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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:48:35 PM EDT
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Water, no.
Accessible potable water? Yes. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:51:40 PM EDT
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If the aquifers are all completely full, all the reservoirs, lakes, and other freshwater bodies are full, and the ground is saturated...
And it rains again... Where does the extra water go? Other than your basement, I mean. Anyhow, it's not like we're going to suddenly run out of fresh water. The bigger issue is the energy cost associated with supply, filtration, pumping, wastewater treatment, etc. There's a huge energy cost just associated with moving it all, and those costs are unrecoverable. Assuming the infrastructure cost is fixed, water conservation does save energy, and thus it saves you money. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:52:10 PM EDT
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The planet is almost 87% water. 97.5% of the water on Earth is in the oceans and is full of tasty delicious salt. Go get a few hundred gallons of seawater and run all your house shit on it for a few weeks - it's going to go real bad. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:53:30 PM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:54:24 PM EDT
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Every gallon of gasoline you burn in your car creates a gallon of water.
If you want more fresh water, you need to drive more. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the aquifers are all completely full, all the reservoirs, lakes, and other freshwater bodies are full, and the ground is saturated... And it rains again... Where does the extra water go? Other than your basement, I mean. Anyhow, it's not like we're going to suddenly run out of fresh water. The bigger issue is the energy cost associated with supply, filtration, pumping, wastewater treatment, etc. There's a huge energy cost just associated with moving it all, and those costs are unrecoverable. Assuming the infrastructure cost is fixed, water conservation does save energy, and thus it saves you money. Want to study up on drought conditions, recharge rates, and what over stressing of municipal water supplies is doing. Because what is really happening across the country is the opposite of what you describe in the first half of your post. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:56:53 PM EDT
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If the aquifers are all completely full, all the reservoirs, lakes, and other freshwater bodies are full, and the ground is saturated... And it rains again... Where does the extra water go? Other than your basement, I mean. Anyhow, it's not like we're going to suddenly run out of fresh water. The bigger issue is the energy cost associated with supply, filtration, pumping, wastewater treatment, etc. There's a huge energy cost just associated with moving it all, and those costs are unrecoverable. Assuming the infrastructure cost is fixed, water conservation does save energy, and thus it saves you money. And if you have a well/septic, electricity is not much to run that. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:57:45 PM EDT
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Every gallon of gasoline you burn in your car creates a gallon of water. If you want more fresh water, you need to drive more. F350 is a diesel. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:57:49 PM EDT
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FPNI, once again. It's actually a serious problem in some places.
Fortunately there are emergency methods to make safe drinking water. The easiest is to fill clear plastic bottles and leave them in the sun for a few hours. The UV rays sterilize the water. Still doesn't make up for the lack of infrastructure. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:58:42 PM EDT
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I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished.
I do care about wasting my money. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished. I do care about wasting my money. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:02:43 PM EDT
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You live in California. Your water does not get replenished, it gets purchased. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished. I do care about wasting my money. Hey the central valley got 3/4" in the past few weeks. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:05:40 PM EDT
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I suppose it depends on where you live.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:06:59 PM EDT
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F350 is a diesel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every gallon of gasoline you burn in your car creates a gallon of water. If you want more fresh water, you need to drive more. F350 is a diesel. 4C12H23 + 71O2 --> 48CO2 + 46H2O |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:14:05 PM EDT
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And on the same lines. Why can't we pour motor oil into the ground?
Doesn't oil come from the ground? I know it can't run into a river, but what about a spot where it would just absorb into the dirt undisturbed |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:11:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 97.5% of the water on Earth is in the oceans and is full of tasty delicious salt. Go get a few hundred gallons of seawater and run all your house shit on it for a few weeks - it's going to go real bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The planet is almost 87% water. 97.5% of the water on Earth is in the oceans and is full of tasty delicious salt. Go get a few hundred gallons of seawater and run all your house shit on it for a few weeks - it's going to go real bad. and 1/2 of the remaining 2.5% is tied up in ice. the first post nailed it. water isn't wasted in the sense of being destroyed. rather, it is rendered unusable (either through pollution or diversion into an unusable segment of the hydrologic cycle). for example, reservoirs lose a substantial portion of water directly to evaporation. the water isn't destroyed, but it is rendered unusable. or consider aquifer drawdown. depending on the geology of the aquifer, water can flow centimeters per day. so when a lot of people are sinking wells, the water table can drop sharply. in parts of the ogalalla, the water table dropped 150 feet in only 50 years. most of that water runs off (picking up pollutants on its way), and is accelerated into streamflow and out to sea. this is especially troublesome in north and west texas, where the water takes about 10,000 years to arrive from the primary recharge zone in nebraska. there is a reason that china has been trying for a decade to import water from alaska and canada. water works in a cycle, but only one segment of that cycle is usable. whether or not anyone gives a shit about environmental causes, poor stewardship of available fresh water is a recipe for economic disaster. if you doubt that, look at what happened on the east and west coast this year.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:13:23 AM EDT
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I piss on my driveway a lot. Am I wasting piss?
