would Mohammed drive ?
He would drive a 2 humped camel just as pictured here because he wouldn't have the common since to get a car or truck because things shouldn't progress past the year 1400 AD !
And yes, it would be packed up the ass with explosives !! With a short fuse.

I could give a crap less what muhammed would drive.  He was an inconseqential child molester  who has brough untold suffering upon not only a region but much of the world.

When violence and murder stop eminating from mosques, encouraged by clerics, I MAY form a different opinion of moslems.

When 75% of the world's conflicts no longer involve moslems as the aggressors stiring up trouble, I may consider them something other than violent.

When they stop stoning people to death for religious differences, I may consider them reasonable.

When they stop treating women like slaves and worse, I may consider them civilized.

When they stop starting wars and murdering innocent non combatants out of religious zeal I may find them to not be warmongering.

When they can tell the truth and face the music for their actions, I may no longer consider them sneaky liars.

When they have the courage of men t face the US on the field of battle and take their licks (which we will surely give them) I will consider them warriors rather than sniveling cowards and vermin that kill women and children.

When they acknowledge the aid and assistance given them by the US with proper thanks and humility I may consider them to be something other than ungrateful, greedy morons.


Until I see some of these changes from their poor excuse for leadership, an apology (heartfelt) from the vast majority of their populace and a complete turnabout from their "clergy" I will consider them the enemy.

Well said,sir.

Mickey Mouse for President!

JoJo and Mickey,
  Your arguments have been direct. I like that. Most all the points you guys made are valid. Those are statements I can agree with.

The cultures of many middle-eastern countries are antiquated. They follow an old philosophy that has no place in the modern world.

Their fear of progress has clouded their faith.

Let's get the red out of our eyes for a moment.

As I stated Islam is by it's scripture a peaceful religion, but they are antiquated in their society. Most countries have been guilty of similar things in the past. Even recent past.

I posted my point to strike up a debate. It doesn't mean I support the cruel treatment some of these countries tolerate in their borders. For that I would support a full ground force in the middle-east. In fact I think it's long over due. However I'd like to point out that the war would be fought among cultures, governments and countries not religion. They have twisted the meaning of their religion for their convenience. It is not a Holy War as they would have us believe. It is a war of "right and wrong". Our's vs their's. If we direct our cause to the wrong target then we have just allowed it to become a war of religion, a Holy War.

Factions in those countries can be cruel and inhumane. I'd have no problem opening up a can'o whup-ass for what they've done to the innocent. That's what combat is ideally for. The defense of those who cannot defend themselves. Not who can beat up who's God.

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Okay so you're a muslim? The only people (religous or not) I know who refer to Jesus as a prophet ARE.



Mohammed CREATED Islam.



Apart from all the others, sure. [rolleyes]



I hope you are referring to Judaism here; your writing is not very clear. Christianity PREDATES Islam, not the other way around.



If the "splinter sects" are a majority of the population in most muslim majority countries then you've got something there.

Is Wahabism a "splinter sect"?

Does the way so many countries (and others want to return to!) practice their sharia law (e.g. stoning to death for adultery) make them members of the "splinter sect"?



What we did to them in the cold war? Like the treacherous Egyptians going over to the other side AFTER WE BAILED THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES OUT OF THE SUEZ CRISIS, and in doing so screwed over our allies the British and French. Talk about ingratitude! Yet, even after two failed wars as a Soviet client state we took them back and have given them a [green]$fortune$[/green] since then. [rolleyes]

Oh, and we didn't betray the afghan resistance; we were almost the only thing keeping it going. I have no idea where you got the notion that we pledged to safeguard every Afghani civilian from the evil russkies. A source for that please to back-up your claim! They were supported until the Soviets left -- after that it was Afghan vs Afghan. Please compare our aid with all the wonderful muslim countries out there (not just some Saudi money). What did you want us to do, give them a blank check in perpetuity? [whacko]



Only if they have something to teach. Looking at the number of aspirants to higher education wanting to come here from muslim countries (more requests than are granted every year), and the dearth going the other direction, I would say it is fairly clear who has the better understanding of the knowledge required to live in the modern world.



This is totally inane, but probably how many muslims and al-qaeda members look at it;  certainly not one American I've ever talked to. We did provide weapons and training (including our best hand-held anti-aircraft missiles, which has come back to haunt us...) but there was never any possibility that we would insert ground forces, risking world war three over some third world shit-hole. Why don't you judge Iran, Pakistan or every other muslim country that wouldn't put ground troops into that conflict as harshly? [rolleyes] Just be happy we helped the Afghans out at all!!! Your Koran is really showing with this one. [whacko]



Again, only a muslim would put it that way. Have fun here. [;)]

Christians believe Jesus was Christ, not a prophet. And if Allah is the God of Abraham, why are so many Muslims bent on killing every living Christian, Jew, and eventually Buddhist (since they are not Muslim, they must be infidels too after all).



Should have been easy for him since he conjured up Islam all by himself. At least he was self confident.



You mean Judaism? If Muslims think Judaism is otherwise peaceful, why do they spend every waking minute sworn to its destruction? If you are referring to Islam as the peaceful and ancient religion, you forget that Christianity predates Islam by many hundreds of years. Judaism predates it by much longer than that.

