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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:45:04 PM EDT
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OP, I hope you have a suppressor, and if you don't you should just practice saying "WHUT? " now. Unless I were living in Somalia, an AR anything would be my last choice for HD. Why is that? Shorter and more maneuverable than a shotgun. Greater ammo capacity than a shotgun or pistol. Much more capable round than the typical automatic handgun. Faster follow ups than a shotgun or handgun. Less chance of overpenitration than buckshot or a handgun. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:51:28 PM EDT
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Why is that? Shorter and more maneuverable than a shotgun. Greater ammo capacity than a shotgun or pistol. Much more capable round than the typical automatic handgun. Faster follow ups than a shotgun or handgun. Less chance of overpenitration than buckshot or a handgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, I hope you have a suppressor, and if you don't you should just practice saying "WHUT? " now. Unless I were living in Somalia, an AR anything would be my last choice for HD. Why is that? Shorter and more maneuverable than a shotgun. Greater ammo capacity than a shotgun or pistol. Much more capable round than the typical automatic handgun. Faster follow ups than a shotgun or handgun. Less chance of overpenitration than buckshot or a handgun. You sir, can just GTFO of here with your common sense view of the issue. 
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:52:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread. I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/gman82001/IMAG1000.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.  I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread. I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/gman82001/IMAG1000.jpg I will have that in 300. Needs a light too.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:55:05 PM EDT
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OP, for HD, you need to go the 300 blackout 200 (or more) grain bullet load route to save your hearing.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:57:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't hear you over the "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "WHAT?!?" I can't hear you over the "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"  ETA: And that is just from hunting and playing trumpet. I can't imagine how bad it must be for infantry, artillery men or tankers.  |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:58:22 PM EDT
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AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length. AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. And expensive |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:00:43 PM EDT
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What's wrong with a .45 shooting 230 grains rather than a .223 rifle shooting 55 grain rounds?
The fireball alone would be fun indoors, 
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:00:45 PM EDT
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Dunno, but that'd be an interesting comparison to run. I don't have one of the braces, nor do I know anyone with one, so I can't run it. A good test, though. Problem is, you're almost all the way to the stamp cost at that point. Granted, the wait is killer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm listening. Does the sig brace compare to a legit stock'd SBR? Dunno, but that'd be an interesting comparison to run. I don't have one of the braces, nor do I know anyone with one, so I can't run it. A good test, though. Problem is, you're almost all the way to the stamp cost at that point. Granted, the wait is killer. I'm not a fan of the increased level of intimacy with the "man" either when compared with the Sig thingy |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:02:37 PM EDT
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols. 
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel? 
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:03:26 PM EDT
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AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length. AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. What makes the Tavor a piece of shit? |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:04:44 PM EDT
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I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:08:42 PM EDT
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It aint a joke. the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE is louder than most soft spoken people and interferes with my comprehension of English spoken with poor diction or thick accents.
ETA: And that is just from hunting and playing trumpet. I can't imagine how bad it must be for infantry, artillery men or tankers.
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"WHAT?!?" I can't hear you over the "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
ETA: And that is just from hunting and playing trumpet. I can't imagine how bad it must be for infantry, artillery men or tankers.
