357 magnum, 158gr jsp for black bear?

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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:44:26 PM EDT

Would that be anout the minimum?

Posted: 10/27/2013 2:46:13 PM EDT

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Should work for hunting but I would want something bigger for SD.

Posted: 10/27/2013 2:51:35 PM EDT

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Didn't I just do this thread?

Posted: 10/27/2013 2:55:38 PM EDT

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Yeah, should be noisy enough to scare most bears away.

Posted: 10/27/2013 2:56:37 PM EDT

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Rifle or Revolver?

Posted: 10/27/2013 3:21:23 PM EDT

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I'd sy you're fine against black bears if you want to kill it. If I wanted to stop the bear, I'd step up to .44. I have no science to back this up.

Posted: 10/27/2013 3:23:26 PM EDT

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I'd think a 180 gr hard cast lead would penetrate better.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:07:18 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:08:44 PM EDT

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Maybe for a headshot.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:09:59 PM EDT

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Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't really have to worry about bears, but isn't penetration more of a concern than expansion when it comes to bears?

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:11:25 PM EDT

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Your doing it wrong! All you need is a small bag of garbage, throw it at the bear and problem solved, carry on about your business. They also like peanut butter and jelly sammiches. Friends foreva!

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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:12:18 PM EDT

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This is my way of thinking, personally.

It can be a long trip through a bear to get to his vitals.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:13:48 PM EDT

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In before the people who have never been hunting a day in their life.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:15:40 PM EDT

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I've never shot a bear and have no desire to, but, yeah, this.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:16:38 PM EDT

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I would think that would be the bear minimum

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:17:39 PM EDT

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I dreamed the other night that I had to defend myself against an angry black bear with only my G17.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:18:22 PM EDT

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I had a book about handgun hunting written in the 70s when I was a kid and it seemed like .357 was the caliber of choice for black bear back then, .44mag was considered overkill.

Black bear usually aren't all that big. All that said I think I'd choose a .45colt if I thought it likely I'd have to shoot a black bear with a handgun that day, rather than .357.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:18:47 PM EDT

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173 gr Keith SWC hard cast is what you want. Better have a real 357 magnum with a 6"+ barrel to launch a full power load.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:19:40 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:20:16 PM EDT

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Black bears here in southern AL go about 350lbs max. 357 Hardcast out of a rifle with 16 inch barrel wouldnt be to bad but would rather have a 44.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:22:22 PM EDT

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Someone did.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:23:07 PM EDT

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Yep. Buffalo bore please.

Posted: 10/27/2013 4:24:15 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/27/2013 6:23:11 PM EDT

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No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.

Posted: 10/28/2013 7:47:04 PM EDT

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Got some

looks in NE Pa when I showed up with a Ruger Redhawk in 44 Magnum. Backup rifle was a Marlin 1984 in 44 Mag. State record was around 690 pounds, so maybe the other guy who pumped 3 rounds of 7-08 into "my" bear did me a favor.

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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:50:33 PM EDT

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For average black bears a .357 with some heavy buffalo bore loads should work out fine. If in doubt upgrade to one of the BIG N SCARY revolvers like a 44mag or a .454 casull.

Posted: 10/29/2013 3:35:07 AM EDT

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everybody knows its 22 for grizzly. shot placement

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/LandOwner/misc/Grizley1.html

Posted: 10/29/2013 3:43:54 AM EDT

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No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.

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No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.

Manitoba so it's a rifle then? You will be fine. Black bears are not that tough to kill. Blood trial usually sucks though.