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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:48:56 AM EDT
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5"x22" is awful small. That wouldn't hold but maybe 2 rifles.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:49:35 AM EDT
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Um, " = inches. ' is feet. ...unless you're building a 5 inch by 22 inch gun room.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:50:44 AM EDT
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OP must have a nice collection of SBRs
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:10 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:57 AM EDT
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I know a block guy if you need one....he would probably cut a fellow member a deal too.
Edit: 8" block right now is like $1.25 each, very cheap material for building with. Grouting the cells wouldn't be required structurally, but to keep people from smashing through the wall with a sledge it would be almost mandatory. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:57 AM EDT
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You do mean in ft. not inches right?
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:52:14 AM EDT
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Make it bigger.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:53:33 AM EDT
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Make it bigger. That's what she said....... 
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:16 AM EDT
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Might want to measure twice before cutting.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:35 AM EDT
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It's a dollhouse gunroom.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:38 AM EDT
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OP must have a nice collection of SBRs 
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:57:15 AM EDT
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5"x22" is awful small. That wouldn't hold but maybe 2 rifles. Lol, yea my bad 5'x22' 
Yes 5" would have been pretty small, perhaps a very small exotic ammo collection |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:58:03 AM EDT
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How did you mistake the '' for the ' that many times, OP?
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:00:00 AM EDT
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How did you mistake the '' for the ' that many times, OP? Multitasking at its worst, talking to family, the real estate broker, watching tv and posting this. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:02:46 AM EDT
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How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building?
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:05:01 AM EDT
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The clear space in the room should be wider than the longest gun that will ever go in there. Eight feet allows enough for a rack along each wall and 90% of the best muzzle loaders. A couple of benches will be needed for cleaning or other work.
A rack of cubby holes for hand guns would be cool, too. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:05:27 AM EDT
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How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building? What is this, an arms room for ants!?!? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:07:11 AM EDT
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I know a block guy if you need one....he would probably cut a fellow member a deal too.
Edit: 8" block right now is like $1.25 each, very cheap material for building with. Grouting the cells wouldn't be required structurally, but to keep people from smashing through the wall with a sledge it would be almost mandatory. Seems like a pretty good idea, I may take you up on that. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:13:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's looks like I'm going to be purchasing a new house soon and I'd like to build a gun room in the basement. orignally I was thinking about building a Cinderblock/concrete/rebar room in the corner something like 6'x6'. My father-in-law suggested (he's a gun guy also) just shortening the basement by 6' and making the room the width of the basement as it would look less obvious(with the door hidden) than a room in a corner. I like his idea and realistically where I live the odds of someone robbing my home are slim and I'm well insured...so I don't know if cinderblock/concrete/rebar is necessary...especially if it's hidden. My materials budget is about $3,000 tops (not including drywall, normal studs electrical and ventilation). I'd like to come in under that budget if possible. Any input would be much appreciated and links to material ideas.  Keep a few compliant guns set out for show.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:13:56 AM EDT
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If you are sure you want a secret room make it bigger than you think you will need. Maybe later you might decide you want to store some valuables in there, make a hidden cache of emergency food and supplies, construct a private fetish dungeon, or stash away whatever sized container of soda your state will ban next. Plan ahead now instead of coming back and redoing it in the future.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:21:05 AM EDT
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If you are sure you want a secret room make it bigger than you think you will need. Maybe later you might decide you want to store some valuables in there, make a hidden cache of emergency food and supplies, construct a private fetish dungeon, or stash away whatever sized container of soda your state will ban next. Plan ahead now instead of coming back and redoing it in the future. It will be easier to make it big in the basement too since there isn't really a way to know the true size of the room by comparing to adjacent room sizes. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:36:08 AM EDT
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no basement windows on the side you plan it on I hope. And make sure whatever entrance it has is solid when closed. that way it can double as a panic room if need be
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:00:14 AM EDT
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plate steel and gun turrets...
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:01:07 AM EDT
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plate steel and gun turrets... Yes, line it with AR500 steel |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:14:44 AM EDT
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I claimed a weird shaped bonus room in my house. It's long and narrow like you are going to end up with. I put a work/reloading bench along one wall and put some shelving on the other wall. Not the best layout, but there is plenty of room for my gun stuff in there.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:16:55 AM EDT
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How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:17:10 AM EDT
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I would consider making it a little wider.