I have mine from playing in rock bands…one of the reasons I stopped was because I didn't want to further damage my hearing. As far as shooting ARs indoors, this past summer I was at an outdoor range where the firing line was enclosed on three sides…I went to shoot my 6920 without realizing I did not have my hearing protection in. I thought my rifle blew up and it was just like in the movies where there is an explosion and they show people moving slowly because they are in shock and can't hear. Cant imagine shooting an AR pistol in a house without a suppressor. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own 5 AR-15 pistols. What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols. What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel? Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:10:30 PM EDT
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I will have that in 300. Needs a light too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread. I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/gman82001/IMAG1000.jpg I will have that in 300. Needs a light too. You need something with out a safety. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:10:45 PM EDT
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Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. No, just buy a stripped lower and do as you wish with it. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:11:18 PM EDT
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Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. No. It just has to be bought as a virgin lower or pistol. If it's ever been a rifle, it can't become a pistol. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, just buy a stripped lower and do as you wish with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols. What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel? Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. No, just buy a stripped lower and do as you wish with it. Not here, I'm afraid.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:12:06 PM EDT
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Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. In free states, no. The deal is, the lower cannot have ever been in a rifle configuration, or transferred as a "long gun". Has to be transferred on the forms as a "receiver" ("hand gun" would work too). Pistol markings help avoid idiocy, but aren't required. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:12:15 PM EDT
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I will have that in 300. Needs a light too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread. I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/gman82001/IMAG1000.jpg I will have that in 300. Needs a light too. Light will be after payday
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need something with out a safety. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives. I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread. I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/gman82001/IMAG1000.jpg I will have that in 300. Needs a light too. You need something with out a safety. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:14:11 PM EDT
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In free states, no. The deal is, the lower cannot have ever been in a rifle configuration, or transferred as a "long gun". Has to be transferred on the forms as a "receiver" ("hand gun" would work too). Pistol markings help avoid idiocy, but aren't required. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. In free states, no. The deal is, the lower cannot have ever been in a rifle configuration, or transferred as a "long gun". Has to be transferred on the forms as a "receiver" ("hand gun" would work too). Pistol markings help avoid idiocy, but aren't required. 4473 must be marked other or receiver, just not "rifle". |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:14:34 PM EDT
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So I've got a couple stripped lowers put up, but I'm guessing I registered those as rifles, since I didn't specify "pistol" when I got them.
No go then? Have to buy a new lower?
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:15:25 PM EDT
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What makes the Tavor a piece of shit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length. AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. What makes the Tavor a piece of shit? It's really one of those guns you need to shoot in order to appreciate just how crappy it is. But the short list? Crappy plastic controls, odd, unwieldy, and the trigger is just fucking horrid. And then there are the mechanical problems I experienced like failure to extract, then another and another and another. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:16:40 PM EDT
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4473 must be marked other or receiver, just not "rifle". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? I own 5 AR-15 pistols.
What kind of velocities are you getting from a 7.5 to 10.5" barrel?
Hey, question.. Does the lower have to be marked "pistol"? Any difference in the paperwork process? I don't have any AR pistols yet. In free states, no. The deal is, the lower cannot have ever been in a rifle configuration, or transferred as a "long gun". Has to be transferred on the forms as a "receiver" ("hand gun" would work too). Pistol markings help avoid idiocy, but aren't required. 4473 must be marked other or receiver, just not "rifle". Ummmm... It must be checked as "Receiver" or, alternatively, "Hand Gun". It CANNOT have "Long Gun" checked, ever, under any circumstances, period. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:17:13 PM EDT
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So I've got a couple stripped lowers put up, but I'm guessing I registered those as rifles, since I didn't specify "pistol" when I got them. No go then? Have to buy a new lower? Receivers aren't rifles or pistols, they are firearms and transfer as "other" on a 4473. Even if it wasn't done that way (ATF just recently clarified this for FFLs), it's no problem. If they've never been rifles (ie built up as a rifle AND completed -- with an upper put on that is Title I), you can build it as a pistol. Even better, anything that starts a pistol can go to a rifle and back to a pistol again now legally. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:19:45 PM EDT
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I recently got a Keltec PLR-16 and toyed with the HD idea. Then I shot it at an indoor range. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10747446135_4ec95da071_z.jpg I'll stick with my double barrel shotgun for now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing makes my loins pulse like the thought of lighting off unsuppressed 5.56 rounds out of a short barrel... indoors. I recently got a Keltec PLR-16 and toyed with the HD idea. Then I shot it at an indoor range. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10747446135_4ec95da071_z.jpg I'll stick with my double barrel shotgun for now. Loud mo fo. Sho nuff. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:20:28 PM EDT
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Ummmm... It must be checked as "Receiver" or, alternatively, "Hand Gun". It CANNOT have "Long Gun" checked, ever, under any circumstances, period. Incorrect. 
