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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:54:11 PM EDT
Drawing board to in the air within 2 years is pretty impressive these days ,it might steal some Super Taco sales for those few countries with A-37s and Broncos left but it'll surely never see US service http://www.businessinsider.com/cessnas-scorpion-jet-makes-first-flight-2013-12 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:55:37 PM EDT
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I'd buy that for a dollar.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:57:39 PM EDT
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I told them not to wash that Hornet in hot water.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:58:38 PM EDT
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Did the Iranians design it?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:58:46 PM EDT
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I told them not to wash that Hornet in hot water.  chortle
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:58:59 PM EDT
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I hope they sell a couple hundred a year
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:59:06 PM EDT
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I told them not to wash that Hornet in hot water. ROFL |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:01:04 PM EDT
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How much?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:03:53 PM EDT
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:10:46 PM EDT
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It's a cute little thing ain't it
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:11:42 PM EDT
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? dunno, but another article said $3000/hr to operate. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:13:24 PM EDT
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A jet that can only do 450 knots and haul 3000 lbs of stores?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:15:40 PM EDT
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:27:31 PM EDT
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Cute, does it shoot?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:30:50 PM EDT
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3000 pounds per hour? FTS. No wonder it only has capacity for that in stores. 10 times the thirst of a Tucano. Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. I agree with you, but I see this as targeting current/former A-37 operators, and for that, it's not bad. Some of these little countries have nothing bigger, and a Super Tucano, while a nice bird, just can't run down smugglers very well. This will run down anything shy of a Bizjet. It can handle some of the Air Policing roles that a Tucano just cannot. I'm not sure it'll sell, and I rather think it won't (gonna be too much $$), but I can see the market. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:34:36 PM EDT
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3000 pounds per hour? FTS. No wonder it only has capacity for that in stores. 10 times the thirst of a Tucano. Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. It has a 6,000lb fuel capacity, 6,200lbs of ordnance and expected 5 hour endurance. It is meant for operations in a low-threat environment, not going head-to-head with the Soviet Air Forces. The Scorpion demonstrator is intended to whet the U.S. Air Force's appetite with the promise of a low procurement and operating cost. The pitch is for this aircraft, which is optimized for 5-hr. endurance with onboard intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) collectors and weapons, to handle the Air Force's low-end missions such as U.S.-based interdiction, quick-reaction natural disaster support and air sovereignty patrols. The goal is to field an aircraft capable of operating for less than $3,000 per flying hour; the company declined to cite a target unit cost. By contrast, the Pentagon in June cited the cost per flying hour of the F-16, which currently performs many of these missions, as $24,899 http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_09_16_2013_p22-615375.xml&p=1 |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:41:29 PM EDT
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Primarily screams "trainer" to me.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:43:51 PM EDT
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Primarily screams "trainer" to me. Or warplane in the turd world |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:44:27 PM EDT
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Did the Iranians design it? Not sure Cessna and Iraqis work together |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:44:52 PM EDT
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A jet that can only do 450 knots and haul 3000 lbs of stores? 450 knots isn't really something to make fun of |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:48:31 PM EDT
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3000 pounds per hour? FTS. No wonder it only has capacity for that in stores. 10 times the thirst of a Tucano. Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. I don't know where you are getting the 3000lbs of fuel burned per hour. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:49:00 PM EDT