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:13:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And on the same lines. Why can't we pour motor oil into the ground? Doesn't oil come from the ground? I know it can't run into a river, but what about a spot where it would just absorb into the dirt undisturbed what do you think happens when rain hits the ground?
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:14:49 AM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. What he said. Water you can drink is NOT 87% of the planet. That water has to be treated and purified. THAT takes energy. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:16:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and 1/2 of the remaining 2.5% is tied up in ice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The planet is almost 87% water. 97.5% of the water on Earth is in the oceans and is full of tasty delicious salt. Go get a few hundred gallons of seawater and run all your house shit on it for a few weeks - it's going to go real bad. and 1/2 of the remaining 2.5% is tied up in ice. the first post nailed it. water isn't wasted in the sense of being destroyed. rather, it is rendered unusable (either through pollution or diversion into an unusable segment of the hydrologic cycle). snipThe other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:19:35 AM EDT
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what do you think happens when rain hits the ground? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And on the same lines. Why can't we pour motor oil into the ground? Doesn't oil come from the ground? I know it can't run into a river, but what about a spot where it would just absorb into the dirt undisturbed what do you think happens when rain hits the ground? Asphalt roads made from oil becomes moistened. I just answered two questions in one right there. You're both welcome. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:20:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well put. The other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... The other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea.  reading about impermeable land cover on arfcom--my day just got better! sincerely, the resident enviro-hippie  |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:45:10 AM EDT
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Where the hell do you get the idea that the earth is 80% water?
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Posted: 4/6/2014 12:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where the hell do you get the idea that the earth is 80% water? Unless of course it was the running gag. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:09:35 AM EDT
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dont live in the desert
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:16:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished. I do care about wasting my money. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:20:12 AM EDT
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Only 0.06% of Earth's mass is water.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:21:14 AM EDT
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I'm surprised that a Californian resident doesn't understand it's water situation/agreement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished. I do care about wasting my money. I'm not. 
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't care about "wasting" a resource that gets continuously replenished. I do care about wasting my money. I'm not.  |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:43:26 AM EDT
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Where the hell do you get the idea that the earth is 80% water? Approx 75% of the surface area of the Earth is covered in water. Does that highlight the confusion for you? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:54:02 AM EDT
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reading about impermeable land cover on arfcom--my day just got better! sincerely, the resident enviro-hippie
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... The other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea.
reading about impermeable land cover on arfcom--my day just got better! sincerely, the resident enviro-hippie
Recharging rates for major aquifers is one of the big things I worry about. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:59:24 AM EDT
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Approx 75% of the surface area of the Earth is covered in water. Does that highlight the confusion for you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where the hell do you get the idea that the earth is 80% water? Approx 75% of the surface area of the Earth is covered in water. Does that highlight the confusion for you? 0.06% of the Earth's mass is water. Does that clarify the cause of confusion for you? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:07:44 AM EDT
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Surprising is that this thread went the direction it did, and the derp was contained.
Not surprising will be when the derp resurfaces in another thread, and the spreaders of it will have shown they simply ignored those who tried to educate them, as they seek to find more "like-minded" people to jerk themselves off with, while complaining that GD has been taken over by "liberals." |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:11:42 AM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. FPNI! |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:20:07 AM EDT
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Surprising is that this thread went the direction it did, and the derp was contained. Not surprising will be when the derp resurfaces in another thread, and the spreaders of it will have shown they simply ignored those who tried to educate them, as they seek to find more "like-minded" people to jerk themselves off with, while complaining that GD has been taken over by "liberals." No model trains or imitation Krab meat for you! |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:34:41 AM EDT
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Maybe someone should ask people in drought plagued areas of the west/SW if water can be wasted.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:49:52 AM EDT
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I don't worry about it.