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:21:17 PM EDT
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Kiss yer hearing goodbye
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:22:03 PM EDT
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It's really one of those guns you need to shoot in order to appreciate just how crappy it is. But the short list? Crappy plastic controls, odd, unwieldy, and the trigger is just fucking horrid. And then there are the mechanical problems I experienced like failure to extract, then another and another and another. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length. AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit. What makes the Tavor a piece of shit? It's really one of those guns you need to shoot in order to appreciate just how crappy it is. But the short list? Crappy plastic controls, odd, unwieldy, and the trigger is just fucking horrid. And then there are the mechanical problems I experienced like failure to extract, then another and another and another. I've shot one, and I liked it actually. Controls could be better. That has applied every bullpup. So are the terms "odd" and "unwieldy". Trigger sucks... Welcome to the world of bullpups. I'm interested in seeing what Geissele can do with it. Geissele hasn't mentioned making triggers for any other bullpup that I have heard of. At least it takes correct magazines.
As for failures... That I am more concerned about. Do you mind if I ask what type of ammo was involved? |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:25:00 PM EDT
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Ummmm... It must be checked as "Receiver" or, alternatively, "Hand Gun". It CANNOT have "Long Gun" checked, ever, under any circumstances, period. Incorrect. http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png Nope. He asked what receivers a handgun can be built from. An AR lower that has been a handgun (and thus checked as "Hand Gun" on the 4473) and only a handgun can be a hand gun. Also, a virgin lower correctly checked as "Receiver" can be a handgun. A lower that has at any point been a rifle configuration or, more importantly due to the fact it is in writing, transferred as a "Long Gun" cannot ever be a handgun. You are aware that receivers are not one-time use items, right? And a handgun does not have to be built on a virgin receiver. It does, however, have to be a receiver that has not been a long gun, and especially not in writing ("Long Gun" checked on form). |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:25:06 PM EDT
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nvm still not sure.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:26:11 PM EDT
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Nope. He asked what receivers a handgun can be built from. An AR lower that has been a handgun (and thus checked as "Hand Gun" on the 4473) and only a handgun can be a hand gun. Also, a virgin lower correctly checked as "Receiver" can be a handgun. A lower that has at any point been a rifle configuration or, more importantly due to the fact it is in writing, transferred as a "Long Gun" cannot ever be a handgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ummmm... It must be checked as "Receiver" or, alternatively, "Hand Gun". It CANNOT have "Long Gun" checked, ever, under any circumstances, period. Incorrect. http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png Nope. He asked what receivers a handgun can be built from. An AR lower that has been a handgun (and thus checked as "Hand Gun" on the 4473) and only a handgun can be a hand gun. Also, a virgin lower correctly checked as "Receiver" can be a handgun. A lower that has at any point been a rifle configuration or, more importantly due to the fact it is in writing, transferred as a "Long Gun" cannot ever be a handgun. Wrong again. I just edited my post with the ATF's open letter to FFLs. What it was transferred as doesn't matter. Receivers are not pistols, rifles, or shotguns. They don't meet the legal definitions as such. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:27:30 PM EDT
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I think an AR pistol is good to go for home defense if that is what you want it for. Any gun you fire with out ear protection is going to hurt you. You shouldn't be shooting it without hearing protection unless someone is in your house doing your harm. In that case you are going to deal with a bit of hearing loss.
