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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:01:52 PM EDT
Are we doomed ? The good go bad and the bad guys go good
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:02:12 PM EDT
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Fuck them both.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:05:07 PM EDT
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Boner was good at one time? Must have been between crying sessions and rolling over for Barrack.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:06:27 PM EDT
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How about a link?
I agree though. End the ethanol requirement and stop giving taxpayer money to that industry. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:07:50 PM EDT
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Sometimes liars speak the truth.
It doesn't mean you start trusting them again. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:08:20 PM EDT
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Feinstein is against ethanol What the fuck is going on 
She can still fuck off |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:10:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Feinstein is against ethanol What the fuck is going on She can still fuck off She's probably invested in one of them "revolutionary" biofuel technologies that needs those ethanol subsidies. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:14:37 PM EDT
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Thanks for the link. Why did it take them so long to understand this? It never should have been implemented.
PS, cut the EPA budget about 90% so maybe they will quit making stupid rules. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:17:07 PM EDT
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At this point in time, I don't care who the fuck introduces the bill. Even if it's shitpig herself.
But holy fucking cow, Ethanol fucks -everyone- in the United States. Democrat, Republic, Libertarian. The EPA also needs restrained. And then maybe the US economy will grow. But this is a huge step in the right direction. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:39:41 PM EDT
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The political landscape in this country has been "fucked" for a long time, and there is no hope in sight. We can only prepare for the inevitable crash
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:43:27 PM EDT
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Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:54:02 PM EDT
[#12]
corn fuel sucks.....it needs to go away
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:56:04 PM EDT
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The world must be ending. I actually agree with the wicked witch of the west coast.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:57:10 PM EDT
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What a coincidence - I'm against Boehner, Feinstein and ethanol!!!
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Posted: 12/12/2013 12:57:18 PM EDT
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:00:32 PM EDT
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. Ethanol is one of the worst and most inefficient ideas ever. Costs more to make than gas, lower energy content than gas, drives up food prices and ruins small engines. It needs to go away. The only people who like it are corn farmers. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:07:01 PM EDT
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Feinstein must have gotten out of the corn biz; now she's against ethanol.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:09:16 PM EDT
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There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Feinstein must have gotten out of the corn biz; now she's against ethanol. I don't think a lot of corn is grown in Frisco. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:10:39 PM EDT
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Feinstein must have gotten out of the corn biz; now she's against ethanol. This is the most likely answer. Politics driven by profit is/has been the name of the game. Sadly 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:12:53 PM EDT
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Fuck them both all. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:13:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:13:24 PM EDT
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This is a day I never thought I'd see, I actually agree with Feinswine about something.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:14:51 PM EDT
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Feinstein against ethanol...I...I...I feel dirty. I agree with something Feinstein has to say...I'm going t go lay down.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:15:28 PM EDT
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This is a day I never thought I'd see, I actually agree with Feinswine about something. Don't get excited. They'll just replace ethanol with something even worse. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Feinstein must have gotten out of the corn biz; now she's against ethanol. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:16:52 PM EDT
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. Ermm..incorrect. ...14 billion gallons of ethanol mandate is welfare for farmers disguised as a false industry. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:18:51 PM EDT
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There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:21:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Boner's lost his ability to surprise me, but the Wicked Witch of the West saying something that makes sense?
Fuck… I got nuthin. 
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ermm..incorrect. ...14 billion gallons of ethanol mandate is welfare for farmers disguised as a false industry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. Ermm..incorrect. ...14 billion gallons of ethanol mandate is welfare for farmers disguised as a false industry. They don't give a shit about farmers. It's for "air quality". |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:25:48 PM EDT
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They don't give a shit about farmers. It's for "air quality". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. Ermm..incorrect. ...14 billion gallons of ethanol mandate is welfare for farmers disguised as a false industry. They don't give a shit about farmers. It's for "air quality". Bullshit the agriculture lobby had a ton to do with the EPA ethanol mandate. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:26:57 PM EDT
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I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. Let the free market decide how much food should cost. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:27:14 PM EDT
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Ethanol is one of the worst and most inefficient ideas ever. Costs more to make than gas, lower energy content than gas, drives up food prices and ruins small engines. It needs to go away. The only people who like it are corn farmers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. Ethanol is one of the worst and most inefficient ideas ever. Costs more to make than gas, lower energy content than gas, drives up food prices and ruins small engines. It needs to go away. The only people who like it are corn farmers. And it takes a hell of a lot of water to make it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:27:34 PM EDT
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I don't care who does it. E15 needs to be killed NOW.
