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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:33:47 PM EDT
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:33:56 PM EDT
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Glock > M&P > Almost everything else > XD Cocaine is a helluva drug 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:34:05 PM EDT
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I went with the XD 45 because of the grip size and angle. I still love my glocks but they don't point as naturally for me.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:34:58 PM EDT
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That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:37:10 PM EDT
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Glock > M&P > Almost everything else > XD Cocaine is a helluva drug No he just has fine taste in firearms. Though I'd put High Power below XD |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:38:34 PM EDT
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:39:07 PM EDT
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XDM 5.25 in 9 and 45.
I like the way they feel in my hand don't like Glocks. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:40:28 PM EDT
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Eh, sorta. The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System. I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks. Eh, sorta. The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System. I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock. No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:02 PM EDT
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Ya know what would be very interesting? If someone or a group of guys on this board acquired duty size Glocks/XDs or XDMs/and M&Ps and put them through the same torture test. Folks that know far more about it than me could design the parameters, and then we could see if there is an actual difference in the ability to perform under normal and extreme circumstances and if any has fewer reliability or durability issues than another.
I'm willing to bet that XDs/XDMs will perform at least as well as both Glock and Smith and Wesson. Old Painless is the only one I know of on this board who has done any sort of objective testing. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:07 PM EDT
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Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns. Meh, I owned a 1911 for about a year and I wound up selling it in favor for a Glock |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:12 PM EDT
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How about splitting the difference and get a Beretta PX4 Storm in one of it's three shapes and sizes........
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:31 PM EDT
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With thousands and thousands of rounds downrange, my XD has never had a failure of any kind. Hard to really bitch about that. Plus, I consider the grip safety a bonus. I can holster my gun without depressing it, which means even if the trigger snags, I won't end up with Glock leg. Plus, their nickname is grenade. 
you do realize XD's have grenaded as well right ? almost every polymer pistol have blown up try doing a search you will be surprised I was. Even my beloved USP's have blown up too 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:42:24 PM EDT
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backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do. And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made ETA to make more sense lol |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:43:28 PM EDT
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And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made Quote HistoryQuoted:
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backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do. And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made I wouldnt buy a US made Glock |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:04 PM EDT
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They were a LOT cheaper when they were called the HS2000. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For awhile they were slightly cheaper. They were a LOT cheaper when they were called the HS2000. $299 was the max price....anywhere....until they were molded with Springfield on the side....that cost an additional $100... To get it to say XD (eXtreme Duty) that launched the production cost to $500....of course lots of advertising accompanied that cost... |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:06 PM EDT
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backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do. And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made I wouldnt buy a US made Glock Why not? If you don't mind the asking |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:16 PM EDT
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I agree OP. The HS2000 is ugly cheap looking imported garbage. Looks like something a gangbanger would carry.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made ETA to make more sense lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do. And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made ETA to make more sense lol |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:08 PM EDT
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It's the finest pistol the Croatian arms industry has ever produced. The HS2000 . . . er, I mean the Springfield Armory XD is an American classic!
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:26 PM EDT
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I've got over a 1,000 rounds through my XD 45. It is accurate, 100% reliable, easy to shoot, fits my hand, and one of the best pistols I have ever owned. It is wasn't huge, I'd carry it instead of my Beretta. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I fired my new XD.45 about 50 times and concluded I had just been fucked. What a second rate piece of shit. I've got over a 1,000 rounds through my XD 45. It is accurate, 100% reliable, easy to shoot, fits my hand, and one of the best pistols I have ever owned. It is wasn't huge, I'd carry it instead of my Beretta. I am just a little guy and I can still manage to carry it daily. 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:47:20 PM EDT
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I've had my XD for, probably 6 or 7 years now. got it from a guy who owned it for less then a month, needed to make a truck payment, $350 with about 100 rounds of defensive ammo. good deal.
Ive shot tons threw it and its never, ever had a single jam or failure of any kind except ONE failure to lock on empty using tula ammo. Its been a good gun. I've always preferred something with a hammer, but I really can't complain about this pistol. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:47:59 PM EDT
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That's true. But what he said was incorrect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers, S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything. Yes they do. And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made ETA to make more sense lol I agree on your point |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:49:31 PM EDT
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Duty pistol is xd 45 tactical, off duty is glock 19 or p229 dak. Just got fnx 45 tactical which is > all of them.... get every pistol Now this guy gets it 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:50:38 PM EDT
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If you're buying that type of gun based on looks, then you're a fucktard. Yeeep |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks. Eh, sorta. The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System. I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock. No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:44 PM EDT
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Had the G23 (.40cal).