That argument just seems silly to me. I have a sig brace on a pistol. I think my times would be just as good as if I swapped to an SBR which Iowa does not allow. Depending on what your state laws are for CCW you can often carry it in your vehicle as well. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:28:43 PM EDT
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Why do you guys want more than a fordy five for HD
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:30:19 PM EDT
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Wrong again. I just edited my post with the ATF's open letter to FFLs. What it was transferred as doesn't matter. Receivers are not pistols, rifles, or shotguns. They don't meet the legal definitions as such. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ummmm... It must be checked as "Receiver" or, alternatively, "Hand Gun". It CANNOT have "Long Gun" checked, ever, under any circumstances, period. Incorrect. http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png Nope. He asked what receivers a handgun can be built from. An AR lower that has been a handgun (and thus checked as "Hand Gun" on the 4473) and only a handgun can be a hand gun. Also, a virgin lower correctly checked as "Receiver" can be a handgun. A lower that has at any point been a rifle configuration or, more importantly due to the fact it is in writing, transferred as a "Long Gun" cannot ever be a handgun. Wrong again. I just edited my post with the ATF's open letter to FFLs. What it was transferred as doesn't matter. Receivers are not pistols, rifles, or shotguns. They don't meet the legal definitions as such. You are aware that receivers are not one-time use items, right? And a handgun does not have to be built on a virgin receiver. It does, however, have to be a receiver that has not been a long gun, and especially not in writing ("Long Gun" checked on form). So, nope, again. You can build an AR pistol on a receiver provided every 4473 and bound book it has been in is checked/written "hand gun" or "receiver", but never "long gun". Technically, it must also never have been in the physical configuration of a long gun, but obviously this is more difficult to prove. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:31:03 PM EDT
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My 7" pistol is definitely my HD go-to weapon. It's got a flaming pig on it, which cuts down the muzzle blast on the shooter's end. It literally acts like a flashbang for everyone else around, especially indoors. I never really understood people who hate on AR pistols for HD. Obviously a full SBR may be more effective, but not everybody wants to invite "the man" into their life just to have one. With a pistol I still have an AFG, a light, a one-point sling for retention, and a 20-30 rd mag. And now you can add the sig brace to be Operator As F#ck!
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:31:37 PM EDT
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You are aware that receivers are not one-time use items, right? And a handgun does not have to be built on a virgin receiver. It does, however, have to be a receiver that has not been a long gun, and especially not in writing ("Long Gun" checked on form). So, nope, again. You can build an AR pistol on a receiver provided every 4473 and bound book it has been in is checked/written "hand gun" or "receiver", but never "long gun". Technically, it must also never have been in the physical configuration of a long gun, but obviously this is more difficult to prove. You have been proven wrong yet continue to argue. That's sad. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:32:25 PM EDT
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Whats wrong with the AR PISTOL HATERS? What could possibly be wrong and all but AR goodness from RIFLE CALIBER, concealable (although not as easy as a pistol and def not in the summer time), car carry-able (in states that forbid loaded rifles in a car) CCW legal AR15 PISTOL...a pistol that can give you head shots to 200 and body shots to 400+ from a concealable package? WHY PAY FOR AN SBR stamp and have to jump thru all those hoops? The AR pistol can be fired floated on the move like a carbine, snugged u tight with the buffer tube in tight to the shoulder (minimal recoil) for rifle like accuracy...what in the world could you find wrong with a system like this? 30 rounds of RIFLE AMMO in a small package...If you are shitting on the idea...YOU HAVE NOT HELD NOR FIRED ONE...PERIOD...To hell with SBR's...I've got a few 14.7 AR's with pinned suppressor mounts to be legal...and a 9" AR Pistol with a RRA pistol buffer tube...building a 300BLK in 10" soon...buy a SSS Brake Shield or a KX3 and turn that extremely loud muzzle blast to your favor...basically every time you pull the trigger your projecting a flash bang like sound wave at your target...completely resetting their OODA loop every time you pull the trigger... more AR Pistol awesomeness...you don't train without ear pro do you?
Properly set up and run the AR Pistol is a formidable weapon... 
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:32:52 PM EDT
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PTRPDWPistol FTW. Hearing and vision are way overrated.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:35:16 PM EDT
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You have been proven wrong yet continue to argue. That's sad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are aware that receivers are not one-time use items, right? And a handgun does not have to be built on a virgin receiver. It does, however, have to be a receiver that has not been a long gun, and especially not in writing ("Long Gun" checked on form). So, nope, again. You can build an AR pistol on a receiver provided every 4473 and bound book it has been in is checked/written "hand gun" or "receiver", but never "long gun". Technically, it must also never have been in the physical configuration of a long gun, but obviously this is more difficult to prove. You have been proven wrong yet continue to argue. That's sad. 