I am not going to replace my vehicles with new ecoshitboxes and go into debt. E15 would completely destroy the engines. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:28:17 PM EDT
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. It fucks everyone that isn't growing corn. The corn growers push for it anyway. They push to fuck me, and they shouldn't be at all surprised when I push to fuck them back. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:29:30 PM EDT
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It fucks everyone that isn't growing corn. The corn growers push for it anyway. They push to fuck me, and they shouldn't be at all surprised when I push to fuck them back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. It fucks everyone that isn't growing corn. The corn growers push for it anyway. They push to fuck me, and they shouldn't be at all surprised when I push to fuck them back. Yep. My much-loved do-everything truck is a 1998 Toyota. E15 would completely fuck up the simple, reliable V6 in it and kill it. So fuck the corn subsidy suckers that want it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It fucks everyone that isn't growing corn. The corn growers push for it anyway. They push to fuck me, and they shouldn't be at all surprised when I push to fuck them back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good. Ethanol does not fuck everyone. It fucks everyone that isn't growing corn. The corn growers push for it anyway. They push to fuck me, and they shouldn't be at all surprised when I push to fuck them back. I don't grow corn, but I do grow malt barley. All the small grains are a little fungible, the price of barley got drug up with the corn. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:36:16 PM EDT
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Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:42:15 PM EDT
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Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Most people are just too selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:47:23 PM EDT
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I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. Dude I'm in the cattle business. I grow some grain but mostly just do cattle and hay. It sky rocketed my feed costs and my hay costs. Given I sold barn clean out rounds for $65 a pop which made me happy but I know it costs me more in the long run. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:50:50 PM EDT
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The cops are against the robbers, The laws are against the cops
Justice is against the system, And some people are blowing their tops The horse is against the automobile, The bus is against the train The train is against the jumbo jet, And I’m against fishing in the rain |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people are just to selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Most people are just to selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. Cmon. Most farmers have a generational investment. They own land, machinery, livestock, etc. That is hardly comparable to a check for sitting in the hood watching Oprah. Farmers never got the subsidy, the blenders did. And that expired. No one gets a fucking ethanol subsidy. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude I'm in the cattle business. I grow some grain but mostly just do cattle and hay. It sky rocketed my feed costs and my hay costs. Given I sold barn clean out rounds for $65 a pop which made me happy but I know it costs me more in the long run. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is debate on whether we actually get more energy than is used to make ethanol. It's a big industry besides the farmers. It did drive up commodity prices, which I liked, cause I actually got paid for my crops for awhile. I think that's over already. Booo hooo, find an industry you get paid for if you can't make a buck on crops... don't legislate yourself a mandated industry. You are no better than the welfare leaches with that thinking. I actually don't give a fuck about crops or anything else these days. I ain't whining. You might be if you actually ever went hungry though. Dude I'm in the cattle business. I grow some grain but mostly just do cattle and hay. It sky rocketed my feed costs and my hay costs. Given I sold barn clean out rounds for $65 a pop which made me happy but I know it costs me more in the long run. I know, we grow hay and cattle. It helped hay and hurt the hell out of cattle. It's no different than Obamacare, none of us have any control over this shit. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:54:44 PM EDT
[#45]
The center cannot hold.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:57:17 PM EDT
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I think our two party system should be Socialists (democraps) versus the Good Guys (Tea Party). The republicans can FOAD, they're just RINO's anyway.
