SOCIALIST teacher from Kalifornistan infecting TEXAS!!!

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Posted: 11/14/2002 8:48:31 AM EDT

I sent her this, and I even quoted parts of it in an argument last night:
"Rights vs. Wishes"
[url]http://tampatrib.com/nationworldnews/MGA5R8XDI6D.html[/url]

her response:

You dont give up do you???? I didnt totally disagree with you last night, but I also didnt agree with all you said either.....

in an ideal world..yes..these things might work...but unfortunately we dont live like that....if we didnt help those less fortunate than us, we would be a third world country with children starving to death..and have chaos with people stealing even more than they already do, in order to survive....

i dont disagree with Walter Williams (funny how everything you said to me last night were his words not yours) but it isnt possible...the Bible also says to obey the goverment leaders in authority. We are lucky enough to be able to vote for our congressional leaders, therefore we do what they vote for. If your canditate doesnt win, then that is the way it is....so majority rules. There have to be rules....if you dont like it, go somewhere else....that's what I say....

The US isnt perfect, neither am I, and neither are you, but we have to live together anyway....so for now, that is the way it is...if you dont like it, run for President or Congress LOL

oh yeah..the US is supposed to be a land of opportunity....with opportunities to have decent housing and education...and the possiblility of coming out of the poor and make something of ourselves.....a place where people will want to come..that's what makes us different from the rest of the world...again, it isnt perfect...but I wouldnt want to live anywhere else....

I respect your opinions, but I dont have to agree with them. And I am not gonna waste my time and energy debating issues with you. I am done with this topic

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How should I respond?? I was thinking along the lines of the Bible statement and the "obeying govt leaders in authority"....so, how about Hitler???

Posted: 11/14/2002 9:31:17 AM EDT

[#1]

You should tell her that people are usually poor because they are either stupid or overwhelmingly lazy.

Their conditions generally are the result of a long line of bad decisions.

Oh yeah, don't miss the opportunity to ding her on her awful grammar and mis-punctuation. There is no excuse for that sort of laziness.

Posted: 11/14/2002 9:36:49 AM EDT

[#2]

We're called to obey [b][u]authority[/u][/b], not POWER. Government has immense power, but ver little (if any) legitimate [i]authority[/i].

Just because they're called "The Authorities" doesn't make them so.

Posted: 11/14/2002 9:41:37 AM EDT

[#3]

She actually thinks that poor kids are dumb because they cannot get a good education like the richer areas do. I told her that is BS!!! They are dumb by CHOICE. I know many rich people who go to expensive schools and they are DUMB, by choice. If my kid goes to a better school than the poorer kids, that is okay with me since I spend MORE tax dollars than they do!!!

Posted: 11/14/2002 10:03:45 AM EDT

[#4]

You should tell her that people are usually poor because they are either stupid or overwhelmingly lazy.

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I've seen so many stupid people who make decent livings that I have to think it is mostly the latter.

Posted: 11/14/2002 10:41:29 AM EDT

[#5]

BWAHAHAHA, she is still fixated on "The government is the answer to all the problems."

oh yeah..the US is supposed to be a land of opportunity....with opportunities to have decent housing and education...and the possiblility of coming out of the poor and make something of ourselves.....a place where people will want to come..that's what makes us different from the rest of the world...again, it isnt perfect...but I wouldnt want to live anywhere else....

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In this, she is exactly right. However, the answer to the problem is NOT more government programs. The answer is to inform the people about which opportunities are available to them.
In most things I have seen, the problem is of ignorance about personal abilities and which program is better. If the people knew about the programs available to them, nobody would be asking the government for anything.
And no, her assertion about "We'd be a third world country" is wrong. The richest 5 percent of the population would carry the load quite well. But the goal is to have everybody contributing to the maximum of their ability and potential.
That just does not happen when nobody has a vested interest in their success. When the instructors don't gain anything but a paycheck by the teaching, where is the incentive? When the students know they will be taken care of regardless of their performance, where is the incentive?
But when person A is being taught by person B to be self sufficient and take bold risks in pursuit of success, and person B stands to gain from person A's subsequent actions, do you think either of them are going to overlook anything? Do you think person B is going to deliberately mislead and harm person A's studies, and therefore, success? This is the nature of capitalism.
This is not a perfect world. This is the world where self interest works to the benefit of all.
None of it involves the government. Government is a nonentity in this equation.
And THAT scares the shit out of liberals, who use the government to do their bidding, and the government itself, who will be out of a job.
Wait, maybe...they should become instructors, or learn under an instructor?

Posted: 11/14/2002 10:56:25 AM EDT

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Ask her out on a date, get her drunk,
Screw in a public place and leave her.

Posted: 11/14/2002 11:44:30 AM EDT

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Quoted:
BWAHAHAHA, she is still fixated on "The government is the answer to all the problems."

oh yeah..the US is supposed to be a land of opportunity....with opportunities to have decent housing and education...and the possiblility of coming out of the poor and make something of ourselves.....a place where people will want to come..that's what makes us different from the rest of the world...again, it isnt perfect...but I wouldnt want to live anywhere else....

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In this, she is exactly right.

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Yeah, it is the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, but it should not be at the TAXPAYERS' expense!!!
ie: welfare & free education

Posted: 11/14/2002 11:59:52 AM EDT

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I forgot to mention that she grew up in Kalifornistan.

I grew up there too, but I was not mentally affected by the socialist agenda.

Posted: 11/14/2002 12:31:09 PM EDT

[#9]

Be wary of the "big government" solution. Yes, we vote for representatives, but exactly when was the last time you got to vote for a bureaucrat? Bureaucrats write laws far more restrictive that the elected representatives intend. Exmaples include BATFs gun rulings and records keeping (forbiden by law). Other things like auto smog laws and 1.5 gallon toilets are written by bureaucrats, not elected representatives. Your representatives will NEVER go against the bureaucrats because they depend on the bureaucrats to implement the rep's pet projects.

To paraphrase a wise person "the government that can give you everything you want, can also take everything you have" (life and liberty)