Help Me Out with some Inconvenient Nelson Mandela Facts

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Help Me Out with some Inconvenient Nelson Mandela Facts

Posted: 12/11/2013 4:44:10 PM EDT

I got into a bit of a discussion with a liberal relative about Mandela's death earlier today. She believes that all the negative remarks going around about him are attributable to conservative slander and racism.

I looked online for some strictly factual history about the man and his activities, but all I can seem to find are liberal sources fellating him and conservative sources crucifying him. Can anyone point me to a good reference that won't be instantly dismissed as "right wing slander"?

Thanks.

Posted: 12/11/2013 4:45:47 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/11/2013 4:46:49 PM EDT

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Winnie Mandela necklace. Look it up.

Posted: 12/11/2013 4:47:51 PM EDT

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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1567396_MSNBC__Politics_Nation_host_says_Nelson_Mandela_not_a_Communist.html

Posted: 12/11/2013 4:51:19 PM EDT

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Winnie Mandela necklace. Look it up.

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Holy shit. What a brutal way to murder someone.

Posted: 12/11/2013 4:56:20 PM EDT

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I got into a bit of a discussion with a liberal relative about Mandela's death earlier today. She believes that all the negative remarks going around about him are attributable to conservative slander and racism.

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I looked online for some strictly factual history about the man and his activities, but all I can seem to find are liberal sources fellating him and conservative sources crucifying him. Can anyone point me to a good reference that won't be instantly dismissed as "right wing slander"?

Thanks.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

"... Nelson Mandela was not only a member of the then underground South African Communist Party, but was also a member of our Party’s Central Committee...." -- http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/12/06/statement-south-african-communist-party-nelson-mandela/

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:05:41 PM EDT

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I don't know about you all, but when I saw this today, it just was the final nail in the coffin.

Mendala funeral service

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:15:18 PM EDT

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I have quite a few South African friends. Both black and white. Mandela was not any of things that are being said about him. He was anything but a nice man wrongly imprisoned by white racists. There is a reason its called a Mandela necklace.

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:22:37 PM EDT

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I have quite a few South African friends. Both black and white. Mandela was not any of things that are being said about him. He was anything but a nice man wrongly imprisoned by white racists. There is a reason its called a Mandela necklace.

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Yup...and the "usual suspects" celebrating his life prove it even further.

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:23:50 PM EDT

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Read "Into the Cannibal's Pot."

http://www.amazon.com/Into-Cannibals-Pot-Lessons-Post-Apartheid/dp/0984907017

http://www.ilanamercer.com/newsite/into-the-cannibals-pot.php

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:27:46 PM EDT

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mandela united football club

look it up
lots of reading

Posted: 12/11/2013 5:39:00 PM EDT

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I got into a bit of a discussion with a liberal relative about Mandela's death earlier today. She believes that all the negative remarks going around about him are attributable to conservative slander and racism.

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I looked online for some strictly factual history about the man and his activities, but all I can seem to find are liberal sources fellating him and conservative sources crucifying him. Can anyone point me to a good reference that won't be instantly dismissed as "right wing slander"?

Thanks.

The fact is that even Amnesty International refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because they asserted that he was no political prisoner but had committed numerous violent crimes and had had a fair trial and a reasonable sentence.

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

South African President P.W. Botha had, on a number of occasions, offered Nelson Mandela freedom from prison, if he would only renounce terrorist violence. This Mandela refused to do. - Invictus Idolatry

* The full list of munitions and charges read as follows:

• One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

• One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

• Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

(b) the art of warfare, including guerilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;

(b) the maintenance of law and order;

(c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;

(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;

(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and

(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

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