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I told them not to wash that Hornet in hot water. 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:50:41 PM EDT
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450 knots isn't really something to make fun of Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A jet that can only do 450 knots and haul 3000 lbs of stores? 450 knots isn't really something to make fun of It's faster than an A-10 AND has two pilots. I wonder how it works in a hot/high environment. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:51:28 PM EDT
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I don't know where you are getting the 3000lbs of fuel burned per hour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VLCJ? Yawn. Sure, it has good top end and decent endurance, for a jet. But how much jet juice does it drink an hour? "...low operating cost, far less than $3,000 per flying hour". http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/asd_09_24_2013_p01-02-619506.xml Folks, small turbine engines, be they high bypass or not, are better at making noise than thrust. And better at making waste heat than thrust. But sure, you have the 450 kt top end. It will suck at CAS because it cannot stay on station or deliver payload. It will suck in combat because it is a bright, hot light no countermeasure could cover. I don't know where you are getting the 3000lbs of fuel burned per hour. $3000/hr = 3000lbs/hr 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:54:04 PM EDT
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Looks like the plane from Hot Shots. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:18:44 PM EDT
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Drawing board to in the air within 2 years is pretty impressive these days ,it might steal some Super Taco sales for those few countries with A-37s and Broncos left but it'll surely never see US service http://www.businessinsider.com/cessnas-scorpion-jet-makes-first-flight-2013-12 http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52aa3bbe6da8111018e1085a-959-479/scorpion-first-flight-1.jpg pffft... From Wiki: "The F-14 first flew on 21 December 1970, just 22 months after Grumman was awarded the contract," They should be able to do complete a less complicated aircraft faster these days with todays knowledge, computers, CAD, 6-axis CNC machines, etc. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:22:01 PM EDT
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pffft... From Wiki: "The F-14 first flew on 21 December 1970, just 22 months after Grumman was awarded the contract," They should be able to do complete a less complicated aircraft faster these days with todays knowledge, computers, CAD, 6-axis CNC machines, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drawing board to in the air within 2 years is pretty impressive these days ,it might steal some Super Taco sales for those few countries with A-37s and Broncos left but it'll surely never see US service http://www.businessinsider.com/cessnas-scorpion-jet-makes-first-flight-2013-12 http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52aa3bbe6da8111018e1085a-959-479/scorpion-first-flight-1.jpg pffft... From Wiki: "The F-14 first flew on 21 December 1970, just 22 months after Grumman was awarded the contract," They should be able to do complete a less complicated aircraft faster these days with todays knowledge, computers, CAD, 6-axis CNC machines, etc. Yeah, but it didn't have to have anti-sattelite capability or STOVL. Or a laser.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:23:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they sell a couple hundred a year |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $3000/hr = 3000lbs/hr Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $3000/hr = 3000lbs/hr I'm guessing it's closer to 300 or 400 gallons an hour, but then again, I know squat about aircraft except they go in the sky.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:24:51 PM EDT
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Cheaper than these?:
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:33:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou're not gonna get much change back from $30 million for that Hawk. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A jet that can only do 450 knots and haul 3000 lbs of stores? It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. She's fast enough for you, old man. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:56:47 PM EDT
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A jet that can only do 450 knots and haul 3000 lbs of stores? Reading is for faggots. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 4:58:58 PM EDT
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Fuel Math
JP8 Current price is $3.73 a gallon $3,000 fuel equals 3000lbs (  )
JP8 is 6.7lbs a gallon. $3000 divided by 6.7lbs equals 447.76 gallons. 447.76 gallons times $3.73 equals $1670.14 |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:01:58 PM EDT
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Looks like the plane from Hot Shots.
