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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:50:44 PM EDT
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Why would someone make such a thing?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:51:36 PM EDT
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overall length rules for ar pistols, if its over 26" total you can put a VFG on it and not have to get a stamp. And I already have a really nice barrel, and buffer tubes are usually really cheap.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:55:26 PM EDT
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How long is a normal rifle buffer tube?
This may or may not work, but what if you got a longer than normal screw and used it to simply stack up and attach several A2 butt-stock spacers to the back of a rifle tube? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:56:14 PM EDT
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Dude, it's not the length of your tube....
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:57:22 PM EDT
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Dude, it's not the length of your tube.... lmao I was wondering how long it was going to take 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:58:41 PM EDT
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How long is a normal rifle buffer tube? This may or may not work, but what if you got a longer than normal screw and used it to simply stack up and attach several A2 butt-stock spacers to the back of a rifle tube? usually 7" or so, That would probably work but I would really feel better about it if it was one piece so that it couldn't be "easily removed", yes I know that you can silver solder and such. Maybe this will be my first project on my new metal lathe. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:00:10 PM EDT
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If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:00:49 PM EDT
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Why?
A longer tube INTERNALLY would simply result in the carrier key impacting the upper part (above the threads) of the lower receiver and breaking it. Happens every now and again when someone goofs up and puts a carbine length buffer in a rifle length tube. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:04 PM EDT
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If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules. if it is over 26" in length and it has a VFG its a Firearm not a pistol, so please stop spouting bullshit. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:04 PM EDT
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usually 7" or so, That would probably work but I would really feel better about it if it was one piece so that it couldn't be "easily removed", yes I know that you can silver solder and such. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long is a normal rifle buffer tube? This may or may not work, but what if you got a longer than normal screw and used it to simply stack up and attach several A2 butt-stock spacers to the back of a rifle tube? usually 7" or so, That would probably work but I would really feel better about it if it was one piece so that it couldn't be "easily removed", yes I know that you can silver solder and such. I thought about the same thing, but I would think that a flash hider affixed in the normal method could also be "easily removed", and that if they could accept a normal non pin/weld FH to count as part of the OAL, the buffer tube extension rig should count as well. Maybe get a foam slip on tube cover and pop it over the back end after you put the extensions on and call it good. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:35 PM EDT
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Vltor has an A5 7-position tube. Looking around the net I found this for the lengths:
A2: 10 3/4" SOPMOD/A5: just shy of 12" Dremel power to eliminate the position notches! |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules. That isn't exactly true. Over a 26" OAL with a VFG is an AR15 firearm. It isn't a pistol and it doesn't fall into SBR or AOW.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if it is over 26" in length and it has a VFG its a Firearm not a pistol, so please stop spouting bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules. if it is over 26" in length and it has a VFG its a Firearm not a pistol, so please stop spouting bullshit. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:04:22 PM EDT
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Why? A longer tube INTERNALLY would simply result in the carrier key impacting the upper part (above the threads) of the lower receiver and breaking it. Happens every now and again when someone goofs up and puts a carbine length buffer in a rifle length tube. Would you need a longer spring? If going to add length, add it to the barrel. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn't exactly true. Over a 26" OAL with a VFG is an AR15 firearm. It isn't a pistol and it doesn't fall into SBR or AOW. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules. That isn't exactly true. Over a 26" OAL with a VFG is an AR15 firearm. It isn't a pistol and it doesn't fall into SBR or AOW. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:05:53 PM EDT
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Do you have a letter stating this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches it has to be an SBR, Pistol, or AOW. No way around that. The way the shotgun with a pistol grip is not NFA is they do not go under any of the OAL rules. if it is over 26" in length and it has a VFG its a Firearm not a pistol, so please stop spouting bullshit. yes and there is a stickied thread about it in the pistol forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/458387_ATF_Rule_on_Adding_a_Vertical_Fore_Grip_to_a_Handgun__Specifically_the_AR15_Pistol_.html although the letter link is fucked up |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:07:51 PM EDT
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:08:46 PM EDT
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I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. huh? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you.  |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:09:52 PM EDT
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Vltor has an A5 7-position tube. Looking around the net I found this for the lengths: A2: 10 3/4" SOPMOD/A5: just shy of 12" Dremel power to eliminate the position notches! Awesome, thank you very much |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:10:22 PM EDT
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. can you help me out, I don't get it? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:11:15 PM EDT
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Would you need a longer spring? If going to add length, add it to the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? A longer tube INTERNALLY would simply result in the carrier key impacting the upper part (above the threads) of the lower receiver and breaking it. Happens every now and again when someone goofs up and puts a carbine length buffer in a rifle length tube. Would you need a longer spring? If going to add length, add it to the barrel. GTFO with your common sense! 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: can you help me out, I don't get it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. can you help me out, I don't get it? Nope. Never interrupt NorCal when he's playing with his food. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:12:00 PM EDT
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I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:12:07 PM EDT
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can you help me out, I don't get it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. can you help me out, I don't get it? Welcome back. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:13:28 PM EDT
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can you help me out, I don't get it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. can you help me out, I don't get it? 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:14:32 PM EDT
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just glue a big black rubber dong on it..... probably look better than that sig arm brace abortion
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:14:48 PM EDT
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Welcome back. IN |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:15:28 PM EDT
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Law Tactical folder is a good way to add 1.3" to your pistol when you need it and subtract ~7" when you don't
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you.  |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:18:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:18:39 PM EDT
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do you mean 15 letters?
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you.
Maybe. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:21:00 PM EDT
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So is the point of this so you can have a short barrel, long buffer tube, and a VFG? It seems like an awful lot of screwing around for no big difference. Isn't a 16 carbine about 32" overall?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:22:28 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:22:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:24:06 PM EDT
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Does this phrase include "I'm coming in dry"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you. edit: nevermind |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:24:31 PM EDT
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Well, since the OP took his ball and went home...
You seem ... familiar. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:24:58 PM EDT
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/d7ed85960eadac11ae90d15341502ca0_zps0b926799.jpg[/url] Sorry I didn't put it in the pistol forum, move or delete I got the answer I needed |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:26:04 PM EDT
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Sorry I didn't put it in the pistol forum, move or delete I got the answer I needed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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/d7ed85960eadac11ae90d15341502ca0_zps0b926799.jpg[/url] Sorry I didn't put it in the pistol forum, move or delete I got the answer I needed Heh, I think NorCal is fixing to do a little more than that. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, since the OP took his ball and went home... You seem ... familiar. I just noticed your Christmas avatar |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:27:18 PM EDT
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Does the hive know of anyone making a buffer tube that is in the 10" to 11" range. I have a phrase in the 15 word range for you.
Maybe. YLF!
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:27:24 PM EDT
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Previously banned member.
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