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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:04:32 AM EDT
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She probably already did the right thing. Pressure from their peers is all those guys might respond to.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:04:42 AM EDT
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the jewish kid will probably be pretty successful in life....
the jocks will be a crap shoot as to whether or not they pull their heads out of their asses... wouldn't involve the man... |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:05:23 AM EDT
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On arfcom, bullying is good, and exactly what that kid needed.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:05:46 AM EDT
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kids' tribalism sure is charming.
maybe they'll make it even more fun for the 'bullied' kid if they get in trouble for it? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:05:46 AM EDT
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wouldn't involve the man... |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:05:49 AM EDT
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I think she should at the very least tell the coach. I would hope he would not condone such behavior from his wrestlers.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:25 AM EDT
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Don't tell a teacher. It will end making it worse for the jewish kid.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:27 AM EDT
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If it bugs him enough he will take care of it if not seems like he's not too worried about it . "bullying" in 10th grade deserves a punch in the fucking mouth not tattle telling. But I graduated 20yrs ago before all the pc bullshit really set in
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:28 AM EDT
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She probably already did the right thing. Pressure from their peers is all those guys might respond to. +1. Peer pressure trumps adult pressure every time. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:32 AM EDT
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If she is on good terms with the coach, tell him.
WAY more influence over the jocks than a teacher or administrator. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:45 AM EDT
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Good for your daughter. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:06:46 AM EDT
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Tough call but I think from what she has done already and from the boy saying to not worry about I would tell her to leave it there for now. If she tells a teacher and the wrestler boys get in trouble they could blame the Jewish boy more and bully him more. I'd say she has already fired off a warning to the boys to cut it out but if it continues she will let a teacher know.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:08:41 AM EDT
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I bet if your daughter talks to the wrestling coach about what she saw, and tells
him that she would not feel comfortable supporting a team which does not uphold the school's values that the coach (if he is a decent fellow) will knock their dicks in the dirt and bring that shit to a halt. My theory is that student athletes are representatives of their school and are held to a high standard. I would hope the coach feels the same way. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:08:57 AM EDT
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If it bugs him enough he will take care of it if not seems like he's not too worried about it . "bullying" in 10th grade deserves a punch in the fucking mouth not tattle telling. But I graduated 20yrs ago before all the pc bullshit really set in The person she is describing is skinny and weak, getting picked on by not only much larger and stronger kids, but a pack of them. If you went up and punched them in the mouth, he would get fucking jumped. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:09:22 AM EDT
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Kids will be kids.
I would tell my daughter she has a heart of gold and to try to stay out of it. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:10:22 AM EDT
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You can't fix nerds. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:10:40 AM EDT
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I'm usually not one to 'invite the man into one's life', but I think your daughter shouldn't let it drop.
Coach needs to be told and the bullies need to be slapped down HARD. As a parent I would suggest you talk to the coach. If only your daughter brings it to his attention it might just get swept under the rug. Bullying by jocks only fuels a sense of entitlement ("the rules don't apply to us, we're ATHLETES") and picking on a kid for his religion is just...jeeze, seriously, this is supposed to be the 21st century. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:11:29 AM EDT
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I bet if your daughter talks to the wrestling coach about what she saw, and tells him that she would not feel comfortable supporting a team which does not uphold the school's values that the coach (if he is a decent fellow) will knock their dicks in the dirt and bring that shit to a halt. My theory is that student athletes are representatives of their school and are held to a high standard. I would hope the coach feels the same way. now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:13:21 AM EDT
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"Never invite the man into your life" is every bit as applicable to School Admins as it is .gov. She did the right thing by taking it to the shit-heads team mates. If that doesn't work, she should talk to their coach.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:13:44 AM EDT
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I'm usually not one to 'invite the man into one's life', but I think your daughter shouldn't let it drop. Coach needs to be told and the bullies need to be slapped down HARD. As a parent I would suggest you talk to the coach. If only your daughter brings it to his attention it might just get swept under the rug. Bullying by jocks only fuels a sense of entitlement ("the rules don't apply to us, we're ATHLETES") and picking on a kid for his religion is just...jeeze, seriously, this is supposed to be the 21st century. When I played sports in high school that's exactly what I thought. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:14:05 AM EDT
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If she is on good terms with the coach, tell him. WAY more influence over the jocks than a teacher or administrator. Winner. I would have rather faced pretty much any punishment in HS rather than have any of my coaches catch wind of me pulling some crap. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:14:10 AM EDT
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I don't know what I would tell my kid to do. If she intervenes, she could be their focus next and have to deal with the ridicule. If she does nothing, well that isn't right either.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:14:25 AM EDT
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The person she is describing is skinny and weak, getting picked on by not only much larger and stronger kids, but a pack of them. If you went up and punched them in the mouth, he would get fucking jumped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it bugs him enough he will take care of it if not seems like he's not too worried about it . "bullying" in 10th grade deserves a punch in the fucking mouth not tattle telling. But I graduated 20yrs ago before all the pc bullshit really set in The person she is describing is skinny and weak, getting picked on by not only much larger and stronger kids, but a pack of them. If you went up and punched them in the mouth, he would get fucking jumped. in my experience (former high school jock myself) the guys doing the ribbing like that mostly wouldn't say a damn thing by themselves....it's a group think kinda thing....they all have to show each other they've got big balls and are manly and tough....by pushing around something smaller and weaker.... as i said above, it'll be a crap shoot as to whether or not they pull their heads out of their asses and start acting like decent people....there's not a lot of individuality in high school...there is a lot of follow the leader - just not many real leaders... |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:14:54 AM EDT
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I'm from a wrestling/fighting culture - I think you need to involve the adult - the coach must know about this.