I said that a receiver must not have been marked Long Gun on a 4473 at any point, but being marked Hand Gun or Receiver in its transfer history does not prohibit a handgun being built on the receiver. That is factually correct. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:46:10 PM EDT
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So it sounds like I need to dig out my paperwork and check how they were marked at transfer, just to be sure.
It's been so long since I bought them I don't remember what we did.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:50:11 PM EDT
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I built an AR pistol in 5.7x28 with a 12" AR57 upper. Light, handy, easy to shoot with almost no recoil. I set it up with a single-point sling, MAGPUL AFG, and an Aimpoint Micro and a Streamlight.
For now it is nothing more than a novelty as I have better guns for HD but with the right ammunition (I have some SS195) and that 50 round mag I have no doubt it could ruin a bad guy's whole day. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 4:52:27 PM EDT
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So it sounds like I need to dig out my paperwork and check how they were marked at transfer, just to be sure. It's been so long since I bought them I don't remember what we did. You don't actually. Unless there's some CA state law. Again:
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:01:04 PM EDT
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PTRPDWPistol FTW. Hearing and vision are way overrated. http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/PTR915300Pr762.jpg Having owned one of those for a while the AR pistol is tame. But the damn thing always resulted in a stupid, shit eating grin. Why not an AR pistol for HD? I will agree with a few posts here, short, hi cap, rifle performance, decent accuracy. In a HD situation anything is loud. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:01:41 PM EDT
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AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
I agree 100% with him if you are over 5' 8" or so. I did the pistol route while waiting for my stamp to come and being 6' 6" tall with long arms it is a major PITA to shoot a AR pistol. I actually just submitted 2 more Form 1's tonight so that I will never have to deal with an AR pistol again. ETA: I do still have a pistol lower and will use it when traveling if I need to but it is no comparison to the same gun in SBR form except maybe with the Sig brace but I don't have one. For the same $$ though I can almost get the Form 1 done. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:01:55 PM EDT
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You don't actually. Unless there's some CA state law. Again: http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png TR1985 is wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So it sounds like I need to dig out my paperwork and check how they were marked at transfer, just to be sure. It's been so long since I bought them I don't remember what we did. You don't actually. Unless there's some CA state law. Again: http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png TR1985 is wrong. So, what would a dealer transferring a stripped lower have checked on this 4473: 
I'll wait for your answer. Or apology, but I won't hold my breath. There are shitloads of lowers out there that were transferred checked as either "Long Gun" or "Hand Gun", because there was no other option at the time. For people who own such lowers it is important to know which it was transferred as before building a pistol out of said lower. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't actually. Unless there's some CA state law. Again: http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png TR1985 is wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it sounds like I need to dig out my paperwork and check how they were marked at transfer, just to be sure. It's been so long since I bought them I don't remember what we did. You don't actually. Unless there's some CA state law. Again: http://i.imgur.com/rbQeVLu.png TR1985 is wrong. Alrighty then, thanks for the help. Now to pick out an upper and delve into the whole 300 blk thing, which I promised myself I wasn't going to do.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:02:56 PM EDT
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The stamp will take close to a year to get, and with the brace you're not on an NFA list…. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Build one around this http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZeFqNBQizfkeRYaRXuCWUHzrC_NywtRh6SDeqp54FeA-UV1_b9w If I could afford that, I would just get my stamp. The stamp will take close to a year to get, and with the brace you're not on an NFA list…. My 2 took 95 days from date of submission on eForms to approval including the .gov shutdown. If you have a Trust it is the best way right now to get a Form 1. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:03:47 PM EDT
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AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives. |
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Posted: 12/8/2013 5:04:01 PM EDT
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Does the sig brace compare to a legit stock'd SBR? Yes, absolutely. My new baby. 
To me, I'd rather have pistol than SBR. No wait. No paperwork to leave state. Same advantages carry-wise as a regular handgun. Not to mention, not all states (like mine) allow SBRs. |
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