People will figure out how to clean the water, the price will go up but it'll be there. It's pretty hard to destroy, and when you do, the components spontaneously recombine back into water. It's fuels I worry about not having enough of. The price of those is already skyrocketing.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't worry about it. People will figure out how to clean the water, the price will go up but it'll be there. It's pretty hard to destroy, and when you do, the components spontaneously recombine back into water. The problem is water location... it's got to get back to a place it's useful. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:11:00 AM EDT
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Every gallon of gasoline you burn in your car creates a gallon of water. If you want more fresh water, you need to drive more. My car doesn't burn gasoline; it's a diesel. Do I love or hate water more than gasoline owners because of this? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:14:17 AM EDT
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I'm sure it's possible for clean water to be used faster than it can be treated. But that's a question of capacity, not of quantity.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:30:11 AM EDT
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Have you ever considered how many gallons/day are locked up in landfills in the form of small drops of water in plastic bottles with the lid on it? Not to mention the half full bottles that are thrown away.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:34:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it's possible for clean water to be used faster than it can be treated. But that's a question of capacity, not of quantity. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:38:25 AM EDT
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In my case in the Northeast I pump it out of the ground , use it and dump it back into a on-site septic system.
No waste except for the small amount of electricity it takes to run the pump. In cities near to me they pump it further but the majority of the cost of excess use would be for treatment of the potable water and then treatment of the sewage. There is considerable cost to infrastructure for the treatment plants on both ends and all the supply system but that need is there anyway, the only cost attributed to "waste" would be for the excess size of the infrastructure associated to the "waste". In other words if a city or county wide area could convince end users to somehow reduce water usage 10% the total cost reduction of that system would drop but nowhere near the 10%. In some of the water systems out west where water is sourced in one place ,then transmitted great distances to the areas where it is used and generally disposed of there are two things going on . First the necessity to move the water great distance makes it generally more expensive and since the water is used and disposed of great distances from the original source the issue can become just how much water can be removed from that source before you damage or reduce that source . Any area water supply organization or authority is generally playing catch up when their usage levels are rising . There are tremendous costs involved in planning , designing , building and maintaining these huge systems and like most government entities they tend to push that cost forward in hopes "something" will come along . They are chicken to show the real costs and raise the necessary funds by fees or higher taxes so they borrow or bond which adds the cost of debt service . Putting off maintenance is also foolish and only costs more in future years. Much of the hand wringing about "waste" is a effort to place blame for bad management and planning in past years |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:39:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My car doesn't burn gasoline; it's a diesel. Do I love or hate water more than gasoline owners because of this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every gallon of gasoline you burn in your car creates a gallon of water. If you want more fresh water, you need to drive more. My car doesn't burn gasoline; it's a diesel. Do I love or hate water more than gasoline owners because of this? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:39:34 AM EDT
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We have severe water restrictions.
I'm considering just,putting rocks,down for a lawn. We can't water enough anyway. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:42:47 AM EDT
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It's not a problem here, but in some parts of the World fresh water is expensive.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:43:31 AM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. I agree. The water will stay on the planet, but will it stay where it's needed in the form its needed? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:46:55 AM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. Correct. Heck...we are drinking the same water that dinosaurs drank. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:48:51 AM EDT
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Water, no. Accessible potable water? Yes. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:49:07 AM EDT
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the first post nailed it. water isn't wasted in the sense of being destroyed. rather, it is rendered unusable (either through pollution or diversion into an unusable segment of the hydrologic cycle). snip Well put. The other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The planet is almost 87% water. 97.5% of the water on Earth is in the oceans and is full of tasty delicious salt. Go get a few hundred gallons of seawater and run all your house shit on it for a few weeks - it's going to go real bad. and 1/2 of the remaining 2.5% is tied up in ice. the first post nailed it. water isn't wasted in the sense of being destroyed. rather, it is rendered unusable (either through pollution or diversion into an unusable segment of the hydrologic cycle). snip Well put. The other side of the coin, is continued building and modification of the land keeps water from staying in the right place long enough. Every road, roof, storm drain parking lot etc. works to take rainfall and divert it straight back to the sea. This. I've said for years that we ought to make parking lots and roads out of Mardsden Matting. |
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