We fighters tend to be idiots - there are also some smart folks among us who care, such as your daughter. This will NOT resolve itself. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:15:21 AM EDT
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Snitches get stitches?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:15:49 AM EDT
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Kids will be kids. I would tell my daughter she has a heart of gold and to try to stay out of it. no, this is not what fighters do - fighters move, take action, gain the dominant position and finish the fight. If his daughter doesn't do all these things in that order she failed. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:16:09 AM EDT
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the jewish kid will probably be pretty successful in life.... the jocks will be a crap shoot as to whether or not they pull their heads out of their asses... wouldn't involve the man... Yup. Hopefully the kid can harness that pain and use it to make himself rich. I would say that she shouldn't involve any teachers, etc unless it becomes physical. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:16:45 AM EDT
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The person she is describing is skinny and weak, getting picked on by not only much larger and stronger kids, but a pack of them. If you went up and punched them in the mouth, he would get fucking jumped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it bugs him enough he will take care of it if not seems like he's not too worried about it . "bullying" in 10th grade deserves a punch in the fucking mouth not tattle telling. But I graduated 20yrs ago before all the pc bullshit really set in The person she is describing is skinny and weak, getting picked on by not only much larger and stronger kids, but a pack of them. If you went up and punched them in the mouth, he would get fucking jumped. Understood but ive seen it done and ill tell you it works. Just my opinion ymmv but its how shit used to work before the days of the scrawny kid being over protected by every adult they come into contact with but the "bullying" getting so bad they grab a gun and shoot 20 people ... Again only my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:17:22 AM EDT
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I been told the wife's nephew is being bullied in school
He is a 5'11 200 pound 12 year old with size 14 shoes He ain't even turning 13 for 4-5 months yet One of these days that boy is gonna ruin some bully's day |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:17:48 AM EDT
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now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... No, but I did wrestle in middle school, and the coach would be the absolute LAST person that I would want to hear about any of my bad behavior. I went to a Catholic HS, that were state champs in wrestling a couple years there, and I was in no way shape or form up to their standards. But I can tell you for a fact there was little to no bullying in our school. The deans were also wrestling and football coaches and they busted heads if anyone got out of line. But maybe that is unique to small towns and catholic schools, who knows. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:18:33 AM EDT
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Yup. Hopefully the kid can harness that pain and use it to make himself rich. I would say that she shouldn't involve any teachers, etc unless it becomes physical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the jewish kid will probably be pretty successful in life.... the jocks will be a crap shoot as to whether or not they pull their heads out of their asses... wouldn't involve the man... Yup. Hopefully the kid can harness that pain and use it to make himself rich. I would say that she shouldn't involve any teachers, etc unless it becomes physical. yes, i should've enunciated that. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:19:12 AM EDT
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Is it a public school? Because I sure as hell wouldn't trust a public school to do the right thing. Ask her if there is a teacher she might feel comfortable telling. But something should be done, I've got no tolerance for making fun of someone's religion.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:20:07 AM EDT
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the jewish kid will probably be pretty successful in life.... the jocks will be a crap shoot as to whether or not they pull their heads out of their asses... wouldn't involve the man... truth good on your daughter.... sounds like you raised her well |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:20:47 AM EDT
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Kids will be kids. I would tell my daughter she has a heart of gold and to try to stay out of it. Oh fuck this bullshit, retarded advice in the hardest way possible. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:21:10 AM EDT
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Fuck the coach. He is just going to lookout for his team
Let your daughter get back to school and you make a call to the admin. let the people who get paid to handle it, handle it That way your daughter doesn't need to play bully police |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:21:18 AM EDT
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"Never invite the man into your life" is every bit as applicable to School Admins as it is .gov. She did the right thing by taking it to the shit-heads team mates. If that doesn't work, she should talk to their coach. I might take it a little further by not only having a chat with the coach, but with the bullies parents. If it continues, talk to the administration and make a formal religious harassment complaint, with a carbon copy to the local school board. If ANYTHING happens after that, call the cops if warranted (threats or actual physical violence) and let the kid's parents know they will be hearing from your lawyer. Sometimes it takes a little pain on the parents to make them rein in their kids. I think athletes should be held to a HIGHER standard than the rest of the students. Unfortunately in this day and age, the little fuckers are allowed to run wild because money and school prestige is apparently more important than anything else. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:21:27 AM EDT
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now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet if your daughter talks to the wrestling coach about what she saw, and tells him that she would not feel comfortable supporting a team which does not uphold the school's values that the coach (if he is a decent fellow) will knock their dicks in the dirt and bring that shit to a halt. My theory is that student athletes are representatives of their school and are held to a high standard. I would hope the coach feels the same way. now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... Talking to the coach will get positive results, guaranteed. Student athletes are held to a higher standard than students and represent the school, the entire school..staff, faculty and students. Any coach worth his sweat socks knows this and wants his guys to show him and his team in a good light. The coach can punish bad behavior by just benching the little shits for a match or two, and no one can say shit about it. He can also drop them from the squad for violating his rules, which can be more strict than laws or school rules. Also the coach is key for college recommendations, and is usually asked by the students if a referral is needed. BTDT, HS and College varsity athlete here. Coaches have almost god like powers to aspiring athletes. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:21:52 AM EDT
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Strong kids have always been mean to weak kids. I think part of it is to toughen them up. Not sure it really works but the kid in the story did seem to have a strong personal attitude despite the teasing. I don't think that behavior will ever stop.