By the time you put rack or shelves on the sides you wont have much space to get stuff or walk. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:23:35 AM EDT
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I would consider making it a little wider. By the time you put rack or shelves on the sides you wont have much space to get stuff or walk. Yep. 24" bench/shelf on each side plus at least 3ft open in middle. I'd go 10' minimum. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:23:57 AM EDT
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I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.
  I also built a solid oak reloading bench:  |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:25:21 AM EDT
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Um, " = inches. ' is feet. ...unless you're building a 5 inch by 22 inch gun room. Yep! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:30:40 AM EDT
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I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg tell us about that room door. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:39:21 AM EDT
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How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building? It needs to be.... Atleast 3 times as big! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: tell us about that room door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg tell us about that room door. Custom Sturdy Safe Vault Door - http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door  |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:00:48 AM EDT
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You will inevitably want it larger than 5x22, go to 6 or 9'.
Do the grouted cinder block wall then grab one of these doors: http://www.pentagonsafes.com/vault-doors.html i really want one of the "Tankhead blast doors" you fill them with concrete after install.  
edit:link and pictures |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:12:41 AM EDT
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Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits. Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance. Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:17:09 AM EDT
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Unless you have specifically listed your guns and scheduled them with your insurer you may not be covered as well as you think! I agree the 6' dimension is a little tight. I have a space in my basement like that and I looked at doing what you are considering for a while and gave up. Make a room you can go into and be comfortable in. I must be getting claustrophobic because I don't really enjoy being in the limited space I have for my room when the door is closed. Bigger is better IMO.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:24:45 AM EDT
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I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:28:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits. Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance. Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits. Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance. Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns. Quoted: I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. I also built a solid oak reloading bench: |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:34:01 AM EDT
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If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22' Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22' Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up. Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall. It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:48:57 AM EDT
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I installed a 600lb Browning vault door that looks like a 6 panel colonial door as the entrance to my gun room, Stealth is always good. I mounted the front half of a medico hs dead bolt to the outside of the door as a decoy, I figure thieves will waste time trying to crack it.
Think about a total layered security package for your home, good entrance doors with good locks & reinforced frames. Solid locked steel framed fire door as entrance to basement, bars on the basement windows, everything alarmed & monitored. The best gun safe you can afford in the vault room for your really good stuff & don't forget about the ceiling of your vault room! make a crooks job as hard & long as possible. Good luck. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:52:29 AM EDT
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I am getting ready to do the same thing in my basement. When I get done all 4 walls will be cinderblock and the ceiling will be 3 layers of concrete board screwed to the floor joists. The lights and outlets are already there. I will need to get a dehumidifier. I have not decided on a door yet, but I think to cut down cost I am going to use a steel entry door with a steel jam. I plan on filling the door with concrete, welding in the hinges, and put 3 deadbolts on it. My room should be 10' x 12' when completed.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:04:47 AM EDT
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I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg Yea that's sweet. What did you do for the walls? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:13:57 AM EDT
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The guy I contracted to install the security system for our office builds bank vaults too. He said he has built private safe rooms with a layer of expanded metal against plywood against filled cinder block that he says can be harder to breach than some bank vault walls. The idea is that whatever method you use to break through gets fouled by one or more of the layers. There are several variations (like plywood + exp metal + plywood between 6" solid block walls, etc.). Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall. It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22' Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up. Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall. It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete. Layers of material that require different tool to breach. The pros can get in, but the crow bar & sledge hammer guys will give up tired. Good point on the floor rating, guess 1/2 steel plates are out.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:16:58 AM EDT
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uh.....you may want to cut the floor and put in a footing....that block wall will add significant weight/stress to a small area of a 3.5" slab.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL? Two part polymer coating over a BFL -  |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 7:23:42 AM EDT
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Custom Sturdy Safe Vault Door - http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130328_123708_zps21269773.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted. Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'. Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg I also built a solid oak reloading bench: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg tell us about that room door. Custom Sturdy Safe Vault Door - http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130328_123708_zps21269773.jpg how did you do the ceiling? Is it block or just the floor above? |
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