Well... I guess it DOES have two seats... 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:02:28 PM EDT
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Aircraft Length 43 ft 6 in
Wingspan 47 ft 4 in Height 14 ft 0 in Standard Empty Weight 11,800 lbs Max Takeoff Weight 21,250 lbs Max Internal Fuel Load 6,000 lbs Max Internal Payload Bay 3,000 lbs Thrust ~8,000 lbs Max Speed 450 KTAS Service Ceiling 45,000 ft Ferry Range 2,400 NM http://www.scorpionjet.com/ |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:05:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:06:57 PM EDT
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I always thought the Folland Gnat was cool just for how tiny it was.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:08:44 PM EDT
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Aircraft Length 43 ft 6 in Wingspan 47 ft 4 in Height 14 ft 0 in Standard Empty Weight 11,800 lbs Max Takeoff Weight 21,250 lbs Max Internal Fuel Load 6,000 lbs Max Internal Payload Bay 3,000 lbs Thrust ~8,000 lbs Max Speed 450 KTAS Service Ceiling 45,000 ft Ferry Range 2,400 NM http://www.scorpionjet.com/ It seems like a nifty little jet. I wonder what the final unit cost will be. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:10:53 PM EDT
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Mission?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:13:06 PM EDT
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Mission? Reading is for faggots. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:13:32 PM EDT
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I always thought the Folland Gnat was cool just for how tiny it was. The Indians had fair success with them as a fighter and ground attack plane, they even developed a single place version of it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:19:40 PM EDT
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hey its an updated twin engine twin tail Tempco Pinto jet.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:20:40 PM EDT
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Fuel Math JP8 Current price is $3.73 a gallon $3,000 fuel equals 3000lbs ( )
JP8 is 6.7lbs a gallon. $3000 divided by 6.7lbs equals 447.76 gallons. 447.76 gallons times $3.73 equals $1670.14 I get that. But the article says "far less than $3000 per flying hour" with 5 hours endurance. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:20:54 PM EDT
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It seems like a nifty little jet. I wonder what the final unit cost will be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aircraft Length 43 ft 6 in Wingspan 47 ft 4 in Height 14 ft 0 in Standard Empty Weight 11,800 lbs Max Takeoff Weight 21,250 lbs Max Internal Fuel Load 6,000 lbs Max Internal Payload Bay 3,000 lbs Thrust ~8,000 lbs Max Speed 450 KTAS Service Ceiling 45,000 ft Ferry Range 2,400 NM http://www.scorpionjet.com/ It seems like a nifty little jet. I wonder what the final unit cost will be. "The plane was built for a world of tight defense budgets, the company has said. It will cost less than $20 million to buy and less than $3,000 an hour to operate." From Military.com news |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:21:47 PM EDT
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The Indians had fair success with them as a fighter and ground attack plane, they even developed a single place version of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought the Folland Gnat was cool just for how tiny it was. The Indians had fair success with them as a fighter and ground attack plane, they even developed a single place version of it. Little tiny jets that operate in the high subsonic regime are hard to hit with manually aimed weapons. Amazingly, this thing is twice the size of a Gnat. Significantly bigger than an A-37, also. It's closer to a Skyhawk, though bigger and lighter. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:22:08 PM EDT
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"The plane was built for a world of tight defense budgets, the company has said. It will cost less than $20 million to buy and less than $3,000 an hour to operate." From Military.com news Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aircraft Length 43 ft 6 in Wingspan 47 ft 4 in Height 14 ft 0 in Standard Empty Weight 11,800 lbs Max Takeoff Weight 21,250 lbs Max Internal Fuel Load 6,000 lbs Max Internal Payload Bay 3,000 lbs Thrust ~8,000 lbs Max Speed 450 KTAS Service Ceiling 45,000 ft Ferry Range 2,400 NM http://www.scorpionjet.com/ It seems like a nifty little jet. I wonder what the final unit cost will be. "The plane was built for a world of tight defense budgets, the company has said. It will cost less than $20 million to buy and less than $3,000 an hour to operate." From Military.com news That's the sales pitch. What the final pricetag is remains to be seen. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 5:26:41 PM EDT
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The Indians had fair success with them as a fighter and ground attack plane, they even developed a single place version of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought the Folland Gnat was cool just for how tiny it was. The Indians had fair success with them as a fighter and ground attack plane, they even developed a single place version of it. I can imagine they'd be pretty hard to see considering how small they are. According to Wiki the same guy who designed the Gnat, Teddy Petter, designed the Lysander, Canberra and Lightning. Pretty impressive range of aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 6:20:53 PM EDT
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I told them not to wash that Hornet in hot water. *snort* |
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