Since the kids were wrestlers they should have known better than to do something like that. The correct action would be for your daughter to mention what she saw to the wrestling coach, not the principal or another teacher. The coach will make them pay for it, because their actions are reflected on him, and he will do so in a manner that doesn't ruin their lives.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:23:42 AM EDT
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Shit, my daughter probably would have jumped their asses over it.
Self-expression isn't one of her problems. I'm not advocating that course.however. I think your daughter did fine. I'd probably leave it up to the boy who was being bullied to report it, if he feels the need to do it. She might be setting herself up for some trouble, if she takes matters into her own hands. I would encourage her to support him, should he choose to report it. I'm sure the school would appreciate having a witness to the event. She might catch some shit from the aggressors, though. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:23:56 AM EDT
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You can't fix nerds. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:25:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I been told the wife's nephew is being bullied in school He is a 5'11 200 pound 12 year old with size 14 shoes He ain't even turning 13 for 4-5 months yet One of these days that boy is gonna ruin some bully's day |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:25:51 AM EDT
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On arfcom, bullying is good, and exactly what that kid needed. it is necessary to an extent. it teaches you to trust no one, and that most people are assholes. not to mention it teaches you that you need to stand up for yourself or the bullying will continue. that said, relentless bullying should be addressed by peers or teachers/administration. telling a joke like the other OP's son did... no that is not bullying. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:26:09 AM EDT
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If she is on good terms with the coach, tell him. WAY more influence over the jocks than a teacher or administrator. This. The coach, if he is worth a shit, will fix this. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:26:23 AM EDT
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Anyone know what the kid who's being harassed wants?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:27:14 AM EDT
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What happened to strong standing up for the weak instead of standing on them?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:27:22 AM EDT
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now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet if your daughter talks to the wrestling coach about what she saw, and tells him that she would not feel comfortable supporting a team which does not uphold the school's values that the coach (if he is a decent fellow) will knock their dicks in the dirt and bring that shit to a halt. My theory is that student athletes are representatives of their school and are held to a high standard. I would hope the coach feels the same way. now, i'll admit this is a wide brush to be painting with..... but, did you play sports in high school? my football coaches learned me some of the most distasteful jokes i've ever heard - second only to grandpa... That might be, but my wrestling coach would have had our asses, if he heard we did something like that. Depends on the guy, really. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:28:48 AM EDT
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i think the daughter should get with the rest of the girls on the pep squad and use the girls to teach the guys their lesson.
they won't care what coach says...they're stubborn. if the females don't give them the time of day because their known as racist assholes around the school - they'll change their tune, even if only outwardly. my coach would've given you a "i'm shocked, shocked i tell you!" if you told him we were making racist jokes or giving someone hell about their religion....we might've had to run windsprints till we puked - maybe.. if it got physical, coach would've kicked our asses himself if he had the chance. let their fire burn out by not giving them any more fuel - they wake up a bit when they realize they're completely irrelevant, and they're not getting anything out of being dicks...YMMV |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:29:52 AM EDT
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Fuck the coach. He is just going to lookout for his team Let your daughter get back to school and you make a call to the admin. let the people who get paid to handle it, handle it That way your daughter doesn't need to play bully police The coach would have to be in this league to not run the boys into the mat: 
Possible, but not what I would expect from most HS coaches. Even if all he cared about was protecting the team he would be making darn sure they don't do something again dumb enough to get them yanked from the squad or worse. I'm betting a sh!t ton of wind sprints in those boys future. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:30:20 AM EDT
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Anyone know what the kid who's being harassed wants? You mean, how do we really know he doesn't like getting picked on?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:32:26 AM EDT
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Video tape it for awhile. If anything that looks like assault occurs, bypass the school administration and go straight to the police. School admins don't do shit about bullies.
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