Accurate, reliable...uncomfortable to shoot after a few hundred rounds, crap trigger. Traded for XD (.40cal) Less accurate that the Glock, reliable, way more comfortable to shoot for long periods of time, better trigger than the Glock. Traded for Mauser M2 (.40cal). Superior than either above in every way. Brother still has the HS2000....after 13 years the only failure was the rear sight falling out....it has seen a lot of rounds o they do hold up. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:55 PM EDT
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I bought mine because I liked it and the grip angle and size were a better match than the Glock. I haven't fired a Gen 4 Glock in 45ACP but it feels better in my hand than the previous generations.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:52:43 PM EDT
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Grip safety makes them feel safer. I traded my XD(m) for a Glock 20. This is my safety <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/image_zps63c41c07.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/image_zps63c41c07.jpg</a> It was a movie, and such stupidity should not be taught or copied in REAL LIFE by anybody. I don't care how bad assed somebody might think themselves to be. You gonna be okay there Margaret or do we need to explain humor to you 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:53:34 PM EDT
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I did my best to convince a good friend to buy something other than an XD (I was pushing for an M&P) but he had his heart set on it, so I gave up. He likes it and shoots it fairly well, so... whatever.
I'm more of a Glock/M&P/HK/FN guy though
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:54:36 PM EDT
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I got one in a deal and didn't expect much of it. I was pleasantly surprised. Points similar to a 1911, utterly reliable.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:54:53 PM EDT
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Grip safety makes them feel safer. I traded my XD(m) for a Glock 20. This is my safety <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/image_zps63c41c07.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/image_zps63c41c07.jpg</a> It was a movie, and such stupidity should not be taught or copied in REAL LIFE by anybody. I don't care how bad assed somebody might think themselves to be. You gonna be okay there Margaret or do we need to explain humor to you http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i37/2/11/2/frabz-Shut-the-hell-up-And-choke-yourself-bd46ab.jpg Do we need to get the doll so you can show us where the bad man touched you? |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:54:55 PM EDT
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Just take a look at the "motivational poster thread" stickied in the 1911 forum if you have any doubts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really Beats the hell out of a "show us your Glocks" picture thread!
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:57:03 PM EDT
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Eh, sorta. The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System. I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks. Eh, sorta. The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System. I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock. The drop safety disengages by pulling the trigger. The grip safety is separate. So the XD's have the same safeties (drop and trigger) as a Glock, with the addition of the grip safety. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:57:41 PM EDT
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I dig my XD. Some reason I shoot pretty well with it. Its kind of an all purpose tool the way I shoot it.
Never tried a Glock for any significant time. I have a M&P but I can't shoot if for shit. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:57:54 PM EDT
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I fired my new XD.45 about 50 times and concluded I had just been fucked. What a second rate piece of shit. My story also. I have a Shield that I'm somewhat satisfied with but soon as Glock builds one, it's history. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:58:18 PM EDT
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Because they don't feel like a brick. ETA: I own an XDm, not an XD. This right here. I feel like I'm holding a 2x4 with a Glock. Meanwhile the XDm/S series feels fantastic. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:58:49 PM EDT
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I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000.
I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy. It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable. I simply don't understand the hate? |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 3:58:52 PM EDT
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F'N 13'ers!
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:00:55 PM EDT
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I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000. I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy. It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable. I simply don't understand the hate? I don't either. I like the XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps pretty much equally. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:02:13 PM EDT
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This is clearly the only answer....
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:04:39 PM EDT
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This is clearly the only answer.... https://media.server.theshootingwarehouse.com/large/38991.jpg It can fire with the magazine removed though 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:04:49 PM EDT
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I don't like them at all, but some people just like the way the grip feels I suppose. Those people buy only on how it "feels" most times too. They don't consider things like reliability, aftermarket support and overall satisfaction for what it was meant to do. There is also something else most don't consider and something I feel is one of the biggest factors in considering a fighting handgun....balance. The entire XD line feels poorly balanced and for me that makes them less shootable. Overall they suck IMO I heard somebody here call them a "Croatian Hi-Point" It kind of describes them pretty well. I never thought they were that great and was a little odd that when they came to the US as the HS 2000 the gun writers said they were MEH. Then SA buys them and runs a huge ad campaign and they are the tits of the new gun world. Pass. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000. I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy. It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable. I simply don't understand the hate? |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is clearly the only answer.... https://media.server.theshootingwarehouse.com/large/38991.jpg I consider mine an excellent weapon.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:05:45 PM EDT
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I like and own both, hard for me to find a gun I don't like, its a curse I guess.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:08:22 PM EDT
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Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys. That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys. Really Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns. Meh, I owned a 1911 for about a year and I wound up selling it in favor for a Glock |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:09:32 PM EDT
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I like mine.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:09:44 PM EDT
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I dig my XD. Some reason I shoot pretty well with it. Its kind of an all purpose tool the way I shoot it. http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u601/SLRrifleworks/DSC_0354_zps2074cfd9.jpg Never tried a Glock for any significant time. I have a M&P but I can't shoot if for shit. So how is that Insight X2 light/laser unit working out for you? I had one that I returned for a refund three days after I bought it. Damn thing sucked brand new batteries dead in about three minutes. Maybe mine was just defective, but would like to hear your experience. (Yes, mine was LED, not Xenon). |
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