If we are waging war on Islam, then how do you explain the upcoming war on Iraq, which is a secular government?

I think you're going to be fighting an uphill battle here until you learn some factual history and can separate it from Muslim propaganda.

I agree, though, that there is no reason for personal attacks in what is an otherwise civilized debate.

Right.  Lincoln Town Car...Beige with white rims and fuzzy dice off the rearview mirror...with 80's pop rock on the stereo.

Umm...hello?  Yes, we have.  In the last 400 years we have gone from a world where EVERY SINGLE NATION was a monarchy to one where only a handful are (and most of them are in Muslim countries).  We've gone from a world with NO representative governments to one where the representative governments almost outnumber those that aren't. We've gone from a world where women were little more than chattel to one where they can vote, hold office and own property.  Yes, we've changed DRAMATICALLY in the last 400 years...but the Islamic countries have gone the other direction: they've REGRESSED, mostly since the late 1800s.



The attitudes in Islamic countries is still the same.  That's the problem.



And then, in the last 150 years they UNLEARNED it.



What? How to subjugate women?  How to torture and murder our own citizens?  How to fund terror around the world?  How to censor movies, TV, radio and the internet?  I guess those are the lessons you want us to learn from the Islamic world?



Maybe we should learn from their MISTAKES rather than repeating them.  Maybe you should learn ANYTHING at all.



No, Buckwheat, we never had troops IN Afghanistan.  We never were in open war there.  You know exactly SHIT about it, apparently.  From the beginning, we had CIA advisors providing intelligence and weapons to the mujahadeen and we didn't pull them out till the Soviets were gone.  



No, but whoever has been teaching you "history" has lied to you.  We never HAD troops in there to pull out.  The thing that desperately needs to be pulled out is your head from your ass.



But the people that did were Islamic people from Islamic countries from Islamic terror groups funded by rich Muslims.



You're close.  Terrorists fighting under the banner of a FALSE religion attacked us.



They're a "rouge" religion?  You mean they wear makeup?  (hint: it's "rogue.)



Then you should have kept your ignorant ass out of it.



That's what happens when you LIE and spread easily-detectable falsehoods and inaccuracies while defending those that have killed thousands of American civilians.  Maybe that's another of the many lessons you need to learn.



Oh, here we go:  another idiot whining that his right to free speech has been abridged simply because someone TOLD him what an idiot he was.  Junior, the right to free speech has NEVER been the right to UNOPPOSED speech.  You have the right to talk like an idiot and I have the right to inform you what an idiot you sound like. THAT'S free speech.



You're being dragged under the wheels of the clue train.



Your mind is a terrible thing to speak...your ignorance is insulting.

Muhammed probably would drive a Rolls-Royce or 600 series Mercedes, just like his fellows who can have wealth flowing in by holding up working people at the gas pump.  One can also make a fortune on the commodity futures and options markets if one can manipulate the price of the underlying commodity.  These phony howlers spare nothing on themselves.

As far as the prophet Mohammed and his descendents, some Imams implying they are prophets.  Could it be that he is one of the "False prophets" predicted somewhat earlier?   Wasn't there some comment about, "Do not believe them; by their deeds shall you know them?"

Mr. Roberts, I believe you have hit the nail squarely on the head.

No, actually Mohammed preached of war and had sex with a 9 year old girl.  Islam swept its way across north africa and throughout the middle east by the sword, not compassion.  In only 100 years it had made it to France, where muslims repeatedly invaded homes, and killed "the infidel."  (Lookup the Battle of Tours, 732 AD)


No, he was not similar to Jesus.  Jesus preached that the highest commandment was to love God, and the second highest was to love one's neighbor as one's self.  Muhammed preached that the highest honor was to die in a jihad, killing the infidels.  Jesus is the Son of God, and is one with God.  Muhammed hijacked a moon-worshipping cult.  Yes, look up the origins of Islam.  In the early 600's AD, Islam was invented by muhammed from moon-worship.


No, he invented it.


Ask the north africans of the 7th century about that.  Or the franks of the same era.  Or the Jews and Christians of the middle east (from 7th century until now).  Or the people of New York.  Or Indonesia.  Or India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria or Bangladesh.  Oh wait, they were raped, maimed, or killed by the so-called religion of peace.


No, I insult the whole ravenous beast.  Every root and branch is cursed and evil.  It seeks our destruction.


Maybe your post was sarcastic.  I hope your utter lack of history is feigned.  Christianity began to be preached at around the time of Jesus' ascension, circa 30AD.  Islam was invented 600 years later from a moon-cult.

Uh, those ones who did 9/11 are the fanitic splinters.....

Scott

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He would drive the Kamell 3.5 Type S

Know why they don't teach Drivers Ed and Sex Ed on the same day in Afghanistan?
The Camels can't handle it! [:D]

I [i]guess[/i] he could drive this. [:D]


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I thought "Charlie" was a term USGI's used for the VC, not the new term we'll associate with ignorant muslim sympathizers.

Ignorance is truly bliss in this case.  

Hopefuly this:
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There are only 2 types of Muslim's:
THE one's who want all American's dead because they hate them!
And...
The one's who hate all American's and want to kill them!

BigDozer66