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:57:59 PM EDT
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Cmon. Most farmers have a generational investment. They own land, machinery, livestock, etc. That is hardly comparable to a check for sitting in the hood watching Oprah. Farmers never got the subsidy, the blenders did. And that expired. No one gets a fucking ethanol subsidy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Most people are just to selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. Cmon. Most farmers have a generational investment. They own land, machinery, livestock, etc. That is hardly comparable to a check for sitting in the hood watching Oprah. Farmers never got the subsidy, the blenders did. And that expired. No one gets a fucking ethanol subsidy. Did I ever say anything about a subsidy? I said mandate. Ethanol is mandated to the tune of 12-14 billion gallons. Know what that creates? A false market. You know what an ethanol mandate is very similar to? A health care mandate...i.e. Obungo care. I'm sure tons of people would love it if they could legislate you must buy X amount of their product...you know what that is....it is legislated theft. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I ever say anything about a subsidy? I said mandate. Ethanol is mandated to the tune of 12-14 billion gallons. Know what that creates? A false market. You know what an ethanol mandate is very similar to? A health care mandate...i.e. Obungo care. i'm sure tons of people would love it if they could legislate you must buy X amount of my product...you know what that is....it is legislated theft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Most people are just to selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. Cmon. Most farmers have a generational investment. They own land, machinery, livestock, etc. That is hardly comparable to a check for sitting in the hood watching Oprah. Farmers never got the subsidy, the blenders did. And that expired. No one gets a fucking ethanol subsidy. Did I ever say anything about a subsidy? I said mandate. Ethanol is mandated to the tune of 12-14 billion gallons. Know what that creates? A false market. You know what an ethanol mandate is very similar to? A health care mandate...i.e. Obungo care. i'm sure tons of people would love it if they could legislate you must buy X amount of my product...you know what that is....it is legislated theft. Hard to argue with that. But it's the .gov, not farmers doing it. It's the same as building contractors reaping the benefits of rebates for insulation and energy efficient windows, no? |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:04:01 PM EDT
[#49]
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Feinstein must have gotten out of the corn biz; now she's against ethanol. Nobody in the corn lobby greased her palms (yeeech  ), so now ethanol is bad for us.
Frankly, I'll fist-fuck Diane in public on new years day for all to see if that miserable cunt gets rid of or lowers the amount of ethanol in gasoline. no shit |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:06:33 PM EDT
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Did I ever say anything about a subsidy? I said mandate. Ethanol is mandated to the tune of 12-14 billion gallons. Know what that creates? A false market. You know what an ethanol mandate is very similar to? A health care mandate...i.e. Obungo care. I'm sure tons of people would love it if they could legislate you must buy X amount of their product...you know what that is....it is legislated theft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every legislative move fucksyein makes is a shakedown. She will suddenly change her position when they come up with her payoff. Ethanol is one of the few remaining policy areas where the divide truly is regional and not ideological. Midwest congressmen all love ethanol, Republican OR Democrat. More urban based politicians see it as straight up subsidies for rural folks - the whole "Red states get more back from the Feds than Blue states" argument. But the importance of the Iowa caucuses means that EVERY presidential candidate will pe pro-ethanol, and the party's platforms reflect that. This is regional politics, not conservative vs. liberal. Most people are just to selfish or ignorant to understand welfare when they are the ones receiving it. I have lots of friends that farm due to my love of bird hunting. It is amazing to listen to them cuss Obungo care but at the same time talk about putting as much land as they physically can in corn. They will cuss the FSA the loudest, yet the very industry that supports them is part of the FSA. Cmon. Most farmers have a generational investment. They own land, machinery, livestock, etc. That is hardly comparable to a check for sitting in the hood watching Oprah. Farmers never got the subsidy, the blenders did. And that expired. No one gets a fucking ethanol subsidy. Did I ever say anything about a subsidy? I said mandate. Ethanol is mandated to the tune of 12-14 billion gallons. Know what that creates? A false market. You know what an ethanol mandate is very similar to? A health care mandate...i.e. Obungo care. I'm sure tons of people would love it if they could legislate you must buy X amount of their product...you know what that is....it is legislated theft. Most farmers will never admit they are part of the problems. |
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